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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2022 10:11:32 GMT -5
Wanted to start this so we could talk upcoming draft that's only a few days after finals.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2022 10:12:43 GMT -5
So who do people like in the second round?
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Post by nattydreadsox on Jun 2, 2022 10:40:41 GMT -5
We seem to do well with Williams's.
Jaylin (Arkansas) -- might be gone earlier
Alondes (Wake Forest) -- My favorite
Jalen (Santa Clara) -- also might be gone. huge wingspan.
Trevion (Purdue) -- Size, rebounding
I'd be happy if any of these fell to us.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 2, 2022 11:00:09 GMT -5
So who do people like in the second round? Nzosa or Diabate. Since we don't have many picks and not a lot of playing time currently available either, I want to swing for raw potential homeruns. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2022 13:00:25 GMT -5
I'm seeing Jaylin, Jalen, Diabate as unlikely available given current rankings, more like 1st round early second guys.
Nzosa if he's willing to stay overseas is very good.
Alondes might be my favorite right now out of the bunch. Can't shoot, yet slasher, passer, rebounder, defender that has size to be switchable.
Trevion after a quick read I can't endorse. It's like my only requirement be good on D. Unless the scouting report I read was just wrong.
I'd prefer ready to play upper class guys or upside euro guys you can stash. There just won't be many minutes to develop raw players unless they agree to spend the year in the G league.
Anyone have a list of the best defenders in this class?
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Post by nomar on Jun 3, 2022 9:33:59 GMT -5
JD Davison, Minott, or Seabron would be upside picks if they fall. Both need to fix their jumpers though.
Jordan Hall is interesting too from a size and passing perspective alone. But idk how he only shot 42% from 2 at his size at St Joes and a 98 ORtg in the A10 is not good.
Mohammed and Watson could be high ceiling buy low types.
Tyrese Martin from UConn is an under the radar player I like and have watched a lot of.
the athletic rim runner centers will be gone by the Celtics pick.
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Post by cdj on Jun 3, 2022 13:40:13 GMT -5
Khalifa Diop, stash
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 5, 2022 10:21:49 GMT -5
I barely had time to look over this year's guys, wasn't the draft much later last year?
From last year two guys I liked are now in, Ariel Hukporti and Johnny Juzang. Juzang might break my rule about D, I just can't turndown that shooting and dribbling out of a 6'6" SG with a 6'11" wingspan. I'd gamble our culture, team and coaches can make him average to better. Yet he certainly needs to improve effort and technique on D. Would hope it's just top scorer on team, saving engery for offense crap.
Hukporti at age 19 in Australian league put up per 36 minutes 17.1 points, 11.7 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 1.3 steals and 3.2 blocks. Has a nice looking shot that likely extends to 3 point range down the road and he can dribble darn well for a guy his size. Needs a few more years to fully develop. Yet don't mind me, I love centers like him. Projected to go undrafted, I'd give him a two way contract and stick him in the g league for two years if that actually happens.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 16, 2022 12:35:08 GMT -5
Andrew Nembhard is currently projected to go around our pick, though some reports show him rising. I'd have a hard time turning him down, looks like a late first to early second guy to me. Even his athletic numbers aren't bad. The NBA is horrible at overlooking seniors for upside.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 17, 2022 14:41:36 GMT -5
If Trevion Williams is there at 53, that’s a good pick. He was in the 79th percentile defensively, which basically means he’ll probably be slightly below average in an NBA drop scheme.
