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Post by manfred on Jul 12, 2022 21:14:37 GMT -5
I know Bloom is focusing on the bullpen when he gets around to it, but I'd love one more consistent bat. When everyone gets healthy, all the weak links are going to be pushed out. I think everyone we need is in the org already. I think that is certainly true of the bullpen. If they ever have Sale, Eovaldi, Hill, Pivetta, and Wacha going, they have nasty arms with Whitlock, Houck, Crawford, etc. This without Paxton figuring in, even. But they need a bit more help with the lineup. Especially if Kiké is looking at an even longer than expected absence.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2022 21:18:06 GMT -5
It was great to see Sale pitch well. Unfortunately they gave the game away, from the needless double error to failing to score down a run with runners on the corners with no outs.
That was a winnable game that went into the loss column which is tough considering the state of the roster. TB wins games but how can be a mystery at times. Their lineup, especially without Franco, is AAA quality, yet the Sox lost both games anyways.
And yeah, Franchy should not be at 1b.
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Post by philip on Jul 12, 2022 21:24:36 GMT -5
Agree that the pitching should be ok soon when the injured players return and they can reorganize the pen . But right field and first base are still a problem. At least they are getting good defense in right field but not at first base. Casas year in AAA has been a waste due to his injury. Not sure if he needs to spend next year there for the experience. Should focus there. I’m looking in the closet for my first base mitt. When are try outs.
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Post by benzinger on Jul 12, 2022 21:30:09 GMT -5
This team just can’t beat TB(or Toronto for that matter). Until further notice, they really are the 4th best team in their own division. Hard to spin it any other way.
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Post by philip on Jul 12, 2022 21:35:26 GMT -5
I think they are better than Tampa but don’t do the little things and a few weak links but as they say in baseball the ball always finds the weak links
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 12, 2022 21:48:05 GMT -5
This team just can’t beat TB(or Toronto for that matter). Until further notice, they really are the 4th best team in their own division. Hard to spin it any other way. As long as it's not 5th place in the division they should be fine.
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Post by briam on Jul 12, 2022 22:03:40 GMT -5
With the remaining schedule and the fact the Orioles may never lose another organized baseball game my optimism for this season is approaching all time lows.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 12, 2022 22:06:47 GMT -5
Clay Holmes is imploding tonight for the MFY
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Post by incandenza on Jul 12, 2022 22:07:53 GMT -5
Major league players are supposed to get some hits and get on base a certain percent of the time. Dalbec just does it much less than what is needed to define what a good player is. If you want to gloat every time he gets an RBI, however, please do. Something has to balance out you negative people who can't even credit him when he hits the ball hard for an out. You know, jimed, as an antinegativist myself, let me say that unrelenting negativity about others' negativity... is itself a form of negativity.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 12, 2022 22:16:06 GMT -5
Okay, *this* loss rankles a bit. I know Strahm was in physical pain when he made the terrible decision that lost the game for them, but just... maybe don't make that obviously terrible decision, especially since you're in physical pain?
My other takeaways: - Franchy looks indistinguishable from 2021 Franchy since this series started. Lord please let it be just a blip. - "Oh my god I can't believe Bloom put together such a terrible bullpen that it could give up 1 ER in 3 innings."
- Jeter Downs, if he can hit just a little bit, is absolutely a major leaguer. I really hope he can, cuz if so he's going to be fun to watch. - I feel like the effect of getting Sale back has almost been underrated, but damn, if they've added an ace to this rotation that's already been surprisingly good this season, that's huge. - Baltimore just won again. Up to .500 now. They have like no payroll and a top shelf farm system. This division is going to be so stupid for the next half decade.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jul 12, 2022 22:21:34 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to add some negativity. I keep reading posts about when everyone is healthy regarding the bullpen...but.. when is everyone healthy, I mean we could get EOVALDI, sale and Wacha back, but then Schreiber's arm might fall off or Houck might tweak something. I mean are we sure Straham is even okay after tonight? To think that everyone will be healthy at the same time is fools gold. This team needs reinforcements and it needs them NOW.
