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Post by ianrs on Nov 25, 2022 21:31:13 GMT -5
This has got to be one of the worst sequences of basketball I've watched in a long time from both teams.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 25, 2022 21:38:35 GMT -5
rebounding numbers for this game are awful for the Celts
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Post by ianrs on Nov 25, 2022 21:42:41 GMT -5
24 points in the paint against THIS Kings defense is indefensible.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 25, 2022 21:53:30 GMT -5
That's more like it - Pritchard spark plug, Jayson doing Tatum things.
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Post by ianrs on Nov 25, 2022 21:56:07 GMT -5
Refreshing to see Tatum get pissed and play super hard because he knows he should win this game
Great call w energy guys by Mazzulla too. Dude knows how to coach extremely well.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 25, 2022 21:58:04 GMT -5
Refreshing to see Tatum get pissed and play super hard because he knows he should win this game Great call w energy guys by Mazzulla too. Dude knows how to coach extremely well. He does…but he also needs to stop with the 8-man rotations in November. Pritchard and Kornet are clearly good enough to play 10-15 minutes most nights. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 25, 2022 22:03:59 GMT -5
Wow - they really closed the rebound differential. What a blitz. 32-4 run is in progress!
Pritchard sits at a +27 at the moment
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Post by ianrs on Nov 25, 2022 22:13:05 GMT -5
Refreshing to see Tatum get pissed and play super hard because he knows he should win this game Great call w energy guys by Mazzulla too. Dude knows how to coach extremely well. He does…but he also needs to stop with the 8-man rotations in November. Pritchard and Kornet are clearly good enough to play 10-15 minutes most nights. Agreed. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 25, 2022 22:21:01 GMT -5
Bench got minutes - 22 for Hauser, 12 for Kornet, 15 for Pritchard. Starters under 30 - Tatum barely over.
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Post by cdj on Nov 25, 2022 22:27:59 GMT -5
Hauser/Brogdon/Kornet/Pritchard were the difference in this one
Project UniKorn is in full effect
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 25, 2022 22:33:53 GMT -5
So we have Celts at 15-4 (only losses - 2 OT with CLE, 2 with Bulls)
Bruins - 18-3 - losses to Ottawa, Toronto, Florida
As good as possible, I think!
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 25, 2022 23:45:56 GMT -5
Sooner or later the game to game discrepancy in rebounding is going to hurt us. It's easy to overlook when we are flying high, but it is an Achilles heel that needs treatment. Please get us some more Rebounding. Timelord will help for sure, but he will be a work in progress at least for a period. As much praise as Kornet has gotten especially pre-season, the coach appears reluctant to send him in. Maybe he prefers more 'mass'. A Big Mama Jama addition should be in the queue.
The overall defense will tighten up when needed I'm sure as we have proven to have that capacity. But, full game interior 'presence' needs a booster shot.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 26, 2022 10:32:54 GMT -5
I love it Coach knew he needed more energy , calls in Payton and Kornet magic time what a change in the game. That’s a new coach that knows his team. He is the coach of the Celtics.
One more thing when there passing I like the fact that there cutting to the basket easy 2.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 26, 2022 10:46:18 GMT -5
Sooner or later the game to game discrepancy in rebounding is going to hurt us. It's easy to overlook when we are flying high, but it is an Achilles heel that needs treatment. Please get us some more Rebounding. Timelord will help for sure, but he will be a work in progress at least for a period. As much praise as Kornet has gotten especially pre-season, the coach appears reluctant to send him in. Maybe he prefers more 'mass'. A Big Mama Jama addition should be in the queue. The overall defense will tighten up when needed I'm sure as we have proven to have that capacity. But, full game interior 'presence' needs a booster shot. It reared its ugly head against a bad Bulls team, when Kornet inexplicably barely played. He won’t fix it by himself - this team needs to rebound collectively - but he certainly helps. Aside from the not tiring out players in November thing, Kornet and Pritchard are just good enough to play. There might be certain matchups where one of those guys doesn’t minutes, but it really shouldn’t be the norm anymore. We’re nitpicking here with criticisms of Joe, but that’s a fair one. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 26, 2022 21:12:50 GMT -5
Sooner or later the game to game discrepancy in rebounding is going to hurt us. It's easy to overlook when we are flying high, but it is an Achilles heel that needs treatment. Please get us some more Rebounding. Timelord will help for sure, but he will be a work in progress at least for a period. As much praise as Kornet has gotten especially pre-season, the coach appears reluctant to send him in. Maybe he prefers more 'mass'. A Big Mama Jama addition should be in the queue. The overall defense will tighten up when needed I'm sure as we have proven to have that capacity. But, full game interior 'presence' needs a booster shot. It reared its ugly head against a bad Bulls team, when Kornet inexplicably barely played. He won’t fix it by himself - this team needs to rebound collectively - but he certainly helps. Aside from the not tiring out players in November thing, Kornet and Pritchard are just good enough to play. There might be certain matchups where one of those guys doesn’t minutes, but it really shouldn’t be the norm anymore. We’re nitpicking here with criticisms of Joe, but that’s a fair one. NOT criticizing Joe here just wondering about player capability assessment. For all the GM praise uttered preseason for Kornet, early on Kornet has seemingly not played a lot. Perhaps that early praise was a ruse to assuage Cs fans' angst or promote trade interest? Regardless, I like Kornet. He plays very hard, has quickness and has length. He appears athletic albeit not being able to carve out space with bulk. He has some shot block/intimidation ability especially given his referenced 7'2" height. I'm sure that Mazzulla, despite having been intimate for some time with personnel previously, will need to acquire Head Coach perspective for his players' strengths over time. Still, even tho we have given away years of future first round draft picks, I would love to get another interior presence/rebounder. We need to rebound greater than 50% by a margin IMO to reach the promised land. In the playoffs shooting comes and goes... |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 27, 2022 12:33:21 GMT -5
To play one guy more that means you need to play another less. I know this seems obvious, but it’s something to consider when saying, player X needs to get more minutes… ok, but at whose expense? We can steal a couple minutes from Tatum but would those go to a center? Horford could certainly give up a few minutes a game, but it changes a lot when you lose the spacing.
