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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 27, 2023 8:09:25 GMT -5
Guess we've reached the time in the offseason where we are splitting hairs to discuss a possible minor league catcher signing in perez. Catcher is a rigorous position, I don't see what the downside would be to having as many as possible that can come up and at least give good defense at the position.
Right now it's, McGuire, Wong and Alfaro. If two of them get hurt they'd be down to Hernandez who I'd imagine they don't see as a good option in an emergency scenario. Sign all the minor league FA types they can for all I care. Who knows maybe one of them becomes an ML bench piece for cheap this year and perhaps the coming years.
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Post by benfromma on Jan 27, 2023 8:45:03 GMT -5
Most of our moves this season have been looking for bargains and not to boldly get us out of last place. We have acted like a small market team with a real limited payroll. The only move I applaud is the signing of Devers which was a big commitment. This move is for future years as it does not improve this team because he was signed for this year and already on this team. This team is order to compete for the playoffs would have to have so many things happen right and I can't see it happening. Just look at last year we subtracted 70 home runs from our lineup and where did we finish. This year Bogaerts is gone from a power hungry lineup and no sure players have been added. When the answers for your team are questionable players, luck usually plays to much in your team's success. I really hope I am wrong because I love the the Red Sox. Hopefully this is really a bridge year, a team building for 2024 when we will make a commitment to winning a championship. Making trades with future in mind not half in or out, signing free agents that are completely healthy and even maybe costly. Acting like we a large market team not Kansa City.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 27, 2023 8:48:36 GMT -5
Most of our moves this season have been looking for bargains and not to boldly get us out of last place. We have acted like a small market team with a real limited payroll. The only move I applaud is the signing of Devers which was a big commitment. This move is for future years as it does not improve this team because he was signed for this year and already on this team. This team is order to compete for the playoffs would have to have so many things happen right and I can't see it happening. Just look at last year we subtracted 70 home runs from our lineup and where did we finish. This year Bogaerts is gone from a power hungry lineup and no sure players have been added. When the answers for your team are questionable players, luck usually plays to much in your team's success. I really hope I am wrong because I love the the Red Sox. Hopefully this is really a bridge year, a team building for 2024 when we will make a commitment to winning a championship. Making trades with future in mind not half in or out, signing free agents that are completely healthy and even maybe costly. Acting like we a large market team not Kansa City. Are you stuck in November? Not like they spent huge on a closer, or added the highest priced international free agent in Yoshida. Go root for Oakland.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 27, 2023 9:12:35 GMT -5
Most of our moves this season have been looking for bargains and not to boldly get us out of last place. We have acted like a small market team with a real limited payroll. The only move I applaud is the signing of Devers which was a big commitment. This move is for future years as it does not improve this team because he was signed for this year and already on this team. This team is order to compete for the playoffs would have to have so many things happen right and I can't see it happening. Just look at last year we subtracted 70 home runs from our lineup and where did we finish. This year Bogaerts is gone from a power hungry lineup and no sure players have been added. When the answers for your team are questionable players, luck usually plays to much in your team's success. I really hope I am wrong because I love the the Red Sox. Hopefully this is really a bridge year, a team building for 2024 when we will make a commitment to winning a championship. Making trades with future in mind not half in or out, signing free agents that are completely healthy and even maybe costly. Acting like we a large market team not Kansa City. The Red Sox have been looking for bargains ever since they hired Dan Duquette, who was looking for bargains not only when he traded for Pedro and signed Wakefield but also when he bamboozled Manny into deferring some money. He was looking for bargains with Clemens but failed there. Later they looked for bargains not only when they signed Ortiz, but also each and every time they negotiated a contract with him. They were looking for bargains when they signed Pedroia to a long-term contract at about $16M per, but fate did not smile on that move. They were looking for bargains when they let Pedro and Ellsbury and Damon go. They were looking for bargains when they built the teams that won each of the last four World Series. They've screwed up a number of times, but they've done so both when looking for bargains and when not being thrifty enough. Looking for bargains is great!
