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Post by bojacksoxfan on Dec 21, 2023 18:05:48 GMT -5
I found this on the MILB website: Are there different phases to the Rule 5 Draft? Yes. There are also Triple-A and Double-A phases to the Rule 5 Draft. Players put on the Triple-A reserve list cost the selecting team $12,000, and players put on the Double-A reserve list cost the selecting team $4,000. So I don't think there will be as much of a financial windfall That is not correct! The Rule 5 primary phase is $100,000 per player. I do not know the secondary phase cost (if it is the same or different). You are countering his quoting of the MiLB website by just stating that he's wrong while at the same time admitting that you don't know the correct answer? I see your chutzpah and raise you a - no, you're wrong. Which you are.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Dec 21, 2023 18:13:57 GMT -5
That is not correct! The Rule 5 primary phase is $100,000 per player. I do not know the secondary phase cost (if it is the same or different). You are countering his quoting of the MiLB website by just stating that he's wrong while at the same time admitting that you don't know the correct answer? I see your chutzpah and raise you a - no, you're wrong. Which you are. The $100,000 for primary phase is correct. It you need me to quote it like you are in 1st grade. I can.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Dec 21, 2023 18:18:10 GMT -5
You are countering his quoting of the MiLB website by just stating that he's wrong while at the same time admitting that you don't know the correct answer? I see your chutzpah and raise you a - no, you're wrong. Which you are. The $100,000 for primary phase is correct. It you need me to quote it like you are in 1st grade. I can. Everybody knows that. That’s why he addressed the minor league portion that you are willfully wrong about despite being given the correct information.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 21, 2023 21:00:54 GMT -5
I found this on the MILB website: Are there different phases to the Rule 5 Draft? Yes. There are also Triple-A and Double-A phases to the Rule 5 Draft. Players put on the Triple-A reserve list cost the selecting team $12,000, and players put on the Double-A reserve list cost the selecting team $4,000. So I don't think there will be as much of a financial windfall That is not correct! The Rule 5 primary phase is $100,000 per player. I do not know the secondary phase cost (if it is the same or different). The link is old but you definitely do not get $100k for minor league picks. It is likely much closer to the old $12k from the link than $100k. That said, your point that this is like trading these guys for "cash considerations" is pretty much correct. It's just definitely not any kind of windfall.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 22, 2023 9:49:04 GMT -5
The link is old but you definitely do not get $100k for minor league picks. It is likely much closer to the old $12k from the link than $100k. That said, your point that this is like trading these guys for "cash considerations" is pretty much correct. It's just definitely not any kind of windfall. The cost for a minor league rule 5 draft pick is currently 24k.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 22, 2023 10:52:36 GMT -5
There also hasn't been a Double-A portion of the Rule 5 draft for a number of years now. I believe it was 2016 when it was merged into one Minor League phase, with only the Triple-A reserve list protecting players.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 22, 2024 15:44:49 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 22, 2024 15:54:45 GMT -5
Interesting. Having watched him pitch last year I wondered about what I was seeing. There was tremendous effort and a lot of difficulty in repeating his delivery. I guess he was hurt.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 22, 2024 16:10:30 GMT -5
Nerve decompression surgery, which I don't believe is one of the scariest kinds of shoulder surgery
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Post by incandenza on Feb 22, 2024 16:17:35 GMT -5
So after a dominant run in AA Drohan got hurt, stunk in AAA, and rather than identifying the injury the team gave up on him? Or is it that they realized he was hurt and that's why they gave up on him?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 22, 2024 16:30:34 GMT -5
Why are we assuming that he was hurt around the time he was promoted to AAA? Seems way more likely that he got hurt in the offseason/ramping up for spring training (unless it has been reported that he was hurt last year, which I haven't seen).
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Post by puzzler on Feb 22, 2024 16:34:12 GMT -5
So after a dominant run in AA Drohan got hurt, stunk in AAA, and rather than identifying the injury the team gave up on him? Or is it that they realized he was hurt and that's why they gave up on him? I'm sure they deliberately didn't want to diagnose or acknowledge his injury so that he would get taken in the Rule 5 draft. Let's save some time and just go straight to the part where we accuse the medical staff of incompetence and move on.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 22, 2024 16:42:47 GMT -5
Why are we assuming that he was hurt around the time he was promoted to AAA? Seems way more likely that he got hurt in the offseason/ramping up for spring training (unless it has been reported that he was hurt last year, which I haven't seen). Wasn’t there some injury/fatigue stuff that was used to partially write off the post-promotion struggles? I could be wrong.
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Post by puzzler on Feb 22, 2024 16:50:54 GMT -5
Why are we assuming that he was hurt around the time he was promoted to AAA? Seems way more likely that he got hurt in the offseason/ramping up for spring training (unless it has been reported that he was hurt last year, which I haven't seen). Wasn’t there some injury/fatigue stuff that was used to partially write off the post-promotion struggles? I could be wrong. He had a calf issue that he had to come out of a start in June for, but he had already been pitching in AAA for a month and struggling mightily. He was also shutdown at the every end of the season, but there was no mention of injury - he was moved to the development list less than a week before the end of Worcester's season. Zero mention of any arm or shoulder injury.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 22, 2024 16:52:21 GMT -5
Zero instances of nerve decompression surgery for the shoulder popping up on an mlbtr search. I'm guessing this is not a surgery that 100% of experts are going to recommend for him.
Two instances of nerve decompression near the elbow - Tom Gordon in his 40's and he didn't get back to the majors, and Brent Honeywell in 2020 during a years long string of injuries that derailed his career.
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Post by cdj on Feb 22, 2024 17:37:35 GMT -5
I know TOS surgery is a form of nerve decompression surgery, I wonder if that’s what they meant.
Edit: definitely not that as they think he could perhaps begin throwing program by the end of camp
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Post by puzzler on Feb 22, 2024 19:02:24 GMT -5
I mean it sucks for Drohan to be honest, but if you want to see the silver lining - this probably increases (even if only slightly) the chances that he gets returned. If he struggles to get back, the White Sox may decide that it isn't worth the trouble and look to recoup $50,000. In that scenario, the Red Sox get him back and can put him through their new process when he's fully healthy.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 22, 2024 20:23:56 GMT -5
Why are we assuming that he was hurt around the time he was promoted to AAA? Seems way more likely that he got hurt in the offseason/ramping up for spring training (unless it has been reported that he was hurt last year, which I haven't seen). Yeah, I have no information that it was so. It was just visual observation, something I'd mentioned at the time. I have no information about an injury.
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