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Post by philip on Jun 29, 2022 22:55:03 GMT -5
Good win. Cordero better option than Dalbec on daily basis. Refchnider deserves more playing time. Bullpen needs internal additions from Worcester. Bring up Bello and have him throw his best 2 pitches. I’m sure he is better than anyone on the big team. German and Cutter should be up too.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 29, 2022 23:33:20 GMT -5
Good win. Just needed to not get swept. The bullpen can be downright scary. Still don't know why Schreiber can't get 9th inning work. Good thing Strahm had just enough left to survive. They almost blew it again. That bullpen, even with the internal reinforcements, can stand to have some external improvement as well. Yes, if healthy, Whitlock helps, but I think they need an experienced closer who is still effective, somebody who can handle the pressure of trying to hold a one run lead in NY, Toronto, TB, or Houston. I do think Bloom will get somebody but I think it'll be along the lines of a Robles type acquisition, somebody under the radar.
I'm still not sure of what to make with Franchy, if he can be Papi-lite and blossom into a 20 HR - 25 HR guy who can hit enough to be an everyday player, whether it's at 1b or RF, if he's good enough to not have the Red Sox have to go trade for an experienced 1b. Nights like tonight make you think it's possible. He's closer to that guy but not yet there. It'll be interesting to see what he does over the next month and if Bloom feels compelled to make a deal now that they can pretty much rule out getting any contributions from the injured Tristan Casas who I was hoping would be up by July making an impact.
Meanwhile Pivetta continues to pitch like an ace. The guy they got now is plenty good enough to start Game 1 of a post-season. Hope it stays that way.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 29, 2022 23:38:22 GMT -5
Verdugo had +50.5% WPA in this game. Cordero had +35.9. That's two players of the game. Would you trade Cordero straight up for Benintendi? Franchy's now 9/18, 4 DB, 3 BB in his last 6 G, starting with the Tigers series.
.216 / .296 / .368 before .252 / .331 / .413 now
Season so far, wRC+
75 in 49 PA (through 5/18) 209 in 32 PA (through 5/29) 29 in 61 PA (up to this streak).
So in terms of results
110 PA @ 49 wRC+ 53 PA @ 232
---- 109
I may look at Stacast tomorrow ...
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 30, 2022 0:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by cba82 on Jun 30, 2022 5:21:23 GMT -5
The Blue Jays are a very unlikable team. They carry themselves with a swagger that they have not earned.
And don’t get me started on their fake fans.
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Post by redsox43 on Jun 30, 2022 5:29:36 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand why the Sox players didn't want to vaccinate before, but now will by September.
For the young players like Duran and Houck, I pretty much see it as leverage to get some extra back door bonus to give them incentive to get the shot.
With Sale, he hasn't been around the team for very long the past 2 years. He hasn't really needed to be asked yet.
If I was Duran and Houck making the minimum salary, dollars would be my main goal too.
"You want me to get the shot that I don't necessarily believe in? Pay me."
I think the Sox would rather pay to have them get the vaccine versus the bad publicity, too.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 30, 2022 6:15:08 GMT -5
Hanging on by a thread. Toronto at home versus the Sox is a matchup favoring Toronto heavily. Winning only one was probably best outcome. Wait til the Sox have Sale and Eovaldi back in the rotation and Whitlock closing again. Out go the lights for the Canadian team.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 30, 2022 6:21:29 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand why the Sox players didn't want to vaccinate before, but now will by September. For the young players like Duran and Houck, I pretty much see it as leverage to get some extra back door bonus to give them incentive to get the shot. With Sale, he hasn't been around the team for very long the past 2 years. He hasn't really needed to be asked yet. If I was Duran and Houck making the minimum salary, dollars would be my main goal too. "You want me to get the shot that I don't necessarily believe in? Pay me." I think the Sox would rather pay to have them get the vaccine versus the bad publicity, too. I don't believe that. The particular players took a 'personal' stance. There was a lot of backlash when the bullpen imploded. I suspect that those players will or have reconsidered of their own volition.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 30, 2022 6:24:03 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand why the Sox players didn't want to vaccinate before, but now will by September. For the young players like Duran and Houck, I pretty much see it as leverage to get some extra back door bonus to give them incentive to get the shot. With Sale, he hasn't been around the team for very long the past 2 years. He hasn't really needed to be asked yet. If I was Duran and Houck making the minimum salary, dollars would be my main goal too. "You want me to get the shot that I don't necessarily believe in? Pay me." I think the Sox would rather pay to have them get the vaccine versus the bad publicity, too. Well, that and the potential for myocarditis, which is now a documented potential side effect and has shown up in a statistically significant percentage of men aged 15-30 (see the recent medical paper in Nature.) Oh, and which could only ruin one’s career and cause life-long health problems if one has a predisposition for it But sure, leverage. Bottom line: we don’t know Houck and Duran’s reasons or what their physicians suggested. No point denigrating them. They’re the ones who have to live with it.