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 27, 2023 9:13:35 GMT -5
This will be an expensive bridge year. If everything breaks right and everyone stays healthy then maybe the last playoff spot is a possibility. Odds are they'll be battling with Baltimore for 4th place most of the season. They have so many injury question marks in key spots that it might not really matter that they spent on Jansen. The entire rotation outside of Pivetta, Arroyo, Mondesi etc...of course if everyone stays
They should be done for now. The goal should be to get this team ready for 2024 and 2025.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 27, 2023 9:17:31 GMT -5
Most of our moves this season have been looking for bargains and not to boldly get us out of last place. We have acted like a small market team with a real limited payroll. The only move I applaud is the signing of Devers which was a big commitment. This move is for future years as it does not improve this team because he was signed for this year and already on this team. This team is order to compete for the playoffs would have to have so many things happen right and I can't see it happening. Just look at last year we subtracted 70 home runs from our lineup and where did we finish. This year Bogaerts is gone from a power hungry lineup and no sure players have been added. When the answers for your team are questionable players, luck usually plays to much in your team's success. I really hope I am wrong because I love the the Red Sox. Hopefully this is really a bridge year, a team building for 2024 when we will make a commitment to winning a championship. Making trades with future in mind not half in or out, signing free agents that are completely healthy and even maybe costly. Acting like we a large market team not Kansa City. The Red Sox have been looking for bargains ever since they hired Dan Duquette, who was looking for bargains not only when he traded for Pedro and signed Wakefield but also when he bamboozled Manny into deferring some money. He was looking for bargains with Clemens but failed there. Later they looked for bargains not only when they signed Ortiz, but also each and every time they negotiated a contract with him. They were looking for bargains when they signed Pedroia to a long-term contract at about $16M per, but fate did not smile on that move. They were looking for bargains when they let Pedro and Ellsbury and Damon go. They were looking for bargains when they built the teams that won each of the last four World Series. They've screwed up a number of times, but they've done so both when looking for bargains and when not being thrifty enough. Looking for bargains is great! Duquette gets killed a lot here. But he was a master at finding bargains. Troy O'Leary, David Cone, Bret Saberhagen, Wakefield etc...then of course pulled two of the greatest trades in Sox history.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 27, 2023 9:45:21 GMT -5
This will be an expensive bridge year. If everything breaks right and everyone stays healthy then maybe the last playoff spot is a possibility. Odds are they'll be battling with Baltimore for 4th place most of the season. They have so many injury question marks in key spots that it might not really matter that they spent on Jansen. The entire rotation outside of Pivetta, Arroyo, Mondesi etc...of course if everyone stays They should be done for now. The goal should be to get this team ready for 2024 and 2025. I found myself thinking just that. Outside of Devers, Yoshida, and the catcher corps, the position players are in the same boat: all the regulars had injury time last year. Big roll of the dice.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 27, 2023 10:05:33 GMT -5
Most of our moves this season have been looking for bargains and not to boldly get us out of last place. We have acted like a small market team with a real limited payroll. The only move I applaud is the signing of Devers which was a big commitment. This move is for future years as it does not improve this team because he was signed for this year and already on this team. This team is order to compete for the playoffs would have to have so many things happen right and I can't see it happening. Just look at last year we subtracted 70 home runs from our lineup and where did we finish. This year Bogaerts is gone from a power hungry lineup and no sure players have been added. When the answers for your team are questionable players, luck usually plays to much in your team's success. I really hope I am wrong because I love the the Red Sox. Hopefully this is really a bridge year, a team building for 2024 when we will make a commitment to winning a championship. Making trades with future in mind not half in or out, signing free agents that are completely healthy and even maybe costly. Acting like we a large market team not Kansa City. I have good news and bad news for you.
The bad news is that i wouldn't expect any big signings next offseason. It seems to me that they've committed to a lot of guys through 2024, and Devers will be getting a big bump in AAV, so whatever FA signings they make will probably be pretty marginal (though I do think there's a pretty good chance they go over the CBT next year).
The good news is that your entire premise is bunk. There is nothing about this team that is remotely small marketish. Every single year they spend up to or over the CBT. Never this century have they not had multiple top-of-the-market contracts on the books.
