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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 26, 2023 9:14:26 GMT -5
The one thing I’ll add to balance things off a bit is that discounting Mayos playing career is wrong. He was a leader on the level of a slater and McCourty and was often talked about as a “coach on the field”. Now there’s a lot more nuance than goes into coaching from dealing with players from the other side, but being on the player side helps with that. This was a guy who QBd the defense and was great at communication, etc so I’d say he’s pretty well versed in the defensive side of things. I bet with this change you see him working a lot more with things like the offense and special teams. Overall point is you can’t just say he started in 2019.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 26, 2023 10:49:10 GMT -5
BOB officially announced by Pats. He will also serve as QB coach, per the announcement.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 26, 2023 10:52:11 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 26, 2023 11:03:43 GMT -5
I find it interesting people are shocked to hear this stuff and acting like it’s some huge revelation. We all watch last season, including camp. We knew the coaching was trash. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 26, 2023 14:39:28 GMT -5
It's simply the Rooney rule. I don't believe he was a legit HC candidate. Might have been able to land something like DC, yet I don't even think that was close to a given. Yet you also don't know, teams have a long history loving Patriot coaches. Sorry but saying Mayo only got interviewed because of the Rooney rule is insulting and unfair to him. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 26, 2023 15:56:03 GMT -5
Curious, does anyone think the Patriots might be super bowl contenders next year or that they should focus on getting their cap situation straight for 2024?
With 35M stuck to Hunter and Jonnu next year, my preference would be focusing on preparing for 2024 and not reworking any deals that give us cap space at the expense of the future.
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Post by jmei on Jan 26, 2023 16:17:22 GMT -5
It's simply the Rooney rule. I don't believe he was a legit HC candidate. Might have been able to land something like DC, yet I don't even think that was close to a given. Yet you also don't know, teams have a long history loving Patriot coaches. Sorry but saying Mayo only got interviewed because of the Rooney rule is insulting and unfair to him. The Patriots just all but named him as second in line for the head coaching job. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 26, 2023 17:03:45 GMT -5
Curious, does anyone think the Patriots might be super bowl contenders next year or that they should focus on getting their cap situation straight for 2024? With 35M stuck to Hunter and Jonnu next year, my preference would be focusing on preparing for 2024 and not reworking any deals that give us cap space at the expense of the future. The Patriots could cut Henry and save about $10m in cap space. They have plenty of cap space as is, with plenty of ways to create more cap space (like cutting Henry). Jonnu is an overpay obviously, but they don't have a bunch of albatross contracts and they have a QB on his rookie deal. I certainly don't think the money owed to Jonnu should have any impact on the overall roster building strategy for next year, it's still a small percentage of the cap. As always, I want good value acquisitions whether it's through the draft, trades, or FA. I don't want them to go all in for 2023 at the expense of the future, but I also don't want them to punt next year in order to maximize the future. This roster needs impact talent on both sides of the ball, and they have the draft capital and cap space to do that. This franchise can't have another year of treading water or regressing, they need to show real growth or they'll likely be searching for a new coach and QB. |
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Jan 26, 2023 18:01:01 GMT -5
Sorry but saying Mayo only got interviewed because of the Rooney rule is insulting and unfair to him. The Patriots just all but named him as second in line for the head coaching job. Didn’t he get an interview for the Broncos HC job last year too? Either way I can pretty safely say he was not a Rooney rule interview. Pretty clear how BB and ownership feels about him |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 26, 2023 19:17:20 GMT -5
Curious, does anyone think the Patriots might be super bowl contenders next year or that they should focus on getting their cap situation straight for 2024? With 35M stuck to Hunter and Jonnu next year, my preference would be focusing on preparing for 2024 and not reworking any deals that give us cap space at the expense of the future. The Patriots could cut Henry and save about $10m in cap space. They have plenty of cap space as is, with plenty of ways to create more cap space (like cutting Henry). Jonnu is an overpay obviously, but they don't have a bunch of albatross contracts and they have a QB on his rookie deal. I certainly don't think the money owed to Jonnu should have any impact on the overall roster building strategy for next year, it's still a small percentage of the cap. As always, I want good value acquisitions whether it's through the draft, trades, or FA. I don't want them to go all in for 2023 at the expense of the future, but I also don't want them to punt next year in order to maximize the future. This roster needs impact talent on both sides of the ball, and they have the draft capital and cap space to do that. This franchise can't have another year of treading water or regressing, they need to show real growth or they'll likely be searching for a new coach and QB. This seems to be what others think but I don’t think I agree. They can’t get out from all of Henry’s contract and Jonnu is not a small percent of the cap. I think he might even be the highest paid guy on the team. Doing the same exact thing and spending big in free agency is what got us into this mess. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 26, 2023 22:59:08 GMT -5
