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Patriots 2023 Offseason Thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2023 8:04:32 GMT -5
Now fill out the rest of the staff: - Patricia moves upstairs - Mayo Assistant Head Coach (sounds like he was in the OC interviews) - not sure he'd get the Def Coordinator title. - Judge to ST - Don't know much about Adrian Klemm as a coach but wonder if they were really interviewing him for the OL Gig while also "satisfying" the Rooney Rule. - I think they'd be wise to keep Caley. Could easily see BOB being a short-term solution (if he does well, he could get HC offers). A couple things: - What do you mean by upstairs? Patricia is best suited as a coach. I don’t care what you call him but make sure he’s coaching. He’s a good coach, maybe just not suited to be a head coach. That’s a different skill set. This team has lost so much coaching brainpower at the base levels and we saw that with sloppy play… think guys like Scar and Fears who were so perfect at the fine details. - there was no reason for Klemm to be a Rooney rule box check as they had 2 other minority interviews as well. Idk if it’s possible to hire him away as anything but a coordinator based on his current contract but I’d be all for him being hired as an OL coach. I disagree. I think he's a poor DC, a terrible HC and an even worse OC.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2023 8:07:24 GMT -5
Belichick really needs to start focusing on succession planning more than he has in the past, and it needs to be more than "hire a bunch of guys I like" (see Patricia, Judge, Steve Belichick). I think O'Brien's stay here will be short (a year or two before he takes a head coach job) and that Mayo is being groomed for the long-term head coach successor. Outside of looking dorky, why does Steve get so much hate? The last couple of years the majority of people would say the defense has been pretty good. Steve is the one credited with calling the plays while Mayo manages the players. Based on the results, you'd think he's doing a fair job.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 24, 2023 8:11:51 GMT -5
Now fill out the rest of the staff: - Patricia moves upstairs - Mayo Assistant Head Coach (sounds like he was in the OC interviews) - not sure he'd get the Def Coordinator title. - Judge to ST - Don't know much about Adrian Klemm as a coach but wonder if they were really interviewing him for the OL Gig while also "satisfying" the Rooney Rule. - I think they'd be wise to keep Caley. Could easily see BOB being a short-term solution (if he does well, he could get HC offers). A couple things: - What do you mean by upstairs? Patricia is best suited as a coach. I don’t care what you call him but make sure he’s coaching. He’s a good coach, maybe just not suited to be a head coach. That’s a different skill set. This team has lost so much coaching brainpower at the base levels and we saw that with sloppy play… think guys like Scar and Fears who were so perfect at the fine details. - there was no reason for Klemm to be a Rooney rule box check as they had 2 other minority interviews as well. Idk if it’s possible to hire him away as anything but a coordinator based on his current contract but I’d be all for him being hired as an OL coach. - I guess I don't really know what "upstairs" means. Just that I don't see a regular "on the field" role for him and he was in the booth when he came back from Detroit so . . . that? - Thought I had read that Klemm was actually scheduled first (even though his interview, or at least, reports of it were after Jefferson and McCardell). Either way, you're right, he (ultimately) wasn't required to fulfill the rule.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2023 8:15:38 GMT -5
We need a QB coach and Brian Hoyer is my first choice. I also don't think O'Brian is a long-term thing so keeping Caley would be great and I wouldn't wind another guy being assistant OC. The more good coaches the better. I'd like a new OL coach or add another assistant.
I get wanting to keep MP and I certainly would if he wanted to. Yet the guy can likely get a bunch of different good jobs. Like DC at most colleges if not in the NFL. Heck if he was willing to take a lower level job, he could likely be the HC at a bunch of Colleges. Like UMass could use him lol.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 24, 2023 8:20:47 GMT -5
We need a QB coach and Brian Hoyer is my first choice. I also don't think O'Brian is a long-term thing so keeping Caley would be great and I wouldn't wind another guy being assistant OC. The more good coaches the better. I'd like a new OL coach or add another assistant. I get wanting to keep MP and I certainly would if he wanted to. Yet the guy can likely get a bunch of different good jobs. Like DC at most colleges if not in the NFL. Heck if he was willing to take a lower level job, he could likely be the HC at a bunch of Colleges. Like UMass could use him lol. Read that Hoyer is planning on playing. Also, the feeling (can't remember which writer but, I believe it was just their speculation) is that Hoyer wouldn't want to retire, get paid less and work longer to do a job that he can do while getting an NFL (player) salary. Of course, that could change if the Pats decide to cut him (note, not a big savings to do so but the dead money wouldn't be prohibitive either).