Currently on the roster they have guys with the following salaries: $27.5 million, $20 million, $17.5 million (Devers; about to go up to 30), $16 million, $15.6 million, $10 million, $10 million. Two guys with $20 million+ salaries and seven guys with $10 million+ salaries. For comparison the Dodgers have three $20 million+ guys and eight $10 million+ guys.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 27, 2023 10:39:48 GMT -5
Most of our moves this season have been looking for bargains and not to boldly get us out of last place. We have acted like a small market team with a real limited payroll. The only move I applaud is the signing of Devers which was a big commitment. This move is for future years as it does not improve this team because he was signed for this year and already on this team. This team is order to compete for the playoffs would have to have so many things happen right and I can't see it happening. Just look at last year we subtracted 70 home runs from our lineup and where did we finish. This year Bogaerts is gone from a power hungry lineup and no sure players have been added. When the answers for your team are questionable players, luck usually plays to much in your team's success. I really hope I am wrong because I love the the Red Sox. Hopefully this is really a bridge year, a team building for 2024 when we will make a commitment to winning a championship. Making trades with future in mind not half in or out, signing free agents that are completely healthy and even maybe costly. Acting like we a large market team not Kansa City. I have good news and bad news for you.
The bad news is that i wouldn't expect any big signings next offseason. It seems to me that they've committed to a lot of guys through 2024, and Devers will be getting a big bump in AAV, so whatever FA signings they make will probably be pretty marginal (though I do think there's a pretty good chance they go over the CBT next year).
The good news is that your entire premise is bunk. There is nothing about this team that is remotely small marketish. Every single year they spend up to or over the CBT. Never this century have they not had multiple top-of-the-market contracts on the books.
Currently on the roster they have guys with the following salaries: $27.5 million, $20 million, $17.5 million (Devers; about to go up to 30), $16 million, $15.6 million, $10 million, $10 million. Two guys with $20 million+ salaries and seven guys with $10 million+ salaries. For comparison the Dodgers have three $20 million+ guys and eight $10 million+ guys.
My thoughts exactly. I think they try to be respectable the next two years, maybe compete for a WC, while trying to continue developing a young core that will make it worthwhile to add a big name or two during the '24-'25 off-season. That's when the Sale disaster, Jansen, Martin and probably others will come off the books. I hope next off-season is a conservative one in which they again stick to short-term contracts like they did this winter, Yoshida being the exception, and then make a push in '25. I see no reason to go over the LTT this year or next year.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 27, 2023 10:44:03 GMT -5
I have good news and bad news for you.
The bad news is that i wouldn't expect any big signings next offseason. It seems to me that they've committed to a lot of guys through 2024, and Devers will be getting a big bump in AAV, so whatever FA signings they make will probably be pretty marginal (though I do think there's a pretty good chance they go over the CBT next year).
The good news is that your entire premise is bunk. There is nothing about this team that is remotely small marketish. Every single year they spend up to or over the CBT. Never this century have they not had multiple top-of-the-market contracts on the books.
Currently on the roster they have guys with the following salaries: $27.5 million, $20 million, $17.5 million (Devers; about to go up to 30), $16 million, $15.6 million, $10 million, $10 million. Two guys with $20 million+ salaries and seven guys with $10 million+ salaries. For comparison the Dodgers have three $20 million+ guys and eight $10 million+ guys.
My thoughts exactly. I think they try to be respectable the next two years, maybe compete for a WC, while trying to continue developing a young core that will make it worthwhile to add a big name or two during the '24-'25 off-season. That's when the Sale disaster, Jansen, Martin and probably others will come off the books. I hope next off-season is a conservative one in which they again stick to short-term contracts like they did this winter, Yoshida being the exception, and then make a push in '25. I see no reason to go over the LTT this year or next year. Not advocating for going over this year, but I do think there's relatively little downside if they do. Not a lot of QO guys they'll be interested in or coming from the Sox next off-season. Penalties don't change all that much. Will be easy to get under next year if they need to. I expect them to reset but if they're competing at the deadline and there's a guy to get that would push them over the LTT I would hope it doesn't stop them.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 27, 2023 10:50:22 GMT -5
They can make a big signing next year. They will need to get under in 2026 and they only have Story, Yoshida, Whitlock and Devers under contract that year.
We're gonna offer the Korean CF something crazy I bet
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Post by incandenza on Jan 27, 2023 10:58:51 GMT -5
Seems to me that you'd want to go over the CBT in the year *before* a bunch of money comes off the books, and also that you'd want to go over the CBT in a year when your roster is relatively *weak* with controllable young talent rather than when it's relatively *strong*.
I think most everyone would agree with the former point but I see a lot of people argue the opposite in regards to the latter point. The logic seems pretty clear to me though: no team spending over the CBT should be totally unable to compete for a playoff spot unless they've horribly bungled things or suffer a run of really bad luck, so it's not like you'd ever want to just punt on a season. But the incentives are such that you want to reset at least every third year. So ideally you'd time the reset (dipping under the CBT) when you have a lot of young talent to field a competitive team without having to rely as much on FAs.
