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Post by redsox43 on Jul 12, 2022 16:15:06 GMT -5
I'm also in the camp that thinks Bobby is less than a average defender at first base. Too mistake prone, doesn't do a great job picking balls out of the dirt that doesn't count as a mistake on him.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 12, 2022 16:16:07 GMT -5
When is Casas going to be ready? I feel like i’ve been waiting for him to come back for way too long. He just started rehab today. He might not be ready this year. He needs to work his way back from injury, and he lost a bunch of development time.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 12, 2022 16:23:25 GMT -5
i’m excited to see Chris Sale today. Wish Downs was in the lineup instead of Dalbec but Cora must owe him money because this man getting opportunity after opportunity.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2022 16:27:06 GMT -5
Is it fair to pre-suppose that the Dalbec projections are garbage? What did they project for him prior to the season, for example(and what did they project for Drury?)? The game is played by people, not projections or spreadsheets. Drury is having a great season. I understand that the models expect him to stink(that’s why he’s playing this season on a minor league deal), but his real world performance is more interesting than that. The projections have Dalbec at 100 to 110 wRC+ for the rest of the season. He's at 102 for his career, and 102 over the past two months. They have Drury at 102 to 108 for the rest of the season. He's at 91 for his career, and 133 over the past two months. Make of it what you will.
If Dalbec is so average then why did he lose his job to Franchy who had barely any 1b experience? If he is so average why was Cora sitting him against righties? If he's such a sure thing why did Bloom acquire Schwarber with the intention of shoehorning him into the lineup as a 1b even though he had never played 1b in his life? If Dalbec was so solid I think they simply would have left him alone last season and this season, but they haven't. So you can say he's been average but I think the Sox know that if they expose everyday they might get a scorching month but if they did it would be followed by two months of horrible play. I'm curious to see what Bloom thinks. Depends on the price of course, but I wonder if he's fine standing pat at 1b...or in RF...or in the bullpen or if he thinks they're in need of an upgrade.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 12, 2022 16:28:49 GMT -5
Devers back. At DH
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 12, 2022 16:32:31 GMT -5
I am convinced. We are blessed with a grand 1b pairing. You aren’t going crazy. Dalbec stinks. Franchy has absolutely improved from last season(but he can’t play 1B). If Dalbec truly does have some value, then this is a good time to trade him. It seems like pure homerism to pretend that Dalbec is a positive on this team. At least he’s better than Travis Shaw, though. I’ll say that much for him. I don't want Franchy at 1B. I want him in RF, platooning with Ref. I also never want to see Arroyo in RF again (I think Refsnyder is making sure of that).
Here are the rankings of the BOS RFs by FG Def rating, minimum 90 innings played (Ref has the least thus far at 91):
JBJ: 13th of 77 qualifying Refsnyder: 23rd Franchy: 29th Arroyo: 68th
Obviously it's a SSS (heck, it's four guys for one position on the same team in half a season) but even if you never had to watch Arroyo butcher cans of corn with your eyes (lucky you), it has already been captured by the metrics.
[N.B.: If you bump it up to 450 innings, which groups JBJ (457) in with the full-time qualifiers, he ranks 3rd of 11, behind only Kepler and Betts.]
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Post by philip on Jul 12, 2022 16:42:39 GMT -5
Why is downs not playing 3rd? Dalbec is not doing well offensively or defensively. Did anyone watch him butcher that pop up yesterday.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 12, 2022 16:51:38 GMT -5
Aldo Ramirez has not pitched for the Nats other than 7 2/3 bad FCL rehab innings last year. I wonder if there's some bad feelings about that trade Has he been hurt?
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 12, 2022 16:53:12 GMT -5
I dont ask for much but please, can we have a game where we arent down multiple runs first couple innings?
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Post by cdj on Jul 12, 2022 16:54:41 GMT -5
Aldo Ramirez has not pitched for the Nats other than 7 2/3 bad FCL rehab innings last year. I wonder if there's some bad feelings about that trade Has he been hurt? Yeah some arm issues iirc Oopsie daisies
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 12, 2022 17:03:27 GMT -5
If we're going off the eye test, I'll still take Cordero over Dalbec at 1B. Cordero was young and had terrible injury luck before coming to Boston and he was still just slightly below league average in his offensive production. He's healthy now, in his prime, and has more experience under his belt. It makes sense that his numbers would improve a bit. He's always had the tools.