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2023 8:23:39 GMT -5
We need a QB coach and Brian Hoyer is my first choice. I also don't think O'Brian is a long-term thing so keeping Caley would be great and I wouldn't wind another guy being assistant OC. The more good coaches the better. I'd like a new OL coach or add another assistant. I get wanting to keep MP and I certainly would if he wanted to. Yet the guy can likely get a bunch of different good jobs. Like DC at most colleges if not in the NFL. Heck if he was willing to take a lower level job, he could likely be the HC at a bunch of Colleges. Like UMass could use him lol. In a, "take with a massive grain of salt", I heard on the radio that Hoyer wasn't around to help the kids when he got hurt and has a strong desire to play another season. I don't mind if they go with an unknown at QB coach, but it at least has to be someone you think will be a quality OC some day and not just some experiment with a special teams coach, who (they wouldn't have known this at the time) was the HC of a team whose QB got better after he left.
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Post by costpet on Jan 24, 2023 8:27:40 GMT -5
Whew. Finally. Judge now has to head to ST. Hoyer to QB coach. MP will be somewhere in the club. Special ass. (didn't mean it that way) Need a good OL coach. And a DC. Got some work to do, but heading in a better direction. KRAFT HAS SPOKEN!
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Post by texs31 on Jan 24, 2023 11:16:53 GMT -5
Per Breer, Klemm is meeting with Pats again.
EDIT (Clarification) - Breer saying it's aniticipated.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 24, 2023 12:01:06 GMT -5
Belichick really needs to start focusing on succession planning more than he has in the past, and it needs to be more than "hire a bunch of guys I like" (see Patricia, Judge, Steve Belichick). I think O'Brien's stay here will be short (a year or two before he takes a head coach job) and that Mayo is being groomed for the long-term head coach successor. Outside of looking dorky, why does Steve get so much hate? The last couple of years the majority of people would say the defense has been pretty good. Steve is the one credited with calling the plays while Mayo manages the players. Based on the results, you'd think he's doing a fair job. Not picking on you but you said Patricia was a poor DC but everything you said about Steve Belichick applies to Patricia in the DC role so it seems like there’s a bias since Matty P is very unlikable from the outside.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 24, 2023 12:03:13 GMT -5
Hoyer has said many times in the past that he doesn’t want to be away from his family to be a coach at this stage in their lives so I see very little chance he stops playing and jumps right into coaching. He’s made enough money that the only reason for him to do it is the love of being around the game. Seems like family is more important. It’s a nice thought just not likely based on all the evidence at hand. It’s a fans desire.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 24, 2023 12:07:10 GMT -5
Belichick really needs to start focusing on succession planning more than he has in the past, and it needs to be more than "hire a bunch of guys I like" (see Patricia, Judge, Steve Belichick). I think O'Brien's stay here will be short (a year or two before he takes a head coach job) and that Mayo is being groomed for the long-term head coach successor. I agree Mayo is being groomed and it wouldn’t surprise me if O’Brien was here short term, but also, it wouldn’t surprise me if OC is his football job for an extended period of time in the NFL therefor maybe he’s here a while if he turns Mac and the offense around, of course that might get him HC momentum too but he wasn’t even on radars this year and it seems like there are so many new guys coming up the ranks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2023 12:56:54 GMT -5
We need a QB coach and Brian Hoyer is my first choice. I also don't think O'Brian is a long-term thing so keeping Caley would be great and I wouldn't wind another guy being assistant OC. The more good coaches the better. I'd like a new OL coach or add another assistant. I get wanting to keep MP and I certainly would if he wanted to. Yet the guy can likely get a bunch of different good jobs. Like DC at most colleges if not in the NFL. Heck if he was willing to take a lower level job, he could likely be the HC at a bunch of Colleges. Like UMass could use him lol. Read that Hoyer is planning on playing. Also, the feeling (can't remember which writer but, I believe it was just their speculation) is that Hoyer wouldn't want to retire, get paid less and work longer to do a job that he can do while getting an NFL (player) salary. Of course, that could change if the Pats decide to cut him (note, not a big savings to do so but the dead money wouldn't be prohibitive either). Okay, still would like a QB coach or assistant OC or pass game coordinator, whatever you want to call it. Funny thing is Bill likely has him play all camp and preseason them cuts him on final countdown day. He'll have more time with his family.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 24, 2023 13:05:58 GMT -5
