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7/7-7/10 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Jul 8, 2022 21:50:14 GMT -5
Better than Robles?
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 8, 2022 21:56:08 GMT -5
He has been in a month + long slump.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 8, 2022 21:59:31 GMT -5
Ok I understand... Now if the Sox changed places with the Yankees stats and instead WE led mlb in runs scored, home runs, run differential, team ERA and were on pace to match or exceed the all time team seasonal win record, would we question how good the alt Sox were in that case? I think not. We would be reveling in our largess and scoffing at the poor Yankees. We are dragging tail...and in need of talent rejuvenation. Xander can opt out after this season and the Sox have not offered him a new contract. Rumors are scary that he could be gone. Where will we be next year if he is AWOL? Ok Story at .230 can easily replace X at .315 BA. We good.🥴 Apparently it's a requirement to pretend that the Yankees aren't that good because the truth can be tough to handle. They ARE that good. I was kind of in denial about the 2018 Red Sox because I couldnt figure out how a team with 3 catchers who can't hit .200, a 2b like Nunez, an error prone Raffy at 3b, the lame bat of JBJ, a rotation where Hector Velazquez and Brian Johnson were getting a bunch of starts and a pen with little middle relief were somehow winning every damn day. I couldnt believe they were that good. When they blew Game 3 of the Series, I figured, there it is...finally...the fatal flaw...and then the next day when it looked like the Series was turning toward LA the Sox exploded for 9 runs in the final 3 innings to steal Game 4. Well, by then, even I knew the Sox were going to win Game 5 and the Series. It was just their freaking year. The Yankees this year have the same feel. They don't remind me of the 98 Yankees which were an obvious juggernaut. I guess my point is looking at their roster they don’t scare you. Sure, all these guys are having incredible years but do you trust them to keep it up? Four guys in the lineup scare me. Martin Gonzalez has a 750 OPS, Matt Carpenter at 1200, Gleyber had no value three months ago. Aaron Hicks is still in the league apparently? The pitching is good for sure. You think this team is as good as the Astros and Dodgers juggernauts the last few years? That’s the pace they’re playing at
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Post by manfred on Jul 8, 2022 22:15:18 GMT -5
JBJ might be their top pitching prospect.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 8, 2022 22:19:05 GMT -5
I get that JBJ has probably reached the end, but riddle me this: what is the difference between JBJ and Verdugo? Only JBJ went into today with either an oWAR OR dWAR in the positives. Verdugo is a 0 oWAR, a -.2 dWAR. At least Jackie can field. About $8.4M, AAV would be the difference. Both are dead weight at this point, though given Verdugo's age, he may be able to right whatever it is that has sucked the pop out of his bat. Or maybe, like JBJ, he's a 4th OF at best on a winning team. Verdugo for Bennitendi might not be a bad trade at this point. I know Benni's only a rental, but he has a high OBP and would do just as well in LF as Verdugo. And KC would get a few years of an OF. Then, in the off-season, Bloom can sort out this OF, which at this point looks like Duran, a platoon of someone with Franchy and an outside option. It continues to be a weak spot, along with first base. Yeah, I mean its pretty wild we don’t even really have a real first baseman or right fielder. I’m not sure what Bloom has been waiting for.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 8, 2022 22:47:50 GMT -5
This isn’t a complaint, nor even a second guess but more of a, I don’t know, Strat-o-Matic Question: At least against righties, would you consider batting X 2nd ahead of Devers? Maybe even put Raffy 4 behind X and JDM? Since Xander is getting on a lot but not hitting with that much power, doesn’t he set the table for their best power guy? And… maybe he gets better pitches with Raffy behind him? Particularly makes sense if Duran is going to be the leadoff hitter long term, to go L, R, L, R
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 9, 2022 0:10:51 GMT -5
I would bat Vazquez 2nd right now
Duran Vazquez Devers Bogaerts JD Verdugo Story Franchy Dalbec
I can live with Bobby’s results at the 9 hitter
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2022 8:31:54 GMT -5
Apparently it's a requirement to pretend that the Yankees aren't that good because the truth can be tough to handle. They ARE that good. I was kind of in denial about the 2018 Red Sox because I couldnt figure out how a team with 3 catchers who can't hit .200, a 2b like Nunez, an error prone Raffy at 3b, the lame bat of JBJ, a rotation where Hector Velazquez and Brian Johnson were getting a bunch of starts and a pen with little middle relief were somehow winning every damn day. I couldnt believe they were that good. When they blew Game 3 of the Series, I figured, there it is...finally...the fatal flaw...and then the next day when it looked like the Series was turning toward LA the Sox exploded for 9 runs in the final 3 innings to steal Game 4. Well, by then, even I knew the Sox were going to win Game 5 and the Series. It was just their freaking year. The Yankees this year have the same feel. They don't remind me of the 98 Yankees which were an obvious juggernaut. I guess my point is looking at their roster they don’t scare