Last year made sense as a good year to go over the CBT for both reasons (my only criticism is that they didn't go over by more). They should go over in 2024 too because they have a lot of money coming off the books after that season. That means they should stay under this year, though, to avoid the three-years-in-a-row thing.
ADD: So actually, yeah, they could make a big FA signing next offseason, and that would especially make sense if they stay under the CBT this year since the QO penalty would be less.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 27, 2023 11:01:52 GMT -5
Not advocating for going over this year, but I do think there's relatively little downside if they do. Will be easy to get under next year if they need to. Its pretty tought to get under next year. If they go over this year, then '24 is the third year which they have always tried to avoid.
The FA's coming off the books Turner, Kiké, Duvall, Paxton, Mondesi and Brasier making $38 million total. Devers is +12 million, Pivetta and Verdugo get year 3 arb raises, plus 5 smaller arb raises are coming, Turner is gonna cost $5 million without being on the team.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 27, 2023 11:03:20 GMT -5
They can make a big signing next year. They will need to get under in 2026 and they only have Story, Yoshida, Whitlock and Devers under contract that year. We're gonna offer the Korean CF something crazy I bet I could also see them spending a decent chunk on a pitcher on a medium/longer term deal, upgrading the Kluber/Paxton spot. There's a lot of interesting arms (Urias, Nola, Severino, Montgomery, Ohtani) and after 2024 they're only committed to Whitlock from the current staff.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 27, 2023 11:08:44 GMT -5
They can make a big signing next year. They will need to get under in 2026 and they only have Story, Yoshida, Whitlock and Devers under contract that year. We're gonna offer the Korean CF something crazy I bet I could also see them spending a decent chunk on a pitcher on a medium/longer term deal, upgrading the Kluber/Paxton spot. There's a lot of interesting arms (Urias, Nola, Severino, Montgomery, Ohtani) and after 2024 they're only committed to Whitlock from the current staff. The "Chaim Bloom is from Tampa and therefore will never sign a big contract" argument always seemed silly to me. But to be honest I do sort of wonder: will Chaim Bloom ever sign a top-tier free agent pitcher? Those gusy get long-term contracts well into their 30s, and the injury risk is terrifying in the best of circumstances... maybe he just thinks the risk isn't worth it? (Not to say he wouldn't trade for or extend a younger elite pitcher...)
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 27, 2023 11:10:29 GMT -5
Not advocating for going over this year, but I do think there's relatively little downside if they do. Will be easy to get under next year if they need to. Its pretty tought to get under next year, and that'll be the third year which they have always tried to avoid. The FA's are Turner, Kiké, Duvall, Paxton, Mondesi and Brasier making $38 million total. Devers is +12 million, Pivetta and Verdugo get year 3 arb raises, plus 5 smaller arb raises are coming, Turner is gonna cost $5 million without being on the team. Barnes is also coming off and Kluber and Rodriguez on team options. Their current commitment is about $50-$55M under the LTT for 2024 I think after the arb raises. They can make that work if they need to, it's not certain that they'll need to replace all those guys coming off the books. Feels plenty doable to me.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 27, 2023 11:11:45 GMT -5
I could also see them spending a decent chunk on a pitcher on a medium/longer term deal, upgrading the Kluber/Paxton spot. There's a lot of interesting arms (Urias, Nola, Severino, Montgomery, Ohtani) and after 2024 they're only committed to Whitlock from the current staff. The "Chaim Bloom is from Tampa and therefore will never sign a big contract" argument always seemed silly to me. But to be honest I do sort of wonder: will Chaim Bloom ever sign a top-tier free agent pitcher? Those gusy get long-term contracts well into their 30s, and the injury risk is terrifying in the best of circumstances... maybe he just thinks the risk isn't worth it? (Not to say he wouldn't trade for or extend a younger elite pitcher...) I doubt Urias makes it to free agency but if he does he'll only be going into his age 27 season, no idea what sort of contract he'll get though.