Read that Hoyer is planning on playing. Also, the feeling (can't remember which writer but, I believe it was just their speculation) is that Hoyer wouldn't want to retire, get paid less and work longer to do a job that he can do while getting an NFL (player) salary. Of course, that could change if the Pats decide to cut him (note, not a big savings to do so but the dead money wouldn't be prohibitive either). Okay, still would like a QB coach or assistant OC or pass game coordinator, whatever you want to call it. Funny thing is Bill likely has him play all camp and preseason them cuts him on final countdown day. He'll have more time with his family. For sure. And then he'll sign him to the Practice Squad. Is QB Coach (or the other titles you mentioned) something a prospective OC should have on his resume. I wonder if they'd give that to Caley to convince him to stay (assuming he doesn't get an actual OC job this cycle). Build up his OC resume, perhaps??
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2023 13:08:18 GMT -5
Bill O'Brian as Texans coach, 54-52. Since he left 12-34-1. Watson coached by O'Brian 24-17, since 7-11 and he looked horrible this year!
I think he's a good coach, he wasn't a good GM and he certainly is a very good OC.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2023 13:15:30 GMT -5
Outside of looking dorky, why does Steve get so much hate? The last couple of years the majority of people would say the defense has been pretty good. Steve is the one credited with calling the plays while Mayo manages the players. Based on the results, you'd think he's doing a fair job. Not picking on you but you said Patricia was a poor DC but everything you said about Steve Belichick applies to Patricia in the DC role so it seems like there’s a bias since Matty P is very unlikable from the outside. I was never a fan of the bend don't break and Flores seemed to take the defense to another level after Matty P. I remember really liking Patricia until that Superbowl and then seeing Flores go to work. Maybe he is better than I remember and just have a stale taste in my mouth which then got reinforced by his debacle as a head coach and how much that team hated him.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 24, 2023 14:21:46 GMT -5
Outside of looking dorky, why does Steve get so much hate? The last couple of years the majority of people would say the defense has been pretty good. Steve is the one credited with calling the plays while Mayo manages the players. Based on the results, you'd think he's doing a fair job. Not picking on you but you said Patricia was a poor DC but everything you said about Steve Belichick applies to Patricia in the DC role so it seems like there’s a bias since Matty P is very unlikable from the outside. I don’t think it’s bias at play here. Patricia has been bad in every coaching role he’s held, including DC. Not sure what his best role is, but ideally it’s with another franchise.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2023 15:49:37 GMT -5
MP was defensive coordinator for 6 years, 6 straight top ten scoring defenses, including two top 5, with #1 overall once. We won two superbowls and you would have won a third if Jonathan Jones didn't get injured and Bill doesn't bench Butler for whatever reason he did. He was a good DC.
Flores D was #7 in scoring, Bills son with Mayo 1st, 7th, 2nd and 11th.
I don't get the people don't like them crap either, given Bill and what he's done. How many players have trashed the Patriot way? It's just not amplified because he won so much.
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Post by cdj on Jan 24, 2023 17:12:48 GMT -5
I think Flores was a more aggressive DC but that doesn’t mean Patricia wasn’t good. He led some great defenses. They just had that one bad performance against the Eagles and ppl dump that at his feet, and I don’t think that’s necessarily fair
I think working on the defensive side of the ball Patricia is a good coach. He should be able to find a DC role somewhere prominent, whether that be the NFL or a major college program
I think Mayo/Steve are doing a good job for us. People want to complain about their performances against elite QB’s but there is a reason why those QB’s are elite- and even then they’ve done a good job with guys like Herbert and even Mahomes
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Post by jmei on Jan 24, 2023 17:55:16 GMT -5
I think Steve Belichick is a fine defensive coach, but my point is just that he’s not anywhere near ready to be a head coach and Kraft needs to shut down any attempt to groom Steve at the expense of winning on the field.
