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Patriots 2022 Season Thread
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Post by bigmarty58 on Sept 14, 2022 13:25:44 GMT -5
With many signs in pre-season that the offense was not functioning well and one regular season stinker should one conclude that a coach known for being on the defensive side of the ball is setting the offense back, let's see how the game Sunday goes in Pittsburgh. If it is the same, BB will need to quickly pivot to another play caller or risk losing his players confidence.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 17, 2022 15:32:58 GMT -5
With many signs in pre-season that the offense was not functioning well and one regular season stinker should one conclude that a coach known for being on the defensive side of the ball is setting the offense back, let's see how the game Sunday goes in Pittsburgh. If it is the same, BB will need to quickly pivot to another play caller or risk losing his players confidence. If they lose tomorrow they're going to start the season 0-4. I don't think Bill can coach this team out of that hole. They also can't just go back to the old offense either. This is who they're going to be this season if they can't get it to work. A poor showing against Pittsburgh might mean they also won't have any easy wins this season.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 18, 2022 13:09:52 GMT -5
Defense looks good, but not a good offense, but they're doing the job asked of them.
Offense being a dumpster fire would be a compliment for this team.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 18, 2022 15:28:40 GMT -5
I missed first half, yet positives OL gives up no sacks, Steelers had 7 sacks last week. Over 375 yards offense. I like that two back rotation, deadly running those on those usual third down passing plays. They simplified things, not get everyone evolved. Still no connection with Jonnu Smith. Also the chemistry with Parker is just not there yet. It's a big positive in my book, yet far from a finished product.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 18, 2022 19:58:49 GMT -5
Offensive line looked really good. Cole Strange is going to be a player.
They’ve got to figure out the personnel groupings. Jonnu hasn’t won a route since he got here, and they are basically using him as a gadget player.
Mac is reading the field at a high level. But he hasn’t progressed much from a physical standpoint. He’s getting next to no torque from his lower half. His back foot is often in the air prior to propulsion. The way he’s throwing looks similar to Denver Broncos era Payton Manning. The touch is totally there. The rpm’s are like league-wide bad.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 19, 2022 6:50:14 GMT -5
It's still a solid deep team but I'm struck by how little high-end talent we have. A few young guys need to pop more than they have for this team to have a ceiling higher than playoffs participant. Wish the WR run hadn't happened so early on draft day as Wilson, Olave and Dohtson are already impact players. Maybe Thornton will hit his stride when he comes back.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 19, 2022 8:48:37 GMT -5
It’s hard adjusting to being a fan of a typical NFL team again. We have to watch bad football with bad announcers and referees, talk ourselves into this 17-14 victory over a mediocre, at best, team being something to get excited about and did I mention watch bad football? Glad they won but man if things don’t change drastically this year, it’s going to be a long road. The last 2 years we had excuses but those are running out.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 19, 2022 9:20:18 GMT -5
It’s hard adjusting to being a fan of a typical NFL team again. We have to watch bad football with bad announcers and referees, talk ourselves into this 17-14 victory over a mediocre, at best, team being something to get excited about and did I mention watch bad football? Glad they won but man if things don’t change drastically this year, it’s going to be a long road. The last 2 years we had excuses but those are running out. Much like, "if they called PI we win week 1". If Gunner doesn't muff a punt or if Canon offsides was called or there was something about a 2nd INT for Mac, I forget, they lose week 2. Miami looked a lot better week 2, so I have to say it makes the defense look that much more impressive the first two weeks of the season. With that said, the offense was rather vanilla against a tough defense that was without their best defensive playmaker. Also, Tribusky is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. Just absolutely terrible. I don't see how this team beats a Ravens club that just got embarrassed or how they win in Green Bay. That puts them at 1-4 before hosting the Lions who have scored 35 and 36 the first two games. That game is quickly dissolving as an easy win.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 19, 2022 10:42:17 GMT -5
Honest question do people remember the Brady early years or just 2007 and later? The guy with no 30 TDs and only one season over 4,000 yards. That offense was horrible for years, it was all about D, running and Bill making adjustments. The GOAT took years to become the GOAT, there was a lot of ugly close wins before 2007.