This seems to be what others think but I don’t think I agree. They can’t get out from all of Henry’s contract and Jonnu is not a small percent of the cap. I think he might even be the highest paid guy on the team. Doing the same exact thing and spending big in free agency is what got us into this mess. Assuming they keep Jonnu, he'll take up just over $17m. If you combine his money with Henry's $5m in dead money they'd total ~10% of the cap. Even with those figures factored in the Pats have plenty of cap space, I don't see the cap as a short term or long term issue for this team. The roster needs a ton of additions, and even if you've given up on 2023 and want to contend in 2024 the build needs to start now. I certainly don't want to strip down the roster and voluntarily get worse, or go cheap and punt a year just to roll over cap space into 2024. The team started declining in 2019 and was fatally flawed in 2020, long before their big FA spending spree. The extended period of poor drafting and development along with the exodus of former great veteran players left the roster in bad shape (the 2020 team as evidence), and it likely contributed to them overextending in FA. I don't think they've done a great job in free agency, but it's not the primary reason for the decline of the franchise. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 26, 2023 23:07:50 GMT -5
It's simply the Rooney rule. I don't believe he was a legit HC candidate. Might have been able to land something like DC, yet I don't even think that was close to a given. Yet you also don't know, teams have a long history loving Patriot coaches. Sorry but saying Mayo only got interviewed because of the Rooney rule is insulting and unfair to him. How? He had 3 years as LB coach on his resume. The closet comp off the top of my head was Mike Vrabel who had 7 years coaching experience and one year DC before getting a HC job. Is there's a long list of guys getting interviews and HC jobs with 3 years LB coach on their resumes that I missed? |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 27, 2023 13:23:40 GMT -5
He was wise to cancel his interview with Carolina. Seems like that would have been a waste of his time.
Saying that he might get interviews for the Rooney rule is not selling him short when that seems to be what is happening with a lot of dudes.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 27, 2023 13:29:11 GMT -5
Sorry but saying Mayo only got interviewed because of the Rooney rule is insulting and unfair to him. How? He had 3 years as LB coach on his resume. The closet comp off the top of my head was Mike Vrabel who had 7 years coaching experience and one year DC before getting a HC job. Is there's a long list of guys getting interviews and HC jobs with 3 years LB coach on their resumes that I missed? There was no reason to include Mayo in the interview process if there wasn't at least some interest in either building a relationship with him or considering him seriously for the position. Teams don't want to miss a rising star. Plenty of other minority candidates interviewed in every process he was part of and lots of other minority candidates with more coaching experience who didn't get these interviews. How about Jeff Saturday getting a HC job with no experience? I'm not saying it's impossible or doesn't happen, we know it happened with Flores, but I don't know why we should jump to assume ugly things that are denigrating to Mayo and to all the teams interviewing him. |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 27, 2023 16:12:37 GMT -5
I love the fact Mayo is staying. I am glad he got more power. I felt that was insulting for him not to have a good title. Obrien is a slam dunk let'see how the fill this out. I cant believe that this organization had to go through this season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 27, 2023 17:27:12 GMT -5
How? He had 3 years as LB coach on his resume. The closet comp off the top of my head was Mike Vrabel who had 7 years coaching experience and one year DC before getting a HC job. Is there's a long list of guys getting interviews and HC jobs with 3 years LB coach on their resumes that I missed? There was no reason to include Mayo in the interview process if there wasn't at least some interest in either building a relationship with him or considering him seriously for the position. Teams don't want to miss a rising star. Plenty of other minority candidates interviewed in every process he was part of and lots of other minority candidates with more coaching experience who didn't get these interviews. How about Jeff Saturday getting a HC job with no experience? I'm not saying it's impossible or doesn't happen, we know it happened with Flores, but I don't know why we should jump to assume ugly things that are denigrating to Mayo and to all the teams interviewing him. Yeah I don't know how you can even type that given Brian Flores last year and other people saying the exact same thing. They literally hired a coach and brought him in just to meet the Rooney rule. Jeff Saturday was an interm coach and it's maybe the most criticized coaching move in modern history. Quick search shows online petition by the fans. Why is it ugly things? Flores was pissed, yet it certainly helped Mayo. Which I'm sure a bunch of people would argue is a big win. The ugly part is what people are saying about Steve Belichick. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 27, 2023 18:06:11 GMT -5