Adding a big would be nice, but it needs to be the right big who gives you something real. So it better be an elite rebounder, if that’s something you really need or a big who’s better overall than a guy like Grant Williams who’s minutes will be affected.
If you want a guy who can play limited minutes but really clean up the glass at an elite level and shouldn’t cost much, Andre Drummond is a guy to target.
If you want a guy who can be insurance for Rob Williams and even Horford then they should go back to Spurs well and get Poeltl. Much heftier cost, but a much better player.
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Post by jmei on Nov 27, 2022 13:10:00 GMT -5
If you were to draw up the ideal big next to Tatum and Brown, you’d probably lead with (1) a good multipositional, versatile defender, (2) low usage and moves the ball well and (3) ability to space the floor either horizontally (by shooting threes) or vertically (by being a lob threat). That describes Horford, R. Williams and G. Williams to a tee. There aren’t really any big men available who fit those characteristics and are good rebounders, so to add rebounding, you have to subtract something else. I’m not sure there’s enough of a net gain to make it worthwhile. Besides, plan A is almost certainly to see how Rob Williams fits before looking at external options.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 27, 2022 15:42:42 GMT -5
Tatum is currently at 37 minutes per game, Jaylen’s at 36, and Smart/Brogdon/Horford are not going to play every night. There are plenty of ways to find more consistent minutes for Pritchard and Kornet, at least in the first half of games.
If the team is fully healthy (including Rob), then the minutes aren’t there for those guys. But I actually think getting them minutes will help the team stay fresher and healthier.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 27, 2022 16:09:28 GMT -5
I’m surprised that I’m saying this, but I’m actually happy Kornet/Horford/Grant for the rest of the season. I am not counting on Rob at all. I think it was probably some Ime “tough it out” bs that had him hobbling around in last season’s playoffs.
So long as Horford’s fresh by the end of the season, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Kornet to play 10-15 minutes a night in the playoffs. I’m not saying you win those minutes, but he shores up the rim defense when Horford’s not in.
By the way, to be fair, Tatum is more of a big than Grant when it comes to his rim defense and rebounding.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 27, 2022 16:14:35 GMT -5
One thing I have liked alot is Brogdon guarding up. I have seen him have really good reps against Julius Randle and Sabonis in the post this season. His footspeed no longer lets him stay with quicker guards. But he has the core strength and smarts to guard wings and bigs in the near and high post. Considering he typically plays with White, Smart or Pritchard, there’s always another guard in rotation that can check a jitterbug.
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 27, 2022 19:25:01 GMT -5
Ok this is a beat down. The Wizards/Bullets should burn there uniforms. I liked Grant Williams more last year now it’s every time go talk to the ref. Or chased the ref down. It’s getting annoying.
I am a Celtics fan but it’s unreal how hard it is for our players to move to the hoop and get your basket but rarely they get fouled? But on the other end you see the basket with the foul all the time.
If this is being recorded somewhere , kept track of I would love to see the discrepancy .
I remember when we first drafted Timelord , the first couple of years the smart guys on the radio thought he was a mess but you can see he had it. Whoever workedwith him to get it out bravo. He supposedly had something attached to him he dropped to the mid twenties . He was a lottery pick. Looking back he was just a little immature but nothing crazy.
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Post by cdj on Nov 28, 2022 0:30:21 GMT -5
Was jaylens night to be the guy and he was the guy
They really started to put the game away when Brogdon/Hauser/Kornet subbed in for the first time. Big energy off the bench
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 28, 2022 6:35:33 GMT -5
If you were to draw up the ideal big next to Tatum and Brown, you’d probably lead with (1) a good multipositional, versatile defender, (2) low usage and moves the ball well and (3) ability to space the floor either horizontally (by shooting threes) or vertically (by being a lob threat). That describes Horford, R. Williams and G. Williams to a tee. There aren’t really any big men available who fit those characteristics and are good rebounders, so to add rebounding, you have to subtract something else. I’m not sure there’s enough of a net gain to make it worthwhile. Besides, plan A is almost certainly to see how Rob Williams fits before looking at external options. I pretty much agree with this except the playoffs are a bit of a different animal. A guy like Drummond could be really valuable to come in for a stretch or 2 versus the right matchup to stop the bleeding and flip the rebounding. He’s still elite at that skill. The problem is with a player who’s not elite at something. I wouldn’t play him regularly but he could come in handy against bigger teams like the Cavs and Bucks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 28, 2022 7:12:51 GMT -5
I actually love that our coach plays guys based on matchup. Example limiting Kornets minutes in bad match ups and playing him more during good ones is a big part of how he looks. Pritchard is hard given so many guards.
Drummond is a prime example of why we struggle versus Bulls, he exposes our issues at an extreme level. Yeah we can use a guy like him, ideally one who's more of a flexible defender because I don't see the Bulls trading him and that could be a first round match up.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 28, 2022 8:19:31 GMT -5
Great win without Jayson - I was busy, peeked in on Gamecast at the end of the third Q - score much closer than the game played out. Train keeps running.
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