I do agree it's a shame we didn't get a top WR, making things easier on Mac Jones.
I just don't get the negativity. You have to talk yourself into a good young QB, a good running attack and a good defense? That's what started the Patriots run 20 years ago.
I look forward to next week, the Ravens D has been destroyed for two weeks. After two good defensive teams we get to see what this offense can do against a bad one.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 19, 2022 11:40:53 GMT -5
Honest question do people remember the Brady early years or just 2007 and later? The guy with no 30 TDs and only one season over 4,000 yards. That offense was horrible for years, it was all about D, running and Bill making adjustments. The GOAT took years to become the GOAT, there was a lot of ugly close wins before 2007. I do agree it's a shame we didn't get a top WR, making things easier on Mac Jones. I just don't get the negativity. You have to talk yourself into a good young QB, a good running attack and a good defense? That's what started the Patriots run 20 years ago. I look forward to next week, the Ravens D has been destroyed for two weeks. After two good defensive teams we get to see what this offense can do against a bad one. Mac Jones just doesn't have the arm to be anything like Brady. Brady wasn't Manning either, but he wasn't too shabby. I love Mac Jones, he's a GAMER and he's incredibly smart. But his physical limitations are very obvious and while that doesn't mean he has reached his ceiling, he's at a significant disadvantage against guys like Mahomes and Allen. I think the Pats can win with him though, I just don't think we should pin him as ELITE just yet and frankly I'm not sure we ever will.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 19, 2022 11:44:40 GMT -5
Good win, always harder on the road. The offense line was good. The defense was good. Mac had time to make throws. Nelson play was unreal. Bourne played more that’s better. Now it’s up to Mac and the receivers to keep building something. 10 teams that lost week 1 won week 2. Next week is a good challenge.
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Post by dcb26 on Sept 19, 2022 12:02:11 GMT -5
Mac Jones just doesn't have the arm to be anything like Brady. Brady wasn't Manning either, but he wasn't too shabby. From everything I've seen Jones throws a better deep ball now than Brady did at any point in his career. I mean, of course Jones won't be Brady, but Brady's ability to throw a football downfield is pretty far down the list of what made him great.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 19, 2022 13:20:44 GMT -5
Bradys arm talent got better over the years, he's even talked about it. Yet was never close to elite, it was everything else that was elite.
Bradys first year 6.9 Y/A and 6.4 AY/A, Mac Jones as a rookie, Brady was 2nd year 7.3 and 7.0. Bradys second year he was worse 6.3 and 6.1, third year 6.9 and 6.7. It was his 5th year in NFL before he did better than Mac Jones last year at 7.8 and 7.6. Even then 2006 he was at 6.8 and 6.7, then his monster 2007 with Moss at 8.3 and 9.4
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Post by cdj on Sept 19, 2022 13:38:41 GMT -5
Good ugly win, that’s how they’re going to win this year. Play good D, run the ball, win or tie the turnover battle
Honestly Mac missed a couple open guys yesterday, that was more concerning to me than his arm. I think his arm is good enough to find success. I think he’s getting used to what Patricia is doing
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Post by mobaz on Sept 19, 2022 13:53:44 GMT -5
Honest question do people remember the Brady early years or just 2007 and later? The guy with no 30 TDs and only one season over 4,000 yards. That offense was horrible for years, it was all about D, running and Bill making adjustments. The GOAT took years to become the GOAT, there was a lot of ugly close wins before 2007. I do agree it's a shame we didn't get a top WR, making things easier on Mac Jones. I just don't get the negativity. You have to talk yourself into a good young QB, a good running attack and a good defense? That's what started the Patriots run 20 years ago.I look forward to next week, the Ravens D has been destroyed for two weeks. After two good defensive teams we get to see what this offense can do against a bad one. Those Defenses also had 2 hall of famers and 4 other guys who are strong candidates. We have a balanced team but I just don't see greatness anywhere on the field yet. Nor do I see them being coached to play over their talent yet. I think we have the potential to be good and make noise, and I like Mac better than most of his QB draftmates, but am hoping for more.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 19, 2022 17:21:51 GMT -5
