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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 7, 2022 18:58:25 GMT -5
Seiya Suzuki 2021 OPS: 1.069 Seiya Suzuki 2022 OPS: .770 Mastaka Yoshida 2021 OPS: 1.007 Masataka Yoshida 2022 OPS: ? I'm projecting something around .750-.775, with a higher average/higher OBP and a much lower SLG. Not to say he's not worth $18mil/year. oWAR might like his stat line. Interesting, thanks. But here's a nice quotation: "For context, the Pacific League (where Yoshida played and highly coveted free-agent Koudai Senga pitched) is considered to be a tougher league to hit in than the Central (where Suzuki and Tsutsugo played)." theathletic.com/3928988/2022/11/23/masataka-yoshida-free-agent-japan/Time will tell! Hope he does well. I’m already envisioning Mario Kart dugout celebrations.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2022 18:58:43 GMT -5
Seiya Suzuki 2021 OPS: 1.069 Seiya Suzuki 2022 OPS: .770 Mastaka Yoshida 2021 OPS: 1.007 Masataka Yoshida 2022 OPS: ? I'm projecting something around .750-.775, with a higher average/higher OBP and a much lower SLG. Not to say he's not worth $18mil/year. oWAR might like his stat line. I know they’re different types of hitters, but looking at this crudely and considering that he’s either a DH or a below average defensive LF, 18M AAV seems like another overpay.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 7, 2022 18:59:01 GMT -5
Better than any of the FA outfielders. Could be fun. I like that oppo shot — play some wallball!!! Masataka Yoshida > Aaron Judge you heard it here first! Aaron who? But a serious question: Would we have been better off signing Beni (not that I'm necessarily in favor of that either)? FG (which is probably low) has him pegged at four years/$56M. He's not considered a defensive liability and is coming off a .772 OPS. He would present less risk because he has played in The Show.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 7, 2022 19:00:01 GMT -5
Updating my new desired offseason plan: This takes them to ~$40M to spend under the tax. Give $25 to Xander, $5 to Rich Hill, $10 to Kiermaier. Trade Verdugo and shuffle stuff around to end up with a righty who can play center/right. Look into trades for another SP.
But they keep doing things I didn't want so they're probably going to give $30 to Rodon and call it a day.
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Post by xdmo on Dec 7, 2022 19:00:23 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 7, 2022 19:00:51 GMT -5
If that bat translates they got a helluva hitter and the leadoff spot issue would be resolved. He didnt come cheaply. He just got posted and signed today. Now that's the aggressiveness I like. Just hope they're right about it translating, but if a .320 career hitter in Japan can't hit in the majors who can? So is he the DH or do they stick him in LF and hope for the best? I'm okay with him taking JD's spot and DH'ing as I don't want to see him in LF and Verdugo in RF. I'm hoping they can at least get a legit RF. I was hoping for 2 of Haniger, Conforto, and Yoshida. I'm not sure how much money is left for another OF, starting pitcher or 2, possibly a catcher, or whatever. Seems the lineup now skews more lefty. I still think they need a RH thumper to go with Story and hopefully X. I am surprised that Yoshida got 85 million. Thought he'd be more around 50 million. If he's a dynamic leadoff man then it'll be worth it.
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Post by taiwansox on Dec 7, 2022 19:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 7, 2022 19:01:39 GMT -5
Honestly, don't know anything about him but love that they spent money on a corner OF. Thank god. Hopefully he is as good as they say.
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Post by cdj on Dec 7, 2022 19:02:26 GMT -5
Love seeing what the former big leaguers said about him
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 7, 2022 19:03:25 GMT -5
Still waiting on that RHH they’ve been teasing…if it ain’t Yoshida, then who? And, as some of you already pointed out, how is Verdugo impacted by this signing?
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 19:03:42 GMT -5
Jonesing for a ZiPS projection
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 19:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Dec 7, 2022 19:04:48 GMT -5
Okay, that Red Sox Stats tweet was all I needed to get irrationally optimistic. Thanks Red Sox Stats!
If he works out in the majors, between him and Casas they'll have gone a long way to becoming the more patient high-OBP lineup I've been so desperately missing the last couple years.