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Post by costpet on Jan 27, 2023 11:26:20 GMT -5
Other than Devers, this seems to be a year where Bloom throws everything up against the wall and see what sticks. In other words, see if he can get lucky. If not, it's back to last place again.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 27, 2023 11:35:11 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. I think they try to be respectable the next two years, maybe compete for a WC, while trying to continue developing a young core that will make it worthwhile to add a big name or two during the '24-'25 off-season. That's when the Sale disaster, Jansen, Martin and probably others will come off the books. I hope next off-season is a conservative one in which they again stick to short-term contracts like they did this winter, Yoshida being the exception, and then make a push in '25. I see no reason to go over the LTT this year or next year. Not advocating for going over this year, but I do think there's relatively little downside if they do. Not a lot of QO guys they'll be interested in or coming from the Sox next off-season. Penalties don't change all that much. Will be easy to get under next year if they need to. I expect them to reset but if they're competing at the deadline and there's a guy to get that would push them over the LTT I would hope it doesn't stop them.That would be fantastic! We'll have another off-season of endless, repetitive debate about whether their odds at the deadline made it worthwhile to exceed the LTT! I can't wait.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 27, 2023 11:53:07 GMT -5
Not advocating for going over this year, but I do think there's relatively little downside if they do. Not a lot of QO guys they'll be interested in or coming from the Sox next off-season. Penalties don't change all that much. Will be easy to get under next year if they need to. I expect them to reset but if they're competing at the deadline and there's a guy to get that would push them over the LTT I would hope it doesn't stop them.That would be fantastic! We'll have another off-season of endless, repetitive debate about whether their odds at the deadline made it worthwhile to exceed the LTT! I can't wait. Something about this roster tells me that we won't be having this discussion much after July 1st. It will be more like what prospects can the Sox get for Paxton, Kluber, Jansen etc...
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jan 27, 2023 11:54:25 GMT -5
Seems to me that you'd want to go over the CBT in the year *before* a bunch of money comes off the books, and also that you'd want to go over the CBT in a year when your roster is relatively *weak* with controllable young talent rather than when it's relatively *strong*.
I think most everyone would agree with the former point but I see a lot of people argue the opposite in regards to the latter point. The logic seems pretty clear to me though: no team spending over the CBT should be totally unable to compete for a playoff spot unless they've horribly bungled things or suffer a run of really bad luck, so it's not like you'd ever want to just punt on a season. But the incentives are such that you want to reset at least every third year. So ideally you'd time the reset (dipping under the CBT) when you have a lot of young talent to field a competitive team without having to rely as much on FAs.
Last year made sense as a good year to go over the CBT for both reasons (my only criticism is that they didn't go over by more). They should go over in 2024 too because they have a lot of money coming off the books after that season. That means they should stay under this year, though, to avoid the three-years-in-a-row thing.
ADD: So actually, yeah, they could make a big FA signing next offseason, and that would especially make sense if they stay under the CBT this year since the QO penalty would be less.
My thought is always that you want save your "go-over" years for years when you're in GFIN mode. I see the next window opening in 2025, so I'd like to preserve "go-over" years for that period. That would mean they can go over in '23 and get under in '24 to set up '25 and '26. If things work out, in '25 we could have Casas and Mayer starting in the IF, Rafaela in the OF, McWong (or another low-cost option if Wong doesn't make it) at C, and Whitlock, Bello, Houck and someone from the Mata-Walter-Murphy group playing significant roles on the mound. There'll probably also be at least one guy we're not as high on now who'll emerge. Valdez might work as the strong side of a DH platoon, for instance. That's not Tampa-like but it's a fair amount of low-cost talent in significant roles. And if Story is healthy, you'll have him performing solidly and filling another position on a reasonable contract. If Yoshida is good, there's another starting player on an affordable contract.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 27, 2023 11:58:04 GMT -5
That would be fantastic! We'll have another off-season of endless, repetitive debate about whether their odds at the deadline made it worthwhile to exceed the LTT! I can't wait. Something about this roster tells me that we won't be having this discussion much after July 1st. It will be more like what prospects can the Sox get for Paxton, Kluber, Jansen etc... This feels like a prediction that contradicts itself. If they can get meaningful prospects for all those guys the team is probably pretty good.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 27, 2023 11:58:35 GMT -5
Most of our moves this season have been looking for bargains and not to boldly get us out of last place. We have acted like a small market team with a real limited payroll. The only move I applaud is the signing of Devers which was a big commitment. This move is for future years as it does not improve this team because he was signed for this year and already on this team. This team is order to compete for the playoffs would have to have so many things happen right and I can't see it happening. Just look at last year we subtracted 70 home runs from our lineup and where did we finish. This year Bogaerts is gone from a power hungry lineup and no sure players have been added. When the answers for your team are questionable players, luck usually plays to much in your team's success. I really hope I am wrong because I love the the Red Sox. Hopefully this is really a bridge year, a team building for 2024 when we will make a commitment to winning a championship. Making trades with future in mind not half in or out, signing free agents that are completely healthy and even maybe costly. Acting like we a large market team not Kansa City. I have good news and bad news for you. The bad news is that i wouldn't expect any big signings next offseason. It seems to me that they've committed to a lot of guys through 2024, and Devers will be getting a big bump in AAV, so whatever FA signings they make will probably be pretty marginal (though I do think there's a pretty good chance they go over the CBT next year). The good news is that your entire premise is bunk. There is nothing about this team that is remotely small marketish. Every single year they spend up to or over the CBT. Never this century have they not had multiple top-of-the-market contracts on the books.
