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7/1-7/3 Red Sox @ Cubs Series Thread
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Post by philip on Jul 3, 2022 19:46:36 GMT -5
Great win! Anyone have any info on Whitlock and eovaldi’s return . I think sale is getting close. Bello is ready . Mata could be on the roster after Allstar break with the way he is pitching.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 3, 2022 19:47:01 GMT -5
Does Theo ever get criticism for leaving the cupboards bare in Chicago. ? Probably not. He is Teflon when it comes to criticism. Well, Theo DID break a 100 year curse with the Cubs, so that will buy him some goodwill(deservedly so). But he also drafted pretty well and they traded a ton of his guys for prospects recently(Darvish, Schwarber, Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Kimbrel, others?). So we will see how they did in terms of recovering talent for all those guys. True and he deserves accolades for that. But he was also put in good circumstances in both jobs. He has been as lucky as he was good. The mythology of him is greater than it should be.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 3, 2022 19:51:54 GMT -5
Well, Theo DID break a 100 year curse with the Cubs, so that will buy him some goodwill(deservedly so). But he also drafted pretty well and they traded a ton of his guys for prospects recently(Darvish, Schwarber, Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Kimbrel, others?). So we will see how they did in terms of recovering talent for all those guys. Theo is going to the HOF as a executive whenever he's done with baseball. He has a ton of flaws, but he took advantage of every broken rule in the past 3 CBA's to win win 3 different titles for 2 different organizations. He'll be known as the "curse breaker." He should get a hall pass from both the Sox and Cubs fans. I get that, but that isn't how I approach the Red Sox. The letters on the front of the jersey has all the value to me. All the players, managers, coaches are temporary additions to the legacy of the team.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 3, 2022 22:37:52 GMT -5
Looks like Big Fudge gets the start tmrw.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2022 23:15:17 GMT -5
Looks like Big Fudge gets the start tmrw. So at the moment Sale, Eovaldi, Whitlock, Hill, and Wacha are all unable to start.
Is it bad to have five injured starters?
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 4, 2022 0:59:29 GMT -5
Looks like Big Fudge gets the start tmrw. So at the moment Sale, Eovaldi, Whitlock, Hill, and Wacha are all unable to start.
Is it bad to have five injured starters?
4 of of our best 5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 4, 2022 12:50:35 GMT -5
I was at Wrigly once, early 90's, saw Harry Carey sing take me out the ballgame. I don't remember it being all that special either. The ivey was cool, but other than that....meh I was there a couple times around the same time. I thought the fan experience was great (especially for a 20-something kid who liked drinking beer at day games). The whole neighborhood was organically a Cubs playground, unlike the way that greater Fenway has evolved, which I find a bit contrived and controlled like a theme park. You could walk up to the window at game time at Wrigley and get a decent ticket (for the youngs, that was pretty much unheard of at Fenway before the pandemic in all but the worst seasons), enjoy a ballgame without caring who won, and then meander through the neighborhood postgame and find a place to eat (and carouse a little more). A much more casual outing than Fenway is for me (in part because I really care who wins).