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Post by jmei on Jun 30, 2022 6:36:05 GMT -5
As a reminder, let’s not discuss the merits of the COVID vaccines, just how it affects play on the field. Thanks.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 30, 2022 6:52:57 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand why the Sox players didn't want to vaccinate before, but now will by September. For the young players like Duran and Houck, I pretty much see it as leverage to get some extra back door bonus to give them incentive to get the shot. With Sale, he hasn't been around the team for very long the past 2 years. He hasn't really needed to be asked yet. If I was Duran and Houck making the minimum salary, dollars would be my main goal too. "You want me to get the shot that I don't necessarily believe in? Pay me." I think the Sox would rather pay to have them get the vaccine versus the bad publicity, too. Zero chance of this.
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Post by costpet on Jun 30, 2022 7:51:38 GMT -5
That decision probably cost them a game. I predict Houck gets booed the next time he pitches in Fenway. I wonder how he will react to that. Booed at home. Deserved.
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Post by cdj on Jun 30, 2022 8:40:52 GMT -5
I don’t think he will be booed
He might have been if they lost last night though
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 30, 2022 9:33:41 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't get booed, even just from a pragmatic perspective I don't think that does anything good for anyone.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2022 9:47:37 GMT -5
As a reminder, let’s not discuss the merits of the COVID vaccines, just how it affects play on the field. Thanks. How do you do that when people call players selfish for making personal health decisions? Over and over and over and over again.
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Post by manfred on Jun 30, 2022 10:21:53 GMT -5
As a reminder, let’s not discuss the merits of the COVID vaccines, just how it affects play on the field. Thanks. How do you do that when people call players selfish for making personal health decisions? Over and over and over and over again. Dock Ellis taking acid was technically a “personal health” decision, too. It’s just one that worked out better.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 30, 2022 10:27:10 GMT -5
I really like Franchy being a part of this team. But there seems to be a bit of a divergence between what we hear DOB and Youk (last night for example) describing the power show he puts on in batting practice and his actual results - homering in every 50 ABs or so when the games begin. I know he consistently is among the leaders in hard hit balls. Hoping that bodes well for an uptick in bombs for the 2nd half.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 30, 2022 10:38:30 GMT -5
Huh. Apparently there's been a big turnaround in some of the defensive stats. Devers, above average for most of the season, is back to his customary negative defensive numbers, -2 OAA and -3 DRS. (Yet is still leading the league in WAR, lol.) But Xander is going in the opposite direction, and is having possibly the best defensive season of his career: +2 OAA, and positive by DRS and UZR as well. Story, meanwhile, is settling in as an elite defensive second baseman. If he can keep that up he'll be worth his contract, even if he continues as a mediocre offensive player.
I've been travelling and haven't seen any of the games in the last two weeks so have no eye test to compare to, but the stat trends are pretty strong.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 30, 2022 10:48:08 GMT -5
Speaking of power. You might be surprised to know of the 13 Sox hitters who have homered - who is number 2 and number 4 for HR/AB.
Refsynder (20.5) and Arroyo (24.5).
Other notables: #1 Devers (17.6) #3 Story (21.9) #5 JD (32.4 !) #8 X (45.5 !), Verdugo slightly better, Franchy slightly worse
Power guys need to show more power.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 30, 2022 10:56:39 GMT -5
CAN WE GET THE K ZONE NESN I applaud NESN for going away from the zone, if that's what they're doing. All it does is make TV viewers crazy.
If a pitch is close enough that you can't tell for sure it's a strike without the k-zone, even with a replay, then isn't it too close to pop a blood vessel about?
Yell at the ump, like you would at the ballpark (where there's no k-zone or even replay) and move on to the next pitch, like you would at the ballpark.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 30, 2022 11:06:24 GMT -5
Funny, the way the Jays are bitching, you'd think it would be they that were 2-7 so far this year against the Red Sox. I don't know if it's the manager or the players (if the latter, then it's still the manager because he should be able to control them) but they consistently underperform and seem to always start sh*t like this at the dumbest times. The Sox had a two-week stretch when Raffy and Xander got hit just about every game and AC kept them from turning it into a distraction. This only reinforces my belief that AC is our biggest ace in the hole compared to our opponents.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 30, 2022 11:13:13 GMT -5
And their line-up now in prime position for the 9th. Dammit. Bunting in front of JBJ is a mistake in a tight game unless you're then having JBJ bunt with the man on 3rd (giving up two outs for a single run). good call...a squeeze bunt attempt with jackie would have made that sequence more acceptable Do that every inning and you've scored 9 runs...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 30, 2022 11:34:21 GMT -5
Verdugo had +50.5% WPA in this game. Cordero had +35.9. That's two players of the game. Would you trade Cordero straight up for Benintendi? Franchy's now 9/18, 4 DB, 3 BB in his last 6 G, starting with the Tigers series.
.216 / .296 / .368 before .252 / .331 / .413 now
Season so far, wRC+
75 in 49 PA (through 5/18) 209 in 32 PA (through 5/29) 29 in 61 PA (up to this streak).
So in terms of results
110 PA @ 49 wRC+ 53 PA @ 232
---- 109
I may look at Stacast tomorrow ...
Good stuff.
Very Dalbeckian.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jun 30, 2022 11:40:12 GMT -5
How do you do that when people call players selfish for making personal health decisions? Over and over and over and over again. Dock Ellis taking acid was technically a “personal health” decision, too. It’s just one that worked out better. Vida Blue, 24-8, 1.82 in 1971. Just sayin'...
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 30, 2022 11:51:24 GMT -5
Franchy + Winckowski now .1 WAR behind Benintendi
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