Currently on the roster they have guys with the following salaries: $27.5 million, $20 million, $17.5 million (Devers; about to go up to 30), $16 million, $15.6 million, $10 million, $10 million. Two guys with $20 million+ salaries and seven guys with $10 million+ salaries. For comparison the Dodgers have three $20 million+ guys and eight $10 million+ guys.
You can spend a lot of money and still buy a lot of nothing. We see teams do that every year. Just because they spent up to or just below the tax doesn't mean they bought quality performances. There are a lot of lottery tickets on the wrong side of 30 on this team.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 27, 2023 12:08:53 GMT -5
I have good news and bad news for you. The bad news is that i wouldn't expect any big signings next offseason. It seems to me that they've committed to a lot of guys through 2024, and Devers will be getting a big bump in AAV, so whatever FA signings they make will probably be pretty marginal (though I do think there's a pretty good chance they go over the CBT next year). The good news is that your entire premise is bunk. There is nothing about this team that is remotely small marketish. Every single year they spend up to or over the CBT. Never this century have they not had multiple top-of-the-market contracts on the books.
Currently on the roster they have guys with the following salaries: $27.5 million, $20 million, $17.5 million (Devers; about to go up to 30), $16 million, $15.6 million, $10 million, $10 million. Two guys with $20 million+ salaries and seven guys with $10 million+ salaries. For comparison the Dodgers have three $20 million+ guys and eight $10 million+ guys.
You can spend a lot of money and still buy a lot of nothing. We see teams do that every year. Just because they spent up to or just below the tax doesn't mean they bought quality performances. There are a lot of lottery tickets on the wrong side of 30 on this team. Okay, but a) that has nothing to do with the point I'm making, which is just that the Red Sox in no way operate like a small-market team.
And b) I would think that the Bloom critics would at least concede that he's been very good at mid-market free agent signings. For whatever his flaws, if you want a GM to grab you a 2 WAR player for $9 million or whatever, he's your guy. Obviously we'll have to wait and see how it goes with Kluber, Duvall, Kiké, Turner, and Jansen but his track record on these sorts of deals (Renfroe, Kiké, Wacha, etc.) has been good.
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Post by manfred on Jan 27, 2023 12:28:28 GMT -5
You can spend a lot of money and still buy a lot of nothing. We see teams do that every year. Just because they spent up to or just below the tax doesn't mean they bought quality performances. There are a lot of lottery tickets on the wrong side of 30 on this team. Okay, but a) that has nothing to do with the point I'm making, which is just that the Red Sox in no way operate like a small-market team.
And b) I would think that the Bloom critics would at least concede that he's been very good at mid-market free agent signings. For whatever his flaws, if you want a GM to grab you a 2 WAR player for $9 million or whatever, he's your guy. Obviously we'll have to wait and see how it goes with Kluber, Duvall, Kiké, Turner, and Jansen but his track record on these sorts of deals (Renfroe, Kiké, Wacha, etc.) has been good.
The record is good. There have been big misses though. Marwin. Richards. Paxton. These hurt. But I think the question is what you consider success… *relying* on mid-level signings that perform as midlevel signings and then finishing as a midlevel team can be taken multiple ways. If you sign a guy for $5 million, get 1 WAR out of him, abstractly, that is a really good value signing… but if he is asked to carry too much weight, it doesn’t make for a good team. I am not saying you are *wrong* — there have been some nice moves. But I would say the tactics have yet to justify the strategy.
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