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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 20, 2022 20:00:29 GMT -5
Thank goodness for Marcus Jones. The defense. I still like how Stevenson is playing Judon broke the patriots sack record I know I wouldn't want to make Andre Tippett mad. I guess you're okay with it?? What can I say. That guy is a patriot god. I was doing security in Boston while I was going to college . The building we did his in laws live there so when he came with his wife I was smiling from ear to ear. What a treat.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 20, 2022 21:56:54 GMT -5
I meant making him mad by forgetting he still has the Patriot sack records. 18.5 in 84 and 16.5 in 85 are the 2 best totals.
While Judon might break the record, he isn't there yet.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 20, 2022 22:50:26 GMT -5
This version of the team is certainly a tough one to love with that dysfunctional offense. 6-4 record is quite unbelieveable, really.
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Post by cdj on Nov 20, 2022 23:24:28 GMT -5
2nd worst 6-4 team ever, behind the NY Jets
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2022 9:15:25 GMT -5
That was progress in my book, best Mac Jones has looked since his injury. OL was crap, Wynn and Andrews going down with injuries is big. Yet their aren't many teams that have the Jets talent on D. No epic wind that game is likely 12-3 before Marcus Jones awesome return. The Jets just have big time talent on D at all 3 levels.
Vikings looked like crap, lost LT to concussion and their OL looked like ours. The Vikings D is nothing like we've seen recently, so Mac Jones better do well.
Nice to see Harris healthy again. He has the speed, explosion and power again.
Kinda of a shame, what could this team be if the OL wasn't crap?
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 21, 2022 11:21:08 GMT -5
I meant making him mad by forgetting he still has the Patriot sack records. 18.5 in 84 and 16.5 in 85 are the 2 best totals. While Judon might break the record, he isn't there yet. It was a career high for Judon. My bad. I guess I was dozing off during the game of the year.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 21, 2022 11:22:24 GMT -5
Wynn going down is only bad because there running out of bodies. He killed so many drives earlier this year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 21, 2022 12:35:57 GMT -5
Sorry, I can’t buy into the Patriots defense until they actually shut down / slow down good teams with good QBs… only game we can point to was week 1 with Tua and the dolphins, but that’s week 1. I’ve seen this movie too many times recently and until the ending changes; I’m not going to get fooled again.
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Post by cdj on Nov 21, 2022 13:12:21 GMT -5
I think the defense should look pretty great this week and they’ll always look great against non-mobile QB’s
I liked that they used Mack Wilson as a spy this week, maybe we’ll see more of that. He’s fast enough to play the role
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Post by marrcus on Nov 21, 2022 14:56:00 GMT -5
The Jet's press is crying clip on the punt runback. I noticed it in the replays yesterday afternoon. It looked close but no call in my opinion (though I didn't slow it down). Given the refs propensity to make the call it was stupid -clip- but it was so quick I'm not blaming the Pat blocker. Anyway it was good that some team got a return that led to a win. The NFL shouldn't go a season without one.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Nov 21, 2022 15:53:50 GMT -5
The loss of Andrews was huge. Ferentz and Strange were manhandled by the defense and Mac had someone in his face most times when he tried to pass. I thought he looked pretty good overall, but the line was atrocious. the Vikings look like they forgot how to play against Dallas and the Pats defense should do well against them. The offense is another story. Patricia will have his hands full in this game. I don't think he has done a very good job yet and I am not very optimistic he will.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2022 8:46:03 GMT -5
Wynn going down is only bad because there running out of bodies. He killed so many drives earlier this year. They had two weeks to work on OL, test guys out and see what works best. They came up with Wynn at LT was the move and then he has an injury. He was clearly better at LT than he's been at RT. Makes perfect sense, a lot of guys can only play one side, move them to the otherside and everything falls apart. Look at Onwenu benched at LG, looks like an all pro at RG and was darn good at RT. Not like Brown has been good, there's a reason they benched him. To end last year he was getting killed also at RT. This time they didn't even move him to RT. So yeah it's a loss in my book.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 22, 2022 9:24:12 GMT -5
Pre-game, I thought I'd read Brown was hurt/injured and that lead to him not starting (and they didn't have a 3rd T available so he WAS active).