But man is he a hub offensively. Sam Vecenie said coaches told him Williams was the best passer in the big ten. Clearly Brad wants the ball in skilled players’ hands, thus the trades for Al and Derrick White. They’ve already worked out Trevion.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 17, 2022 15:47:47 GMT -5
You want an upside big, I'm seeing mocks with Michael Foster Jr. being available. I don't understand why, unless he has warning signs. Fairly bad combine numbers, yet his G league tape makes him look like Randle. He's fairly close to Trevion Williams testing wise, yet on tape he's five times the athlete. He looks more lottery pick than end of second round. This draft is confusing me without a ton of time to scout guys. Foster just has massive upside, few bigs have the ability to do everything he can. Filled the stat sheets at 18 years old in the G league. I'd trade up for him or try and buy a pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 17, 2022 17:51:36 GMT -5
The most anti Celtics pick, yet I'm impressed with Scotty Pippen Jr. The way he gets to the rim and finishes, with all those FTs. He'd fit right in with his bad TOs. Not likely because even though he gets a bunch of steals, he'd get exposed on D. Just a crazy fun little PG to watch, he's just so creative and good in traffic with his dribble and we could certainly use that.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 18, 2022 10:12:38 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be opposed to taking a shot on Joe Ingles with the mid level. Bad athlete who will probably be worse after injury. But elite defensive instincts made him an above average defender.
Fits in very well offensively. At his best, a really good secondary playmaker who can run pick and roll. One of the best corner 3pt shooters in the league.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 18, 2022 10:21:38 GMT -5
You want an upside big, I'm seeing mocks with Michael Foster Jr. being available. I don't understand why, unless he has warning signs. Fairly bad combine numbers, yet his G league tape makes him look like Randle. He's fairly close to Trevion Williams testing wise, yet on tape he's five times the athlete. He looks more lottery pick than end of second round. This draft is confusing me without a ton of time to scout guys. Foster just has massive upside, few bigs have the ability to do everything he can. Filled the stat sheets at 18 years old in the G league. I'd trade up for him or try and buy a pick. After reading this, I watched Foster. I don’t necessarily see the same upside that you do. Decent shooter. I agree that he’s more athletic than Trevion Williams, but he’s also significantly smaller framed. Pretty good roll man but he also looked like the biggest and most athletic big on the court at times, and in the league he’s going to be smaller and more like a slightly above average athlete. It’s so hard finding NBA players in the late second round! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2022 11:21:26 GMT -5
You want an upside big, I'm seeing mocks with Michael Foster Jr. being available. I don't understand why, unless he has warning signs. Fairly bad combine numbers, yet his G league tape makes him look like Randle. He's fairly close to Trevion Williams testing wise, yet on tape he's five times the athlete. He looks more lottery pick than end of second round. This draft is confusing me without a ton of time to scout guys. Foster just has massive upside, few bigs have the ability to do everything he can. Filled the stat sheets at 18 years old in the G league. I'd trade up for him or try and buy a pick. After reading this, I watched Foster. I don’t necessarily see the same upside that you do. Decent shooter. I agree that he’s more athletic than Trevion Williams, but he’s also significantly smaller framed. Pretty good roll man but he also looked like the biggest and most athletic big on the court at times, and in the league he’s going to be smaller and more like a slightly above average athlete. It’s so hard finding NBA players in the late second round! Williams looks so unathletic to me that he couldn't come close to playing for the Celtics. Slowest lane agility and shuttle run at combine, third worst sprint time. He looks so much worse than even Kofi Cockburn. He looks out of shape. I'm a huge fan of low post scoring, yet I've seen so many better players over the years do nothing. I have Williams as a summer league invite and maybe 2 way contract guy. See if you can pull a Perk or Grant Williams making him a better athlete. As for Foster maybe I'm over hyping him, I haven't studied the top of the draft and won't given we have no pick. Yet 9th overall prospect of 2021 recruiting class. At 18 in g league he put up 14.8 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2 assists, .8 steals and 2.2 blocks per game. What would he have done in College? Only a few teams in College are better than your average G league team. There's a better level of athletes and bigs in the G-league than college. I'm just very impressed by an 18 year old filling the stat sheet in the g league like he did. Showing the skills to score, rebound, pass, shoot, dribble and defend like he did. I likely have to be missing something given the rankings I'm seeing. It's basically if I'm looking for the perfect upside guy to pair with Robert Williams, Foster looks like that guy potential down the road. He checks all the boxes. |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 18, 2022 17:24:48 GMT -5
