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Post by mobaz on Sept 11, 2022 16:06:18 GMT -5
Time to start off the in season thread.
I'd like to revisit my Belichick outsmarting himself commentary now.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 11, 2022 16:52:32 GMT -5
So glad I missed that mess
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 11, 2022 17:53:41 GMT -5
What's up with BB? Sit Bourne until the 4th. It wasn't disciplinary, so what was it then BB?
They always have issues down there but they made it to easy for the Dolphins.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 11, 2022 20:17:52 GMT -5
So glad I missed that mess I feel like this team will make the 2022 Red Sox likeable.
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Post by marrcus on Sept 11, 2022 21:42:39 GMT -5
Well they could easily go 0/4 to start the season. They get a break after that in opposition but if they have problems with those three as well, you would probably have to start thinking about a top 5 draft pick. As well as ownership forcing Bill to make some changes. So, an optimistic read on the start would be 2-5, 3-4.
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Post by cdj on Sept 11, 2022 22:36:09 GMT -5
Offense is problematic and defense is pretty good
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 11, 2022 23:31:25 GMT -5
Well they could easily go 0/4 to start the season. They get a break after that in opposition but if they have problems with those three as well, you would probably have to start thinking about a top 5 draft pick. As well as ownership forcing Bill to make some changes. So, an optimistic read on the start would be 2-5, 3-4. Honestly, nothing about today or the pre-season is making me think any game on their schedule is a "gimme" not saying they'll go winless, but right now I can see this team struggling against the Lions.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 11, 2022 23:32:11 GMT -5
Offense is problematic and defense is pretty good I thought they looked awful on both sides of the ball.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 12, 2022 7:18:46 GMT -5
Can’t get upset for a turd being a turd.
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Post by cdj on Sept 12, 2022 7:43:41 GMT -5
Offense is problematic and defense is pretty good I thought they looked awful on both sides of the ball. Defense allowed 13 points against a team with a lot of offensive weapons. How on earth is that awful? That is one (1) TD. They certainly had some bad moments but they mostly did what they had to do The offense was worse than awful though
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Post by costpet on Sept 12, 2022 9:43:42 GMT -5
That non-call for pass interference in the end zone probably cost us a TD. Then, when their non-blocking on their own 5 yard line cost us another against us. A couple of plays gone the other way could have given us the win.
I thought the running game was better than expected. The defense only gave up 13 points. The passing offense not so great. It wasn't as bad as the final score indicated. Lots to clean up, but I think it will get better. It's only one game.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 12, 2022 9:46:47 GMT -5
I don't know, somethings aren't as bad as people are acting. They drive down the field first drive should be holding call and first down at 1 yard line. No call and an interception. The sack fumble for TD, then Agholor fumbles.
The bigger worry for me is things like that many attempts to RBs spread out evenly. Focusing on Jonnu, there's a reason I wanted to trade a WR. I don't like that mix, Parker basically takes Agholor role and Agholor took Bournes role. Yet Bourne is better than Smith, it's why he played less and less last year. So your expensive TE cost you playing a better receiving option. He's not a good blocker, you really don't have a good blocking TE. Yet overall they basically need to pick options and go that way in the game. It shows OC first game, it was get everyone evenly involved, instead of exploiting mismatches. I just don’t like the mix of weapons, you lack speed and Smith is a huge issue.
Plus note the OL looked fine outside our LT doing whatever he was doing letting a guy run free at QB.
Really need to work in Thornton when healthy and Nixon, there speed and ability to create separation is needed. Mac had plays with plenty of time and our guys couldn't get open.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 12, 2022 12:22:45 GMT -5
I thought they looked awful on both sides of the ball. Defense allowed 13 points against a team with a lot of offensive weapons. How on earth is that awful? That is one (1) TD. They certainly had some bad moments but they mostly did what they had to do The offense was worse than awful though Because of the horrific TD to end the half. I thought Tua wasn't that good and time and time again the defense didn't capitalize. Tua needs a lot of work. I feel like he tried to give you back the game. I don't think the same effort will be a pretty result against a team that's better coached and has a better QB.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 12, 2022 12:30:27 GMT -5
Next week though the Patriots should handle the Steelers offense. The defense and the OL concerns and now Mac having a hurt back could be problematic. No TJ Watt should help. Patriots defense should only need the same effort against Miami and the offense has to be better next week otherwise they're looking at an 0-4 start. Browns looked pretty decent even without Watson and the Lions showed they're capable of putting up points.
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Post by cdj on Sept 12, 2022 12:53:45 GMT -5
Defense allowed 13 points against a team with a lot of offensive weapons. How on earth is that awful? That is one (1) TD. They certainly had some bad moments but they mostly did what they had to do The offense was worse than awful though Because of the horrific TD to end the half. I thought Tua wasn't that good and time and time again the defense didn't capitalize. Tua needs a lot of work. I feel like he tried to give you back the game. I don't think the same effort will be a pretty result against a team that's better coached and has a better QB. that’s still only 1 TD and the only one they allowed. Certainly a brutal play, and definitely very frustrating. They still did their job overall, you should be able to win 80% of the games you hold the other team to one offensive TD. The offense just so happened to be miserable after that first drive. I really wish they would’ve called that blatant PI on Parker, may have changed a lot of things
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 12, 2022 13:35:28 GMT -5
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all these little things that “if only they don’t happen” we could have won are the things that make a bad football team.