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Post by manfred on Jul 12, 2022 22:25:39 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to add some negativity. I keep reading posts about when everyone is healthy regarding the bullpen...but.. when is everyone healthy, I mean we could get EOVALDI, sale and Wacha back, but then Schreiber's arm might fall off or Houck might tweak something. I mean are we sure Straham is even okay after tonight? To think that everyone will be healthy at the same time is fools gold. This team needs reinforcements and it needs them NOW. This is true, but if they could even just get Eovaldi and Whitlock back it would make a huge difference. Imagine Crawford in middle innings, Houck and Whitlock at the end? That not to mention guys out there actually pitching well. Personally, I’d prefer Hill in the pen when he fets back, too. I think he’d be a good middle reliever. I like a trade more than most, but I don’t know if the cost-reward of a trade for another reliever works out right now.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 12, 2022 22:29:29 GMT -5
With the remaining schedule and the fact the Orioles may never lose another organized baseball game my optimism for this season is approaching all time lows. Yeah when was the last time the Orioles were 500 in mid July? Nine game winning streak and probably believing in themselves. Apparently tanking sometimes works.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 12, 2022 22:30:54 GMT -5
Sawamura suddenly finding it has been nice. I think he does better when they give him some time to rest up between outings. Here are his career oOPS numbers broken down by days of rest:
0 days (i.e. second game of back-to-back): 1.277 1 day of rest between outings: .742 2 days of rest: .524 3 days of rest: .438
EDIT: Makes you wonder why he ever pitches back to back anymore.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 12, 2022 22:33:13 GMT -5
Yankees got beat by the Reds. So a little good news. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 12, 2022 22:33:26 GMT -5
This bullpen needs Crawford and Whitlock badly. Cora is on record that Crawford will remain a starter, whether in Boston or Worcester.
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Post by taiwansox on Jul 12, 2022 22:42:22 GMT -5
Yankees got beat by the Reds. So a little good news. Couldn't happen to a nicer team. Holmes giving up 4 runs to blow a 3-0 lead to boot
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Post by manfred on Jul 12, 2022 22:48:25 GMT -5
This bullpen needs Crawford and Whitlock badly. Cora is on record that Crawford will remain a starter, whether in Boston or Worcester. Huh. Well, I’d rather he relieved here than started there, that’s for sure.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 12, 2022 23:00:40 GMT -5
Cora is on record that Crawford will remain a starter, whether in Boston or Worcester. Huh. Well, I’d rather he relieved here than started there, that’s for sure. They didn't like how some of his pitches played in relief.
He also is much more comfortable with the every 5 day routine (like most guys, I guess).
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Post by manfred on Jul 12, 2022 23:33:12 GMT -5
Huh. Well, I’d rather he relieved here than started there, that’s for sure. They didn't like how some of his pitches played in relief.
He also is much more comfortable with the every 5 day routine (like most guys, I guess). I guess that makes sense. But if he does get sent down, it will be a bummer. I loved how he competed last game.
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Post by redsox43 on Jul 12, 2022 23:51:29 GMT -5
The Sox futility against the AL East continues. What a bad trend. They won't make it to the playoffs if they can't beat anyone in the East.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 12, 2022 23:58:25 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to add some negativity. I keep reading posts about when everyone is healthy regarding the bullpen...but.. when is everyone healthy, I mean we could get EOVALDI, sale and Wacha back, but then Schreiber's arm might fall off or Houck might tweak something. I mean are we sure Straham is even okay after tonight? To think that everyone will be healthy at the same time is fools gold. This team needs reinforcements and it needs them NOW. This is true, but if they could even just get Eovaldi and Whitlock back it would make a huge difference. Imagine Crawford in middle innings, Houck and Whitlock at the end? That not to mention guys out there actually pitching well. Personally, I’d prefer Hill in the pen when he fets back, too. I think he’d be a good middle reliever. I like a trade more than most, but I don’t know if the cost-reward of a trade for another reliever works out right now. I can not believe I actually agree with Manfred. The additional pitching the Red Sox need is already in the organization. Inactive Pitchers RH Michael Wacha RH Nathan Eovaldi RH Garrett Whitlock LH Rich Hill RH Matt Barnes RH Tyler Danish RH Connor Seabold Add Bello, Darwinzon, Chris Murphy, Josh Taylor, and Paxton to the above list. That is pretty damn good pitching between the active roster and this list. IMO the Red Sox need to trade for a rental first basemen as Dalbec / Franchy is not cutting it. I wonder if the 2023 season will end up starting with Story and Jeter Downs sharing SS and 2B.
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Post by patford on Jul 13, 2022 7:29:58 GMT -5
All the Sox need to do is get healthy. The number of injuries has been ridiculous and there seems to be no end to it.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 13, 2022 9:30:54 GMT -5
All the Sox need to do is get healthy. The number of injuries has been ridiculous and there seems to be no end to it. Winning a series against an AL east opponent would nice too
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Post by radiohix on Jul 13, 2022 10:08:16 GMT -5
The most important aspect of Sale’s outing for me last night was: Can he command his slider arm side? He was incapable of doing that last year. He was incapable of throwing it to the outside corner of RHH. But last night, especially as the game went on, he was dotting that thing! It’s like an April start for him, I think that the velocity will go up and by September he’ll be painting the inside corner to RHH with 98-99 mph fastball while also taking ownership of the outside corner of the plate with his slider. The Red Sox entering the playoffs with a Sale-Eovaldi-Paxton (all with a much lighter season workload than the opposing team) could do some serious damage. Just get in there baby!
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