After reading this, I watched Foster. I don’t necessarily see the same upside that you do. Decent shooter. I agree that he’s more athletic than Trevion Williams, but he’s also significantly smaller framed. Pretty good roll man but he also looked like the biggest and most athletic big on the court at times, and in the league he’s going to be smaller and more like a slightly above average athlete. It’s so hard finding NBA players in the late second round! Williams looks so unathletic to me that he couldn't come close to playing for the Celtics. Slowest lane agility and shuttle run at combine, third worst sprint time. He looks so much worse than even Kofi Cockburn. He looks out of shape. I'm a huge fan of low post scoring, yet I've seen so many better players over the years do nothing. I have Williams as a summer league invite and maybe 2 way contract guy. See if you can pull a Perk or Grant Williams making him a better athlete. As for Foster maybe I'm over hyping him, I haven't studied the top of the draft and won't given we have no pick. Yet 9th overall prospect of 2021 recruiting class. At 18 in g league he put up 14.8 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2 assists, .8 steals and 2.2 blocks per game. What would he have done in College? Only a few teams in College are better than your average G league team. There's a better level of athletes and bigs in the G-league than college. I'm just very impressed by an 18 year old filling the stat sheet in the g league like he did. Showing the skills to score, rebound, pass, shoot, dribble and defend like he did. I likely have to be missing something given the rankings I'm seeing. It's basically if I'm looking for the perfect upside guy to pair with Robert Williams, Foster looks like that guy potential down the road. He checks all the boxes. Wow I had no idea Williams’ agility scores were so bad. Yeesh. That’s too bad, he is such a savant as a passer. |
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 19, 2022 1:10:55 GMT -5
Draft aside, never know where the Celtics are going.
The only expiring contracts that would seem to help the Celtics is Bradley Beal and LeBron James.
I believe you could guarantee Horford's contract and trade Smart to match salaries on both players.
LeBron interestingly would fit well on this team, doubt the Lakers would trade him here and rebuild. The Wizards basically have to trade Beal.
John Wall is a option, but can't trust him to stay healthy and you could get him for nothing. PG flyer I suppose. Wouldn't want him on his salary. Don't consider him a option for me.
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Post by cdj on Jun 19, 2022 15:07:23 GMT -5
Lebron would be kinda hilarious and I could see him steering his way here
I’d say 2% of it happening but the 2% makes me chuckle
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 19, 2022 20:18:56 GMT -5
Lebron would be kinda hilarious and I could see him steering his way here I’d say 2% of it happening but the 2% makes me chuckle It's a interesting concept. He's been on winning teams, he's already forcing his way out of LA. He's still putting up great stats on more limited minutes. The Celtics could use another starter, even on limited minutes. I like the idea of LeBron teaching Tatum how to win. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 20, 2022 7:46:02 GMT -5
The key questions (for me) this offseason are:
1. Does management want to increase the chance that this team can win in this window (which would likely mean keeping the top 6 or 7 players as is and add to the bench) or do they want to extend the window (which could mean larger shake-ups to improve on the top 3-7 supporting Tatum/Brown)?
2. How much is ownership willing to spend? Aside from players, the biggest assets Boston has to improve the team are the trade exceptions and the MLE. Both of these would push Boston further into the tax.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 20, 2022 18:59:02 GMT -5
I really don’t like the idea of Bradley Beal on this team. He is a very similar player to Tatum. Except he’s smaller, older, a worse shooter, and a below average defender.
So yeah, if you trade Jaylen or your whole team to Washington and then pay Bradley Beal 40+ million a year, you get yourself another guy who loves to pound the air out of the ball and take 28 ft stepbacks with 3 seconds on the shot clock. Yikes.
I have read numerous times on these boards and continue to hear local media say that Boston really needs another shooter. That has been a refrain since 2019, after which the Celtics drafted Nesmith while Tyrese Maxey was on the board.