Refsnyder's success is more out of the blue, but he has maintained it over a decent sample size. His OPS in 182 PA in Worcester this year is .952. His OPS in 80 PA in Boston this year is .957. He plays above average defense in RF too, so he wouldn't be useless even if his bat regresses a bit. I'm not counting on Hernandez, but we don't have to. Especially given his bat so far this year, I see him as potential utility depth. The team as currently constructed has a player at every position that has been producing. JBJ and Dalbec are the only two who really haven't been (and Dalbec on both sides of the ball), but they're mostly bench players. I'm not panicking over the bench being a bit thin when we're down two great utility guys in Arroyo and Hernandez. If we add any position players, then, I would prefer it to be a platoonable utility type. That kind of player would be useful without the high price tag. The lineup is already long and the offense has been good. Even with the bats being ice cold for the first month of the season the Sox are 4th in the majors in runs scored. The offense has been humming since April.
The issue over the past two weeks or so has been pitching, as can be expected with six starting pitchers injured, and that issue should resolve itself with time as I've pointed out. Adding new players on either side of the ball to improve depth is a decent idea. I don't think we need a starting-caliber player on either side of the ball, though. If the value is good, sure, anyone can use an impact player, but the value proposition at the deadline is usually terrible. I don't think it's worth paying a heavy premium to fill holes that don't really exist. Adding starting-caliber players is one way to improve depth, but so is adding platoon players. The latter likely won't carry the same inflated cost.
Understood but the problem is that Cordero is not an acceptable 1b. He is Schwarber like except he doesn't generate the offense that Schwarber did to make it a worthwhile gamble. I can buy Cordero as a corner OF solution perhaps. I don't think you can leave Cordero at 1b and feel like the infield defense will be find so if you can't then you cast your lot hoping that Dalbec plays a lot better than he has. It's frustrating. He has the power to hit 30 plus HRs, but he's just not anywhere near that kind of pace unless he has a scorching month or two. While it could happen, he can easily continue to get eaten up by RH pitching and be an offensive liability at a hitters position while not exactly being Keither Hernandez at 1b defensively. I still don't think Refsnyder has enough of a sample size to make me say, Play him every day. I expect him to do well in AAA given that Worcester is a good place to hit and he's older than a lot of the competition. He's either a AAAA player or a viable bench player in my opinion. 50 - 60 ABs isn't enough to make me want to play him every day. A number of his ABs have come against lefties who he is more likely to hit well. The eye test that I use on Refsnyder tells me he's a better defensive OF than I had thought he was. I know he has some pop. I'm becoming more convinced that he's a useful member of the roster but I'm not convinced he's an everyday solution. Like I said, Cordero and Refsnyder could form a nice platoon in the outfield. I think I'm less bothered by Franchy at 1B that you, probably because of how tragic I think Bob has been and because Franchy is so entertaining to watch hit that I subconsciously soften his rough edges. Generally we seem to agree more than we disagree on them. I just don't think it's worth paying a prospect premium to upgrade over two guys who have hit well for the 4th ranked offense in MLB out of a fear that they might regress. I think this is especially true if you're fine with Franchy's defense on an OF corner, because I don't think the delta between his OF defense and 1B defense is that big. I can live with a mediocre 1B. Just make sure your up the middle defense is good and you'll be in decent shape unless the weak corner defender is an actual little leaguer. Franchy and Bob are bad defenders, but neither is going to hurt us THAT much out there. It's rare that you have a guy with a solid MLB pedigree at every position, and Franchy and Refsnyder have showed me enough that I'm happy with both being in the lineup most of the time, and all the time when splits align.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 12, 2022 17:23:21 GMT -5
I'm not very confident about Sale tonight. He couldn't command his FB last time out and walked five in 3.2 IP. I think TB is going to wait him out and take a strike or two in each AB. I'm frankly surprised that he didn't throw another rehabber. I guess they figure Sale without command is better than one of the AAA guys.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 12, 2022 17:27:17 GMT -5
I seriously can't believe we're into the middle of July and we're still waiting for that Bobby Dalbec breakout. He has a -0.7 WAR with a .615 OPS as a 1B. There was a time you didn't want those numbers from a SS or even a catcher, let alone 1B. He's 27 years old. He got Ted Williams hot in his first call up and 2 months of last season. Beyond that, he's been Willy Mo Pena (which is what everyone was calling Franchy last season).