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Post by wcp3 on Jan 24, 2023 18:09:04 GMT -5
I think Steve Belichick is a fine defensive coach, but my point is just that he’s not anywhere near ready to be a head coach and Kraft needs to shut down any attempt to groom Steve at the expense of winning on the field. If anyone is being groomed for the role, it’s Mayo. There’s nothing out there to indicate Bill is pushing for his son to be the next head coach.
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Post by jmei on Jan 24, 2023 18:20:19 GMT -5
I think Steve Belichick is a fine defensive coach, but my point is just that he’s not anywhere near ready to be a head coach and Kraft needs to shut down any attempt to groom Steve at the expense of winning on the field. If anyone is being groomed for the role, it’s Mayo. There’s nothing out there to indicate Bill is pushing for his son to be the next head coach. Yes, that much is clear now that the Patriots put out a statement that they’re extending Mayo and he participated in OC interviews. But before that, there was a real sense that Belichick was grooming his son and that Mayo was going to leave if he did not see opportunities for internal promotion.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 25, 2023 8:57:38 GMT -5
I think Steve Belichick is a fine defensive coach, but my point is just that he’s not anywhere near ready to be a head coach and Kraft needs to shut down any attempt to groom Steve at the expense of winning on the field. I'd say you and a bunch of people literally made that up because you dislike him, because he's like Bill and that's bad. Nothing Bill has done supports that, heck it's the opposite. His son has been a coach since 2012, Mayo since 2019. He didn't name his son DC literally giving Mayo off the street more respect than he frankly deserved given zero coaching experience. News flash Mayo isn't more ready to be a headcoach. Literally people all over the internet including sports writers saying we needed to fire Steve to make Mayo happy. Brian Flores spent 10 years as an assistant with Bill in lesser roles and became a headcoach. Josh McDaniels didn't even spend 10 years as an assistant before becoming a headcoach. Given his experience and the success his units have had with him in charge if he wasn't Bills son and acted like him he'd likely be a headcoach right now! There's no difference between Kraft stepping up to pay McDaniels after Flores raided the coaches, than Kraft doing it now after McDaniels did. Yet some how now it's about Bills son and getting in the way of winning on the field.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 25, 2023 9:00:10 GMT -5
Final comp pick projections show us getting a 4th, 6th and 7th. Giving us 11 picks.
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Post by rminns10 on Jan 25, 2023 9:25:52 GMT -5
I think Steve Belichick is a fine defensive coach, but my point is just that he’s not anywhere near ready to be a head coach and Kraft needs to shut down any attempt to groom Steve at the expense of winning on the field. I'd say you and a bunch of people literally made that up because you dislike him, because he's like Bill and that's bad. Nothing Bill has done supports that, heck it's the opposite. His son has been a coach since 2012, Mayo since 2019. He didn't name his son DC literally giving Mayo off the street more respect than he frankly deserved given zero coaching experience. News flash Mayo isn't more ready to be a headcoach. Literally people all over the internet including sports writers saying we needed to fire Steve to make Mayo happy. Brian Flores spent 10 years as an assistant with Bill in lesser roles and became a headcoach. Josh McDaniels didn't even spend 10 years as an assistant before becoming a headcoach. Given his experience and the success his units have had with him in charge if he wasn't Bills son and acted like him he'd likely be a headcoach right now! There's no difference between Kraft stepping up to pay McDaniels after Flores raided the coaches, than Kraft doing it now after McDaniels did. Yet some how now it's about Bills son and getting in the way of winning on the field. I agree, Steve has quietly proven to be a good coach over a long period of time. Ive been asking what Mayo has done to warrant all the head coaching chatter. Maybe theres a bunch of stuff that im just not aware of but him being some super head coach candidate last year came out of nowhere for me
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 25, 2023 19:08:57 GMT -5
It's simply the Rooney rule. I don't believe he was a legit HC candidate. Might have been able to land something like DC, yet I don't even think that was close to a given. Yet you also don't know, teams have a long history loving Patriot coaches.
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