Here’s a fun fact for you. Jayson Tatum made a higher percentage of his threes than Steph Curry in the Finals.
Here’s another fun fact for you. Boston shot significantly better from three than Golden State did in the finals.
This team has plenty of shooting, because they have Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Those guys are good at shooting a basketball. They are not good at generating offense for others or good shots for themselves. Boston just lost the finals because they couldn’t effing dribble or pass the ball, and it’s been the same problem for 4 years.
Boston needs play creation way more than they need shooting. Can we all agree that Boston’s biggest problem is that they cannot generate offense out of the half court?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2022 21:08:48 GMT -5
I'm not trading Brown for Beal, it's why I said request a trade to give us leverage. Theis, White, Grant and Nesmith or something like that, with two picks and a pick swap.
I'd say adding another Tatum like guy is the point, another guy that can dribble, create offense and score. Insert that into Imes ball movement offense. Right now it's Brown on one side and Tatum on the other. Beal is the bridge that allows you two guys on one side to play together, while the third guy provides floor spacing. Allowing things like pick and roll with Tatum/Beal, Tatum/Brown and Beal/Brown. That's lethal compared to Smart doing it.
Three point shooting comes and goes, live by the three die by the three. Teams going to double and pack the paint if it means leaving Beal wide open versus Horford, Grant or White? If they do you've added much more dribbling and shot create ability to exploit it with ball movement. Which is exactly what this team needs.
Is this likely? Nope. It's what I'd like to see if you can make it happen and that likely requires Beal demanding a trade to Celtics so there's no bidding war. Those get crazy, see Holiday. Banking on the Tatum and Beal relationship
Same applies for LeBron of course, I just don't see the Lakers moving him and if they did we aren't likely unless he demands to play here, which seems highly unlikely.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 21, 2022 6:11:26 GMT -5
I'm not trading Brown for Beal, it's why I said request a trade to give us leverage. Theis, White, Grant and Nesmith or something like that, with two picks and a pick swap. I'd say adding another Tatum like guy is the point, another guy that can dribble, create offense and score. Insert that into Imes ball movement offense. Right now it's Brown on one side and Tatum on the other. Beal is the bridge that allows you two guys on one side to play together, while the third guy provides floor spacing. Allowing things like pick and roll with Tatum/Beal, Tatum/Brown and Beal/Brown. That's lethal compared to Smart doing it. Three point shooting comes and goes, live by the three die by the three. Teams going to double and pack the paint if it means leaving Beal wide open versus Horford, Grant or White? If they do you've added much more dribbling and shot create ability to exploit it with ball movement. Which is exactly what this team needs. Is this likely? Nope. It's what I'd like to see if you can make it happen and that likely requires Beal demanding a trade to Celtics so there's no bidding war. Those get crazy, see Holiday. Banking on the Tatum and Beal relationship Same applies for LeBron of course, I just don't see the Lakers moving him and if they did we aren't likely unless he demands to play here, which seems highly unlikely. Are you suggesting that Bradley Beal and Jayson Tatum’s’ shared strengths are dribbling and offensive creation? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2022 8:17:30 GMT -5
So, I think we need two things: a wing and a big. What Horford has done is admirable for someone his age, but he's old as f*ck and RWIII also has injury concerns. So we need a third "starter". There are 3 guys that come to mind given age and well, being damn good at basketball: Myles Turner, John Collins and Mo Bamba. Not sure any of them is attainable, but those are my targets.
As for a wing, well my dream scenario is Luguentz Dort. I love him. He's the canadian version of Marcus Smart. Harrison Barnes would also make some sense or even Eric Gordon, but now we're moving into really expensive territory. But that's it. Get those pieces and let's jam.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2022 8:57:54 GMT -5
According to Stevens, Boston has "the okay to do whatever they need to do" from ownership. Hopefully, that means they are willing to go well into the tax (on the right players, of course).
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