Even if he gets insanely hot again, it's too little too late. I don't want a player that's below replacement level for 4 months and MVP quality for 2. He should be sent down to Worcester along with Duran.
In regards to Duran, he was originally an infielder, yes? He's clearly not able to read the ball off the bat in the outfield. I would get him some work at 2B.
Franchy is a very minor upgrade over Dalbec. I would continue to ride him until the deadline and try to improve there.
As for tonight, I would put the Red Sox best defensive lineup on the field to help avoid a Sale meltdown. Hopefully if he doesn't have it some plus defense can bail him out and build some confidence.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 12, 2022 17:29:13 GMT -5
Extra Wild Card has created more buying pressure. There's no chance that NYY Houston Minnesota NYM Milwaukee LAD Boston *Tampa Seattle Toronto * Cleveland Baltimore San Diego Atlanta Philadelphia St. Louis San Francisco And maybe Texas, CWS, and Marlins are selling. That's a lot of teams not moving parts with most looking to buy. Whatever you think is fair, tack on a prospect. But it depends on the market. The market for 1B is going to be a buyer's market. I just marked in your post all the teams that are in contention that may try to trade for a 1B. Even TOR is iffy, as they may fall out of contention (is anyone's seat hotter than Charlie Montoyo's?) or they could ride with Biggio or give hot-hitting recent AAA-call-up Spencer Horwitz an audition. Other than that, pretty much every contending team is either set at 1B or it's not their top need.
I like Chaim's chances of finding a good 1B option for a good deal.
This is fair, but how many teams selling have a viable 1B? This is me lazily asking without doing any research.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 12, 2022 17:45:45 GMT -5
Cora is showing how much trust he has in Jeter with Bobby out there today.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 12, 2022 18:03:34 GMT -5
Cora is showing how much trust he has in Jeter with Bobby out there today. Can we refer to him as Downs from now on? I almost barf any time I see the name “Jeter” associated with the Sox.
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Post by manfred on Jul 12, 2022 18:07:30 GMT -5
Cora is showing how much trust he has in Jeter with Bobby out there today. I don’t know. I’m glad Downs is sitting. Let him get experience slowly. There is no reason to throw him to the wolves. Cora has gotten him in when needed.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 12, 2022 18:08:05 GMT -5
Cora is showing how much trust he has in Jeter with Bobby out there today. Can we refer to him as Downs from now on? I almost barf any time I see the name “Jeter” associated with the Sox. I can't believe ESPN is advertising their film series "The Captain" about Derek Jeter outside of Fenway on a billboard. Needs to be gratified immediately. He was the most self loathing "Captain" I ever seen. His HOF ceremony is going to be just the worst.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 12, 2022 18:08:35 GMT -5
Welcome back Chris Sale. Here’s hoping you’ve got a lot of tread left on the tires.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 12, 2022 18:21:11 GMT -5
exciting. and happy for him
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Post by benzinger on Jul 12, 2022 18:21:51 GMT -5
Sale looking spry...and skinny! Has he lost some weight from his usual playing level?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 12, 2022 18:21:53 GMT -5
wow. big break slider
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 12, 2022 18:26:12 GMT -5
lets get a lead for once. now !!
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 12, 2022 18:29:25 GMT -5
Cora is showing how much trust he has in Jeter with Bobby out there today. I'm an optimist about his future, but the crowd complaining about Bobby at the plate are really not gonna like watching Jeter Downs hit
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Post by thelpc on Jul 12, 2022 18:30:49 GMT -5
Cora is showing how much trust he has in Jeter with Bobby out there today. I'm an optimist about his future, but the crowd complaining about Bobby at the plate are really not gonna like watching Jeter Downs hit I enjoy watching Bobby field even less
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