Agree with the rest of the post though.
I can't decide if they switched the tackles bc of the new blocking scheme (as some were suggesting pre-season) or bc they knew Wynn wasn't going to be around next year and they were hoping they'd have an LT (Brown) in place and only have to bring a RT in (ie new guy wouldn't have to be blindside).
Now I wonder if they'll have to bring in both. If Bill wants to say that they want Onwenu at what they believe is best spot, I don't have a problem with that. But how they managed the T position beyond that has been one of the bigger mistakes in the BB era.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 22, 2022 11:01:41 GMT -5
Pre-game, I thought I'd r ead Brown was hurt/injured and that lead to him not starting (and they didn't have a 3rd T available so he WAS active). Agree with the rest of the post though. I can't decide if they switched the tackles bc of the new blocking scheme (as some were suggesting pre-season) or bc they knew Wynn wasn't going to be around next year and they were hoping they'd have an LT (Brown) in place and only have to bring a RT in (ie new guy wouldn't have to be blindside). Now I wonder if they'll have to bring in both. If Bill wants to say that they want Onwenu at what they believe is best spot, I don't have a problem with that. But how they managed the T position beyond that has been one of the bigger mistakes in the BB era. He was sick all week per his or a family instagram IIRC (unsure, but a few other players missed practice with illnesses this week, though Trent didn't miss any time). Tough to reset endurance if he'd had a stomach illness until a few days prior.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 22, 2022 11:43:22 GMT -5
Wow. David Andrews is practicing today (Isaiah Wynn is not).
EDIT - Also a new OL is present. Not surprising given depth issues.
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2022 12:07:53 GMT -5
Andrews is a throwback. Pure football guy
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Post by jmei on Nov 22, 2022 15:47:31 GMT -5
Consensus of the film review is that the offensive struggles in the Jets game were more on the offensive line than the QB. From a long-term point of view, that’s good news.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2022 15:47:54 GMT -5
It’s almost like trading Mason was a bad move… gee who could have seen that?
Also, are people still pretending Strange has been good?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 22, 2022 16:24:05 GMT -5
It’s almost like trading Mason was a bad move… gee who could have seen that? Also, are people still pretending Strange has been good? Yeah, it would be good if our 1st round pick wasn't playing like a guy who should have been drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round. I guess that's the luxury of hindsight. I agree the QB wasn't the issue against the Jets, but is he going to be a guy who can create drives and scoring plays with subpar talent or is he a guy who has potential to be good, as long as everyone else is? It's a very talk radio viewpoint, but I think there's merit to that. I don't think he's a bust, but he's probably Derek Carr at best. I believe the Patriots have 2 offensive touchdowns since the Bears game and both of them came on short field (one on the 4 yard line). It's unacceptable and the problem starts with Patricia and Judge. Everyone on offense has been worse since they've taken charge. Also, dishonorable mention to Thornton. He, like Strange, has been disappointing. Bill is a master class coach because his GM (him) is terrible.
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Post by jmei on Nov 22, 2022 18:13:06 GMT -5
Eh, feels like we should calibrate expectations somewhat. If Mac is even an averagish quarterback long term, that’s a great pick. This is ultimately still a developmental year for both him and the team in general. If they come out of it with a competitive season and a few long-term building blocks, that’s a successful season. Stevenson and Duggar continue to look like future Pro Bowlers, and, while it hasn’t been linear, guys like Strange and Jack Jones and Thornton and Marcus Jones still look very promising.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2022 19:39:32 GMT -5
If you believe in PFF grades trading Mason and inserting Onwenu is the one right thing they did on OL. He's playing like an all-pro at RG and has a much higher grade than Shaq Mason for much less money.