Honest question do people remember the Brady early years or just 2007 and later? The guy with no 30 TDs and only one season over 4,000 yards. That offense was horrible for years, it was all about D, running and Bill making adjustments. The GOAT took years to become the GOAT, there was a lot of ugly close wins before 2007. I do agree it's a shame we didn't get a top WR, making things easier on Mac Jones. I just don't get the negativity. You have to talk yourself into a good young QB, a good running attack and a good defense? That's what started the Patriots run 20 years ago. I look forward to next week, the Ravens D has been destroyed for two weeks. After two good defensive teams we get to see what this offense can do against a bad one. It was a different game before 2007. We also haven't seen this defense against an elite QB and will get their first taste the next 2 weeks. The next two will help see what the defense could potentially do if they wish to go on a run and even win a playoff game. This team could easily be 2-0 and 0-2. These next two are very important to paint a picture as to what this team is. I'm pretty sure the last few Superbowl winners and losers had an elite QB and at least 1 elite receiver or HoF TE. I like Mac and want him to have at least 3 years before pulling the plug, but he seems to be stagnant in comparison to last year this season. It's great for a rookie, not great for a veteran. I think the coaching has something to do with it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2022 6:24:49 GMT -5
Honest question do people remember the Brady early years or just 2007 and later? The guy with no 30 TDs and only one season over 4,000 yards. That offense was horrible for years, it was all about D, running and Bill making adjustments. The GOAT took years to become the GOAT, there was a lot of ugly close wins before 2007. I do agree it's a shame we didn't get a top WR, making things easier on Mac Jones. I just don't get the negativity. You have to talk yourself into a good young QB, a good running attack and a good defense? That's what started the Patriots run 20 years ago.I look forward to next week, the Ravens D has been destroyed for two weeks. After two good defensive teams we get to see what this offense can do against a bad one. Those Defenses also had 2 hall of famers and 4 other guys who are strong candidates. We have a balanced team but I just don't see greatness anywhere on the field yet. Nor do I see them being coached to play over their talent yet. I think we have the potential to be good and make noise, and I like Mac better than most of his QB draftmates, but am hoping for more. Fair enough, yet Seymour didn't even make the pro bowl in 2001. You have to admit the D looks good for so many new players and young guys no? CB depth that killed us last year, this year Wade and Marcus Jones haven't even played or barely played. Our RB are way better than that year. That team stated off crappy and just got better, something we'd see again and again over 20 years. Brady was sacked 41 times that year, I was darn worried coming into this game after that Steelers team destroyed the Bengals OL. Something people have harped on for months, the OL was crap. My main point was let's give the team time to show us what they are. I'm just so sick of the negatively. Zero issues with wait and see, 0-4 and 1-4 crap is crazy. Let's bitch if that actually happens.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 20, 2022 6:46:59 GMT -5
Honest question do people remember the Brady early years or just 2007 and later? The guy with no 30 TDs and only one season over 4,000 yards. That offense was horrible for years, it was all about D, running and Bill making adjustments. The GOAT took years to become the GOAT, there was a lot of ugly close wins before 2007. I do agree it's a shame we didn't get a top WR, making things easier on Mac Jones. I just don't get the negativity. You have to talk yourself into a good young QB, a good running attack and a good defense? That's what started the Patriots run 20 years ago. I look forward to next week, the Ravens D has been destroyed for two weeks. After two good defensive teams we get to see what this offense can do against a bad one. It was a different game before 2007. We also haven't seen this defense against an elite QB and will get their first taste the next 2 weeks. The next two will help see what the defense could potentially do if they wish to go on a run and even win a playoff game. This team could easily be 2-0 and 0-2. These next two are very important to paint a picture as to what this team is. I'm pretty sure the last few Superbowl winners and losers had an elite QB and at least 1 elite receiver or HoF TE. I like Mac and want him to have at least 3 years before pulling the plug, but he seems to be stagnant in comparison to last year this season. It's great for a rookie, not great for a veteran. I think the coaching has something to do with it. 2001 was the Rams greatest show or whatever they were calling it back then. That's really when the change started and we beat Kurt Warner with all those weapons in an ugly fashion. Tua looked like an average QB against our D and an MVP type QB against Ravens. I have zero issues with wait for the next two, that's different than 1-4 start. It's two games with a new offense, first time OC and you're talking about how much time you give him till you move on? The bigger issues are Jonnu Smith and Parker, not Mac Jones.