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Post by taiwansox on Dec 7, 2022 19:06:24 GMT -5
Also, I’d have to think bat-to-ball skills are going to be at a premium with removal of the shift. Common thread here: 1. Sign pitchers who don’t walk many batters 2. Sign hitters who don’t strikeout too much
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 7, 2022 19:06:58 GMT -5
I'm okay with him taking JD's spot and DH'ing as I don't want to see him in LF and Verdugo in RF. I'm hoping they can at least get a legit RF. I was hoping for 2 of Haniger, Conforto, and Yoshida. I'm not sure how much money is left for another OF, starting pitcher or 2, possibly a catcher, or whatever. Seems the lineup now skews more lefty. I still think they need a RH thumper to go with Story and hopefully X. I am surprised that Yoshida got 85 million. Thought he'd be more around 50 million. If he's a dynamic leadoff man then it'll be worth it. I agree, they need some sort of RH who can pop 20+ HRs preferably one who can play RF, none really come to mind right now so not sure who thatd be. This has me wondering about the luxury tax as well. Assuming they get xandy signed and let's say 27M AAV that doesn't leave them much wiggle room to stay under the tax while still needing a RF or DH and at least one starter. I wonder if they don't push the payroll up to 250ish which would open some possibilities. Otherwise they're going to need to make some trades, but perhaps trades were always part of the plan. At least we got plenty to talk about now.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 7, 2022 19:07:17 GMT -5
Seiya Suzuki 2021 OPS: 1.069 Seiya Suzuki 2022 OPS: .770 Mastaka Yoshida 2021 OPS: 1.007 Masataka Yoshida 2022 OPS: ? I'm projecting something around .750-.775, with a higher average/higher OBP and a much lower SLG. Not to say he's not worth $18mil/year. oWAR might like his stat line. I know they’re different types of hitters, but looking at this crudely and considering that he’s either a DH or a below average defensive LF, 18M AAV seems like another overpay. Glass-half-full (as a guy who also didn't want Yoshida), his wRC+ was higher than Suzuki's and his bat-to-ball skills are MUCH better so hopefully that translates better to MLB (K% is half of Suzuki's, hard hit % and contact %s much higher), FG gives him a 70 grade hit tool. Anecdotal stuff I read also said he was able to hit high heat when presented the opportunity. By the time the season starts I'm going to be fully sold and expecting a 130 wRC+.
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Post by geostorm on Dec 7, 2022 19:08:31 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Dec 7, 2022 19:11:45 GMT -5
And if it doesn't work out he can be outrighted and enjoy 5 years of buying dinners for his AAA teammates in Pawtucket, er Worcester.
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Post by jmei on Dec 7, 2022 19:14:32 GMT -5
Feels like an overpay on a risk-adjusted basis. But he has a higher ceiling than most guys in this price range, which will be fun to dream on/root for.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 19:14:56 GMT -5
Better than any of the FA outfielders. Could be fun. I like that oppo shot — play some wallball!!! Masataka Yoshida > Aaron Judge you heard it here first! You got me. I mean the reasonable ones?
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Post by levi on Dec 7, 2022 19:15:16 GMT -5
Seems like a bit of an overpay, but they need a leadoff hitter and pure hitter in the lineup. His elite hit tool should allow him to age more gracefully so that's a plus. Fangraphs only gave him a 35+ FV but with the following tool grades:
70 hit 55 pitch selection 80 bat control 35 game power 40 raw power 45 speed 50 field
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 7, 2022 19:16:11 GMT -5
Masataka Yoshida > Aaron Judge you heard it here first! You got me. I mean the reasonable ones? I was just joking, I'd definitely rather have Nimmo but probably not for what he'd cost.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 7, 2022 19:17:41 GMT -5
I was hoping for 2 of Haniger, Conforto, and Yoshida. I'm not sure how much money is left for another OF, starting pitcher or 2, possibly a catcher, or whatever. Seems the lineup now skews more lefty. I still think they need a RH thumper to go with Story and hopefully X. I am surprised that Yoshida got 85 million. Thought he'd be more around 50 million. If he's a dynamic leadoff man then it'll be worth it. I agree, they need some sort of RH who can pop 20+ HRs preferably one who can play RF, none really come to mind right now so not sure who thatd be. This has me wondering about the luxury tax as well. Assuming they get xandy signed and let's say 27M AAV that doesn't leave them much wiggle room to stay under the tax while still needing a RF or DH and at least one starter. I wonder if they don't push the payroll up to 250ish which would open some possibilities. Otherwise they're going to need to make some trades, but perhaps trades were always part of the plan. At least we got plenty to talk about now. Doubt the Pirates would want him and I'm not saying they should trade him, but I'd put Verdugo in a deal with 2nd tier prospects for Bryan Reynolds to get the RH OF bat.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 7, 2022 19:19:09 GMT -5
Kinda feeling so-so on this signing. Would have preferred a duo of Haniger and Conforto, but I’d loved to be proved wrong once we see how his stuff plays this year.
I also feel much like the Jansen signing puts Houck on the trade block, this also puts Verdugo on the trade market too.
Wouldn’t be shocked if a big time trade is coming very shortly…
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Post by xdmo on Dec 7, 2022 19:20:07 GMT -5
I agree, they need some sort of RH who can pop 20+ HRs preferably one who can play RF, none really come to mind right now so not sure who thatd be. This has me wondering about the luxury tax as well. Assuming they get xandy signed and let's say 27M AAV that doesn't leave them much wiggle room to stay under the tax while still needing a RF or DH and at least one starter. I wonder if they don't push the payroll up to 250ish which would open some possibilities. Otherwise they're going to need to make some trades, but perhaps trades were always part of the plan. At least we got plenty to talk about now. Doubt the Pirates would want him and I'm not saying they should trade him, but I'd put Verdugo in a deal with 2nd tier prospects for Bryan Reynolds to get the RH OF bat. Trade Verdugo for Carlos Carrasco and a prospect. The Mets need a corner outfield guy anyways.
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