Of course, I think Winck was talking more about the player experience, which includes a lot of stuff that we don't see and can't compare to other parks.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 4, 2022 12:55:34 GMT -5
Actually, yeah… he’s not an all-star. So when he reaches the point when his salary is too high, it is likely better to move on. Add: AV is remarkably consistent: Career OPS+ 106 OPS+ with Sox 106 OPS+ last season, his only full season 106 If his wOBA was matching his xwOBA, I think it would be a good time to sell on him. He’s more valuable to almost any other team. He could play RF almost anywhere else. I like him a lot and think he’s a good player, but we have Duran under control for longer and both are LF in Boston. I have a feeling we'll find out exactly how valuable he is in December...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 4, 2022 13:32:31 GMT -5
Dodged a bullet. Stallings has -0.7 bWAR this season and Christian is (ironically) experiencing a bit of a renaissance.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 5, 2022 0:10:06 GMT -5
While Seabold's velocity isn't great, he's got very good movement on the 4 seamer and especially the changeup. He's also got pretty good command, painting corners. I wouldn't write him off. Just hard to be a sustainable starter at that velocity. There's only one Kyle Hendricks these days. That's an extreme generalization. I just watched Cole Irvin of the Athletics pitch eight innings of shutdown baseball against the Blue Jays. He used top shelf command to set up and take out hitters with pitches in the upper 80s and low 90s. He's not the only one who does that either.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 5, 2022 1:40:44 GMT -5
Just hard to be a sustainable starter at that velocity. There's only one Kyle Hendricks these days. That's an extreme generalization. I just watched Cole Irvin of the Athletics pitch eight innings of shutdown baseball against the Blue Jays. He used top shelf command to set up and take out hitters with pitches in the upper 80s and low 90s. He's not the only one who does that either. My point was that it's a lot harder to succeed without velocity and it's hard to sustain success as a starter without it. You need to be a extreme command and control guy if that's the case. I'm not sure if Seabold is that type of guy either. I used one example, but their may be others like this. That doesn't mean that it's very common to see 90 mph starters around the league, however.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 5, 2022 1:54:51 GMT -5
Cole Irving is a guy that kind of proves my point also. A guy with a career ERA right around 4.5, pitching in the most pitcher friendly stadium in the big leagues. He's having a fine season so far, but I'm sure he's had good fortune with his success. He only strikes out 6 guys per nine innings. He's a filler dude for the A's rotation for now.
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Post by keninten on Jul 5, 2022 5:13:05 GMT -5
Cole Irving is a guy that kind of proves my point also. A guy with a career ERA right around 4.5, pitching in the most pitcher friendly stadium in the big leagues. He's having a fine season so far, but I'm sure he's had good fortune with his success. He only strikes out 6 guys per nine innings. He's a filler dude for the A's rotation for now. Greg Maddux
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 5, 2022 10:32:44 GMT -5
Cole Irving is a guy that kind of proves my point also. A guy with a career ERA right around 4.5, pitching in the most pitcher friendly stadium in the big leagues. He's having a fine season so far, but I'm sure he's had good fortune with his success. He only strikes out 6 guys per nine innings. He's a filler dude for the A's rotation for now. Greg Maddux Greg Maddux was not a soft tosser. FB 91-92, t94 in his prime when that was average to plus velo. I happened to live in Georgia for most of the 90s and had the pleasure of watching him every five days while HOFer Don Sutton marveled at him from the broadcast booth.
He also had some of the greatest command in the history of the game and was a master strategist who positioned his infielders and gave signs to his catcher as often as his catcher gave them to him, so it doesn't make sense to use him as an example.
But I've been saying for a while that one way to beat TTO is going to be a shift to emphasizing command and control in pitching prospects rather than drafting velo kids and trying to teach them to throw strikes. Hit your spots, reduce free passes, induce weak contact, launch angle be damned. At the plate, emphasize making solid contact and putting the ball in play over swinging for the fences on every pitch. If we've learned nothing over the past few games, even weak contact can find holes and it forces the defense to make plays and can lead to runs. On that last note, no more free swingers with no fixed position.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 5, 2022 13:16:03 GMT -5
Greg Maddux was not a soft tosser. FB 91-92, t94 in his prime when that was average to plus velo. I happened to live in Georgia for most of the 90s and had the pleasure of watching him every five days while HOFer Don Sutton marveled at him from the broadcast booth.
He was also had some of the greatest command in the history of the game and was a master strategist who positioned his infielders and gave signs to his catcher as often as his catcher gave them to him, so it doesn't make sense to use him as an example.
But I've been saying for a while that one way to beat TTO is going to be a shift to emphasizing command and control in pitching prospects rather than drafting velo kids and trying to teach them to throw strikes. Hit your spots, reduce free passes, induce weak contact, launch angle be damned. At the plate, emphasize making solid contact and putting the ball in play over swinging for the fences on every pitch. If we've learned nothing over the past few games, even weak contact can find holes and it forces the defense to make plays and can lead to runs. On that last note, no more free swingers with no fixed position.
To add, Greg Maddox is a extreme example of a control and command type guy. So is Cliff Lee if anyone wants to go there. Those two could put any pitch of any type, anywhere they want to.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2022 14:34:53 GMT -5
Rich Hill
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