you. Sure, all these guys are having incredible years but do you trust them to keep it up? Four guys in the lineup scare me. Martin Gonzalez has a 750 OPS, Matt Carpenter at 1200, Gleyber had no value three months ago. Aaron Hicks is still in the league apparently? The pitching is good for sure. You think this team is as good as the Astros and Dodgers juggernauts the last few years? That’s the pace they’re playing at No, it's not a "scary" roster which is why I've been comparing them to the 2018 Red Sox and saying that this year's Yankees team does not remind me of the 1998 Yankees, who were damn scary. When it's post-season time, it won't be Matt Carpenter or Marwin Gonzalez getting ABs. They'll have at least one new OF (wouldn't be surprised if it were Benintendi. I figure it's either him or Reynolds). But the ridiculous contributions they're getting out of Carpenter and Gonzalez and guys like that. Doesn't it remind you of another juggernaut that didn't resemble one on paper, but somehow played like one anyways? I mean, look at the 2018 stats of Vazquez, Swihart, and Leon. Eduardo Nunez anyone? Devers wasn't Devers back then. He even got demoted to the minors midseason that year. JBJ spent the first half hitting....like he is now. Brian Johnson and Hector Velazquez and even Steven Wright were highly effective when called upon. Do those guys scare anybody? They released their early season #3 hitter, Hanley Ramirez, who had no business batting 3rd. Hell, they even squeezed the last great AB by Brandon Phillips. Remember that? Cora was resting everybody, basically conceding the game, trailing 7-1 in the 8th, and the Red Sox decided to come back and rip out Atlanta's heart anyways? Just for the fun of it. So no, the Yankees don't remind me of their 1998 team or the 1961 team or the 1927 team, but they have had excellent pitching, and like the 2004 Red Sox, have been lucky that all five men have stayed healthy...as you might recall after Kim got hurt it opened up the spot for Arroyo and it was Arroyo, Wake, Lowe, Pedro, and Schilling every five days. The Yankees have that going on with Cole, Taillon, Severino, Cortes, and Montgomery. And the Yankees have been pretty damn airtight in the late innings between Holmes and King. Getting away from Chapman was big for them. I have a feeling the Yankees will wind up with Robertson as well to supplement their late inning relief. Stanton, Judge, and Rizzo form a good top 3 and suddenly Trevino is a big league catcher. A lot of things have broken just right for them. It just reminds me so much of the 2018 Red Sox. We talk about the Sox building a franchise that wins 95 games year in and year out, makes the playoffs almost all of the time, and knocks on the door to the championship so often that even if they don't win, you know it's just a matter of time, that the law of averages dictates that you keep threatening to win, sooner or later you will if given the opportunity so often. I mean, that's what the hope is with Chaim Bloom at the helm, to build a franchise that operates that way. Well, that's what the Yankees have done. Sooner or later, they're going to finally have a year where they break through. They've certainly been knocking on the door for a long time, and this group appears really confident, which is a good thing to have - the 2018 Red Sox became a real confident bunch as well as the wins piled up. So am I guaranteeing the Yankees win the Series? No, I'm not. But I'm saying I certainly wouldn't dismiss the very real possibility of that just because I hate the franchise. Like I said, the dream scenario is that the Red Sox play the part of the 2008 NY Giants and piss on the dream year the Yankees are having (or the 2007-2008 Patriots who will only be remembered for 18-1, unfortunately)
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Post by bigmarty58 on Jul 9, 2022 8:47:41 GMT -5
Roster is flawed. Pitching injuries and a lack of competent MLB players in the bullpen, right field, and first base are dragging this team down. Injuries are bound to happen and all teams have to deal with them but unless CB is willing to go out and trade for the position players and bullpen arm than we are nothing but an average team that will limp into the playoffs and be eliminated by a more complete team. Is it time to consider selling?
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Post by manfred on Jul 9, 2022 8:50:44 GMT -5
I’m still steamed about Cora hanging Seabold out to dry. Cora has not impressed me this season, to be honest. Do managers just have off years?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2022 9:26:25 GMT -5
I’m still steamed about Cora hanging Seabold out to dry. Cora has not impressed me this season, to be honest. Do managers just have off years? Maybe if they fired Cora again and then rehired him again it would be better. He always does pretty good in his first year as Sox manager but not as well in his second season
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 9, 2022 9:26:31 GMT -5
Roster is flawed. Pitching injuries and a lack of competent MLB players in the bullpen, right field, and first base are dragging this team down. Injuries are bound to happen and all teams have to deal with them but unless CB is willing to go out and trade for the position players and bullpen arm than we are nothing but an average team that will limp into the playoffs and be eliminated by a more complete team. Is it time to consider selling? Yes, if the Red Sox are not serious about adding quality players, than sell ! Doing nothing either way would be stupid.