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Post by xdmo on Sept 20, 2022 11:37:45 GMT -5
Basically the way I see it is, the Patriots aren't getting past the Bills or Chiefs without a miracle the next 3+ years. Josh Allen is the total package you want in a QB right now. Maybe Mac can turn into a guy who can challenge them a couple years from now, but I don't see it being this year. Not anytime soon.
I hate to say it, but it's fun watching Josh Allen play. The AFC is really tough and the AFC East is as good as any year versus any of the Tom Brady 20+ years here.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 20, 2022 12:43:27 GMT -5
It was a different game before 2007. We also haven't seen this defense against an elite QB and will get their first taste the next 2 weeks. The next two will help see what the defense could potentially do if they wish to go on a run and even win a playoff game. This team could easily be 2-0 and 0-2. These next two are very important to paint a picture as to what this team is. I'm pretty sure the last few Superbowl winners and losers had an elite QB and at least 1 elite receiver or HoF TE. I like Mac and want him to have at least 3 years before pulling the plug, but he seems to be stagnant in comparison to last year this season. It's great for a rookie, not great for a veteran. I think the coaching has something to do with it. 2001 was the Rams greatest show or whatever they were calling it back then. That's really when the change started and we beat Kurt Warner with all those weapons in an ugly fashion. Tua looked like an average QB against our D and an MVP type QB against Ravens. I have zero issues with wait for the next two, that's different than 1-4 start. It's two games with a new offense, first time OC and you're talking about how much time you give him till you move on? The bigger issues are Jonnu Smith and Parker, not Mac Jones. It was the beginning, but there have been a number of rule changes since then. I don't know if Rodney Harrison would have much of a career if he played today. This article talks about why these rules made a huge impact. www.insidehook.com/article/sports/nfl-rule-changes-created-golden-era-quarterback-statsMiami, while impressive against Baltimore, came back in a hurry. They were down by quite a bit, but the offense clicked. I don't think Tua is that good, but his weapons are and TBD on them I think, but I said the defense has done the job the past two weeks, just it'll mean more against the next two teams. I don't think Mac should escape all blame, but I think his ability to make that next jump is being made that much harder by having offensive coordinators who've never been in that position before while trying a new offensive system. Jonu was a bust. No idea what the thought of benching Bourne week 1 was. Nelson looks much better than last year and they got him Thorton (IR) and Parker who now looks lost. They also still have Meyers whose becoming early version of Edelman. He also has a pretty good running attack. I wish they just gave McDaniels a blank check and promise to take over after Bill to maintain continuity with Mac, though the Raiders should have won both their first two games so that's not a good start for McDaniels. I think this year there's a good chance he looks like Mac of last year and year 3 they'll need to see if he experiences growth. If not, I can see a 2nd rounder being used on a QB before year 4 to pressure him. But that's projecting way too far out.
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Post by costpet on Sept 20, 2022 13:00:33 GMT -5
I’m waiting when Thornton gets back and see some Go routes. He could change any game around.
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Post by costpet on Sept 20, 2022 13:00:51 GMT -5
I’m waiting when Thornton gets back and see some Go routes. He could change any game around.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 21, 2022 11:23:53 GMT -5
-NE loses Terrance Mitchell to Tennessee's active roster -Also trading Justin Herron to LV. (NE gets 6th next year, LV gets a 7th)
-Need to make a decision on Ekuale as well (suspension is up) so the latter move might be the space clearer.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 21, 2022 12:51:39 GMT -5
Ekuale practiced today so he does take the Herron spot.
Also, K Tristan Vizcaino added to the PS to replace Mitchell.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Sept 21, 2022 20:49:22 GMT -5
Mack Jones with too many backfoot throws. No body follow through probably due to trust of his offensive line which was stellar in this game for the most part save for Isaih Wynne/
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