Now you could certainly argue about putting Onwenu at RT, using Browns money for Karras at LG. Yet for me it's still about how you used Masons money rather than trading him.
We'll see on LT, Bill called it a coaching situation and like normal wouldn't clarify anything when asked for more details. Yet I still believe it was a mistake to move Wynn to RT from LT and letting Karras go was his other big mistake. He forgot that chemistry on the OL matters.
Strange and Thornton are performing like where they were ranked pre-draft, not where Bill drafted them. I think Strange can improve, yet it's such a jump in competition coming from the school he did. Hard for rookie WR, especially when they miss time due to injury and the OL is crap.
Yet in typical Bill fashion he's also found good value lower in draft.
Yet Bill the GM deserve plenty of blame right now. OL is crap, no blocking TEs, no fullback and no ultra quick slot WR. That's a horrible combination. No fast LBers which shows up everytime you play an athletic QB. Paying good money to a sucky punter, guy off the street with crazy wind looked much better. The Agholor and Junu contracts, massive extension for our so so DT. You can complain about his OC choices, the bigger issue is what Bill the GM gave them to work with.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 23, 2022 11:31:49 GMT -5
You can complain about his OC choices, the bigger issue is what Bill the GM gave them to work with. I will complain about both, thank you! I think Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr is about where I'd expected a Good Mac scenario to settle. Just enough to win on a good team, with a few bad enough plays to lose sometimes. I was in favor of moving up for Fields, though I thought he'd be a better passer and a scrambler rather than designed runner (great for fantasy football, bad for long term winning). Mostly I'm shocked at how bad the last 2 years and counting of QBs have been coming out of college. Bryce Young is a winner but at a size with no precedent. Stroud is likely less than the sum of his success (best WR talent & scheme since Alabama 2017-19). Levis, Richardson, McKee, not what I'll guess will be winning pros. Is it a COVID thing? So strange after so much QB talent came in the year prior.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2022 13:22:33 GMT -5
You can complain about his OC choices, the bigger issue is what Bill the GM gave them to work with. I will complain about both, thank you! I think Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr is about where I'd expected a Good Mac scenario to settle. Just enough to win on a good team, with a few bad enough plays to lose sometimes. I was in favor of moving up for Fields, though I thought he'd be a better passer and a scrambler rather than designed runner (great for fantasy football, bad for long term winning). Mostly I'm shocked at how bad the last 2 years and counting of QBs have been coming out of college. Bryce Young is a winner but at a size with no precedent. Stroud is likely less than the sum of his success (best WR talent & scheme since Alabama 2017-19). Levis, Richardson, McKee, not what I'll guess will be winning pros. Is it a COVID thing? So strange after so much QB talent came in the year prior. Isn't that normal? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, yet I feel like they always come in spurts followed by periods of busts. Honest question what would McDaniels do with that OL from last game? Fun fact of the day second most passing yards Jets D has given up all year, only Joe Burrow had more. That's impressive to me, the way they have adjusted is also very impressive. Just that OL against a darn good Jets D is crazy. I've got a few games circled that will really determine how good MP is, first one is tomorrow versus Vikings. That's the easiest D we've seen since Zappe was starting games.
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Post by cdj on Nov 23, 2022 13:54:18 GMT -5
They scored 3 points, I get the circumstances with the wind and crappy line but let’s reserve the term “impressive” for when they can score one (1) touchdown. They did what they needed to do (not turn the ball over)….that can’t be denied!
Marcus Jones is impressive.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 23, 2022 15:04:29 GMT -5
All the money BB has to spend in the off-season is it going to the O-Line? I hope not. This is the least flexible line we had in a while. If scar came back for 2 weeks what could he even do? I can’t repeat how disappointed I am with BB over the coaching issues. I heard he carry’s an enormous salary which he deserves but it’s very shallow the coaching there getting. It’s a shame because there is some talent here. Best D pressure since chandler jones probably better.
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