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Post by patford on Jul 9, 2022 9:26:36 GMT -5
A completely minor point but on those extremely rare occasions where the Sox have a position player pitch how is that decided? Does Cora ask for volunteers? It seems odd to me he wouldn't ask Dalbec or that Dalbec wouldn't offer. As we know Dalbec didn't like pitching but the fact is he was a pitcher so he seems the obvious choice.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 9, 2022 9:28:23 GMT -5
I’m still steamed about Cora hanging Seabold out to dry. Cora has not impressed me this season, to be honest. Do managers just have off years? Maybe if they fired Cora again and then rehired him again it would be better. He always does pretty good in his first year as Sox manager but not as well in his second season Firing Cora now would still leave him two firings behind Billy Martin, lol
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2022 9:29:51 GMT -5
Maybe if they fired Cora again and then rehired him again it would be better. He always does pretty good in his first year as Sox manager but not as well in his second season Firing Cora now would still leave him two firings behind Billy Martin, lol But tied with Yogi Berra and Lou Piniella I believe
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 9, 2022 9:35:22 GMT -5
Kaleb Ort called up
He's getting a DFA once he pitches a couple innings like Feliz
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 9, 2022 10:40:31 GMT -5
MassLive
Boston Red Sox will start Kutter Crawford on Saturday; Michael Feliz designated for assignment with more moves to come
Break our hearts 💕
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 9, 2022 10:47:34 GMT -5
I’m still steamed about Cora hanging Seabold out to dry. Cora has not impressed me this season, to be honest. Do managers just have off years? Maybe if they fired Cora again and then rehired him again it would be better. He always does pretty good in his first year as Sox manager but not as well in his second season I know you're kidding but I think the phenomenon has more to do with the fact that after a good year, GMs tend to hang onto too many of the players who just had career years and are due for a regression. Hence down years following unusually big years, regardless of the manager.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2022 11:15:58 GMT -5
Maybe if they fired Cora again and then rehired him again it would be better. He always does pretty good in his first year as Sox manager but not as well in his second season I know you're kidding but I think the phenomenon has more to do with the fact that after a good year, GMs tend to hang onto too many of the players who just had career years and are due for a regression. Hence down years following unusually big years, regardless of the manager. Francona and Farrell were 1st year Red Sox managers who won championships. The Sox got a boost from Kevin Kennedy's hiring. Year 2 wasn't as good. Who can forget Morgan magic? Then there's Bobby Valentine.....um never mind
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2022 11:19:06 GMT -5
A completely minor point but on those extremely rare occasions where the Sox have a position player pitch how is that decided? Does Cora ask for volunteers? It seems odd to me he wouldn't ask Dalbec or that Dalbec wouldn't offer. As we know Dalbec didn't like pitching but the fact is he was a pitcher so he seems the obvious choice. I'd bet it was because he was a pitcher. He's probably got a lot of neural wiring in the pitching lobe of his brain that would get activated, and bring in too many memories and feelings and maybe even screw up his hitting or fielding mechanics or something. Better to keep things simple for him.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2022 11:45:50 GMT -5
Say, ain't it about time for the annual trade deadline gallimaufry thread?
I consider these to be persons of interest:
3. Josh Bell 5. Frankie Montas 6. Tyler Mahle
11. Trey Mancini 23. Ian Happ 37. Blake Snell 38. Mike Clevinger
Some other additions would be nice fits but I'm scared of what they'd cost: Luis Castillo, David Robertson, and some other, lesser bullpen arms that wouldn't cost that much and yet would still cost too much.
Christian Walker is only mentioned as an "other of note," and CJ Cron isn't mentioned at all for some reason. All in all it strikes me as not a very deep list.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 9, 2022 11:54:17 GMT -5
Say, ain't it about time for the annual trade deadline gallimaufry thread? I consider these to be persons of interest: 3. Josh Bell 5. Frankie Montas 6. Tyler Mahle
11. Trey Mancini 23. Ian Happ 37. Blake Snell 38. Mike Clevinger
Some other additions would be nice fits but I'm scared of what they'd cost: Luis Castillo, David Robertson, and some other, lesser bullpen arms that wouldn't cost that much and yet would still cost too much.
Christian Walker is only mentioned as an "other of note," and CJ Cron isn't mentioned at all for some reason. All in all it strikes me as not a very deep list.
I would pass on Mahle and Montas considering that they are on the IL with a shoulder issues and the Sox have plenty of depth there
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2022 11:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 9, 2022 11:59:03 GMT -5
Josh Bell is the only 1B that can take Franchy's job vs RHP, I think.
I like Mancini if he costs very little.
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Post by manfred on Jul 9, 2022 12:01:45 GMT -5
I’d go pretty big to get Castillo. You’d have him next year, too, which could make Eovaldi’s likely loss less painful.
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