People upset about the non-PI call are conveniently ignoring what the real issue was and that’s the terrible throw by Mac.
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Post by cdj on Sept 12, 2022 14:11:11 GMT -5
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all these little things that “if only they don’t happen” we could have won are the things that make a bad football team. People upset about the non-PI call are conveniently ignoring what the real issue was and that’s the terrible throw by Mac. Nah the issue was the defensive back not letting a contested catch guy go up and make a play on the ball by committing a clear and blatant penalty that was obvious live and even more obvious on replay, to the point where the booth called them out on it That was the real problem on that play. The rest of the day the offense was miserable. That drive was great and they got jobbed. To deny that is to deny reality.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 12, 2022 18:01:49 GMT -5
Offense is problematic and defense is pretty good I thought they looked awful on both sides of the ball. Defense gave up 13 points. Looking at the stats, yes I watched the game, shows it was a much closer game that many realize. Across the board the numbers if shown before hand many would have picked the Pats AND if the first interception was called right we would have kept the ball deep in their territory with a first down. How the ref could not call that, he held him for 15 yards and did not allow him to compete for the football when it was up from grabs one on one. That would have the game totally open for who would have actually won it. Just stating the obvious. Defense did look good and the offense very inconsistent but it had it's moments too. Especially running the ball early. The offense needs to be ahead on the board to be effective, I don't see the passing game being anywhere where it needs to be yet.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 12, 2022 18:05:48 GMT -5
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all these little things that “if only they don’t happen” we could have won are the things that make a bad football team. People upset about the non-PI call are conveniently ignoring what the real issue was and that’s the terrible throw by Mac. How can you dismiss a hold that occured for 15 yards and prevented the WR from competing for the ball when it was up in the air. When you win bad throws happen too. The teams by nearly every measureably grade were even. Hell we had more yards on less carries than Miami. Turnovers decide most games in the NFL including this one.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 12, 2022 18:07:08 GMT -5
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all these little things that “if only they don’t happen” we could have won are the things that make a bad football team. People upset about the non-PI call are conveniently ignoring what the real issue was and that’s the terrible throw by Mac. Nah the issue was the defensive back not letting a contested catch guy go up and make a play on the ball by committing a clear and blatant penalty that was obvious live and even more obvious on replay, to the point where the booth called them out on it That was the real problem on that play. The rest of the day the offense was miserable. That drive was great and they got jobbed. To deny that is to deny reality. The 50/50 ball that was under thrown
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 12, 2022 18:08:40 GMT -5
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all these little things that “if only they don’t happen” we could have won are the things that make a bad football team. People upset about the non-PI call are conveniently ignoring what the real issue was and that’s the terrible throw by Mac. How can you dismiss a hold that occured for 15 yards and prevented the WR from competing for the ball when it was up in the air. When you win bad throws happen too. The teams by nearly every measureably grade were even. Hell we had more yards on less carries than Miami. Turnovers decide most games in the NFL including this one. Control what you can control. That was a badly thrown ball and if it wasn’t then there’s no pick and if it’s not caught then the PI is probably obvious to the ref and gets called.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 12, 2022 18:51:07 GMT -5
Nah the issue was the defensive back not letting a contested catch guy go up and make a play on the ball by committing a clear and blatant penalty that was obvious live and even more obvious on replay, to the point where the booth called them out on it That was the real problem on that play. The rest of the day the offense was miserable. That drive was great and they got jobbed. To deny that is to deny reality. The 50/50 ball that was under thrown What? The defender using Parkers shoulder went up as high as possible and just tipped it. You only think it underthrown if your thinking it's a back shoulder fade throw, not a 50/50 ball.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 12, 2022 22:27:18 GMT -5
Converting Jonnu’s contract to a signing bonus was another atrocious move. Now we’re stuck with him another year so we have a little bit more money during what should be another rebuilding year.
But hey, at least Shaq Mason is playing well in Tampa.
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Post by cdj on Sept 12, 2022 23:35:08 GMT -5
Thought Jonnu actually was solid yesterday. Showed he can YAC, which outside of Bourne is an element the team sorely lacks
If Bill/Patricia are going to continue to be stupid and not play Bourne then I’d argue Jonnu is desperately needed, which is sad but it is what it is
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 13, 2022 7:04:03 GMT -5
I'd rather Bourne though, the guy Mac Jones has better Chemistry with. More Jonnu is the reason for less Bourne and that's not a trade off I'd make. Jonnu would be a fine #1 receiving TE if you didn't have Henry and paired him with a great blocking TE. The Henry and Jonnu pairing makes little sense, even more so with Meyers and Bourne. Nevermind the effect on the running game. If MP can make that work he might be a genius, yet you want to complain about last game it's playing Jonnu a ton and Bourne for two plays!
Nevermind if you can't hardly play Bourne, what are you doing with a healthy Thornton?
So I was certainly shocked they picked Jonnu to free up money, making it harder to cut or trade him.
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