Ryan Wendell (currently an assistant with Buffalo) is interviewing for NEs OL Coach job.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 29, 2023 11:52:31 GMT -5
Ryan Wendell (currently an assistant with Buffalo) is interviewing for NEs OL Coach job. Both a good candidates, yet I'd pick Wendell. It's a promotion for him, Klemm clearly is at that stage where he wants more. Plus Wendell is the perfect example of Bill developing OL guys that were undrafted or late round pick where he coaches them up to get 100% of their abilities. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 29, 2023 12:12:43 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 29, 2023 16:04:33 GMT -5
For all the crap BB takes he can find those undrafted guys and coach them up. I think this is where coach shines.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 29, 2023 22:41:27 GMT -5
There was no reason to include Mayo in the interview process if there wasn't at least some interest in either building a relationship with him or considering him seriously for the position. Teams don't want to miss a rising star. Plenty of other minority candidates interviewed in every process he was part of and lots of other minority candidates with more coaching experience who didn't get these interviews. How about Jeff Saturday getting a HC job with no experience? I'm not saying it's impossible or doesn't happen, we know it happened with Flores, but I don't know why we should jump to assume ugly things that are denigrating to Mayo and to all the teams interviewing him. Yeah I don't know how you can even type that given Brian Flores last year and other people saying the exact same thing. They literally hired a coach and brought him in just to meet the Rooney rule. Jeff Saturday was an interm coach and it's maybe the most criticized coaching move in modern history. Quick search shows online petition by the fans. Why is it ugly things? Flores was pissed, yet it certainly helped Mayo. Which I'm sure a bunch of people would argue is a big win. The ugly part is what people are saying about Steve Belichick. This is the last I’ll say on this since I don’t think it’s a fun discussion, but it’s ugly to assume a qualified person was only interviewed for a job because of his race. There’s reporting he was the front runner for at least one of the openings he interviewed for and that he was seriously considered in others. Like I said (and you ignored) we know it happens, and it did happen to Flores, but if we don’t have any evidence we shouldn’t jump to insulting conclusions. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 30, 2023 3:48:12 GMT -5
Yeah I don't know how you can even type that given Brian Flores last year and other people saying the exact same thing. They literally hired a coach and brought him in just to meet the Rooney rule. Jeff Saturday was an interm coach and it's maybe the most criticized coaching move in modern history. Quick search shows online petition by the fans. Why is it ugly things? Flores was pissed, yet it certainly helped Mayo. Which I'm sure a bunch of people would argue is a big win. The ugly part is what people are saying about Steve Belichick. This is the last I’ll say on this since I don’t think it’s a fun discussion, but it’s ugly to assume a qualified person was only interviewed for a job because of his race. There’s reporting he was the front runner for at least one of the openings he interviewed for and that he was seriously considered in others. Like I said (and you ignored) we know it happens, and it did happen to Flores, but if we don’t have any evidence we shouldn’t jump to insulting conclusions. The NFL has a rule you have to interview people based on race. You don't have to actually consider them, just interview them. How is he qualified to be a HC? Every team he interviewed for hired a HC with 10 plus years of coaching experience. Long list of former Patriots coaches leaving for HC jobs, not a single one with 2 or 3 years coaching experience, not even close as I've pointed out. He's got 3 more years to go till he even reaches Mike Vrabel, he was at four and five years when he interviewed. Nevermind he's only coached one position, further limiting his experience. Mike Vrabel a former player known as a good leader coached LB, DL and one year DC before becoming a HC. That's actually one of the least experienced coaches to become a HC. I'd agree if Mayo was actually qualified, yet I wouldn't have said anything at that point. I'd say the ugly is one poster saying Mayo is a qualified HC candidate, while another is saying Steve Belichick isn't close when he actually has a coaching resume that matches guys getting HC jobs. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 31, 2023 10:55:51 GMT -5
Tyler Huntley, Pro Bowler.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 31, 2023 13:04:52 GMT -5
Patriots signed Lynn Bowden Jr. to futures contract. Which is nice, giving you two potential slot options along with Nixon.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 31, 2023 13:10:20 GMT -5
Tyler Huntley, Pro Bowler. You can make a rather easy case Zappe deserved it more. Same amount of wins, better overall numbers in less games. It's the biggest joke ever, so many better choices. |
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