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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 31, 2023 23:13:24 GMT -5
Eh, Winck was throwing 99 in the AFL out of the pen. I wouldn’t necessarily put a “starter-only” tag on him, especially if he’s mediocre as a starter again at the big league level How many back-to-back outings did he throw?
Not every guy can do it. Maybe Winck can; Crawford couldn't.
Sure, Crawford looked okay out of the pen last spring but his days between outings as a RP were 2, 3, 5, 5, 8, 4, and 8. Then they decided to send him back to Worcester to stretch out again as a SP, with AC publicly declaring that he's a SP, not a RP.
Winck has a similar history to Crawford, essentially never being anything but a SP. Did he relieve in Arizona as a prelude to 2023? I guess we'll see when he reports to Ft. Myers in a couple weeks. My guess is he'll be stretched out, as always, and will start the year in the Worcester rotation alongside Crawford.
If either of them struggle in Worcester, might there be some experimentation with their roles? Sure. But this thread is about the final 26-man roster spots to start the 2023 season. The only way I see either of these two going north with the big club is in a piggy-back role with one of the graybeards.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 31, 2023 23:31:06 GMT -5
As for who will be the 26th man on the roster, it's going to come down to Dalbec vs. Duran on the position-player side. Given all the talk about Hernandez playing SS (or 2B with Arroyo playing SS), it's advantage Duran.
This is especially true given the new rules and goofy bases that should make base-stealing easier. Having a speedy pinch-runner is going to be more important than it's been in decades. With Mondesi on the shelf to begin the year and Hamilton too far away, Duran is really the Sox only option. You don't have to be a paid scout to see that he has lousy base-stealing instincts but maybe he can work on it and the new paradigm will boost his confidence. He'll also be the natural choice to go down when Mondesi is ready.
For Dalbec, the Turner and Yoshida signings, combined with the desire to throw Casas into the fire and Bobby's weak performance when thrown into it himself, have pushed him down and down the depth chart. I'd be stunned to learn that he hasn't been shopped this winter and even more stunned to learn that Chaim turned down any offers. Bobby still has an option left and it says here it will be exercised at the end of March. If we're lucky, he'll go on a homer binge in the Polar Vortex and get moved for a lottery ticket with a live arm.
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Post by scottysmalls on Feb 1, 2023 14:41:08 GMT -5
Random thought on this note, while I expect most of the season they'll have 13 pitchers, 13 batters on the roster, to start the year does it make sense, to go 14 pitchers/12 hitters? Maybe they just wait until Mondesi is ready and keep an extra pitcher (Mills, Ort or Kelly) up for a little while.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 1, 2023 15:26:30 GMT -5
Random thought on this note, while I expect most of the season they'll have 13 pitchers, 13 batters on the roster, to start the year does it make sense, to go 14 pitchers/12 hitters? Maybe they just wait until Mondesi is ready and keep an extra pitcher (Mills, Ort or Kelly) up for a little while. www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/26-man-rosterTeams are only allowed a max of 13 pitchers from opening day until the roster expansion to 28 layers Sept 1st. Then 14 pitchers are allowed. Even if they could though, a 3 position player bench on a team that will need to leverage flexibility as much as the Sox will would be to big a risk, I think.
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Post by scottysmalls on Feb 1, 2023 15:32:17 GMT -5
Random thought on this note, while I expect most of the season they'll have 13 pitchers, 13 batters on the roster, to start the year does it make sense, to go 14 pitchers/12 hitters? Maybe they just wait until Mondesi is ready and keep an extra pitcher (Mills, Ort or Kelly) up for a little while. www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/26-man-rosterTeams are only allowed a max of 13 pitchers from opening day until the roster expansion to 28 layers Sept 1st. Then 14 pitchers are allowed. Even if they could though, a 3 position player bench on a team that will need to leverage flexibility as much as the Sox will would be to big a risk, I think. Wow thanks, had no idea. To be clear on my thought it wasn't to do that indefinitely, but for a week or so it could help ease arms in and have an added guy to soak up low leverage innings. Moot anyhow.
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Post by mparker on Feb 26, 2023 21:57:52 GMT -5
Is it crazy to want Ryan Fitzgerald on the open day 26 man roster over Yu Chang?
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Post by tjb21 on Feb 27, 2023 8:54:56 GMT -5
Is it crazy to want Ryan Fitzgerald on the open day 26 man roster over Yu Chang? Yes.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 26, 2023 10:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by rico6 on Mar 27, 2023 17:28:29 GMT -5
Looks like Tapia is either headed to another team or AAA. It's a shame that Tapia doesn't have a spot on the 26-man. Duran should be playing everyday in AAA rather than riding the bench in the majors. Tapia is content with the bench spot and has value in a reserve role.
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Post by carl4sox on Mar 27, 2023 17:44:53 GMT -5
Looks like Tapia is either headed to another team or AAA. It's a shame that Tapia doesn't have a spot on the 26-man. Duran should be playing everyday in AAA rather than riding the bench in the majors. Tapia is content with the bench spot and has value in a reserve role. But it's Abraham. Wait to read verification.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 27, 2023 19:00:57 GMT -5
Looks like Tapia is either headed to another team or AAA. It's a shame that Tapia doesn't have a spot on the 26-man. Duran should be playing everyday in AAA rather than riding the bench in the majors. Tapia is content with the bench spot and has value in a reserve role. That's not how I read this at all. It's his opt-out. His agent is going to go do his due diligence. If there's interest he'll exercise the opt out which means the Red Sox need to add him or let him go. If there isn't, he might not.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 27, 2023 20:16:52 GMT -5
Looks like Tapia is either headed to another team or AAA. It's a shame that Tapia doesn't have a spot on the 26-man. Duran should be playing everyday in AAA rather than riding the bench in the majors. Tapia is content with the bench spot and has value in a reserve role. That's not how I read this at all. It's his opt-out. His agent is going to go do his due diligence. If there's interest he'll exercise the opt out which means the Red Sox need to add him or let him go. If there isn't, he might not. Yup, that's how I read it, too. I didnt read it as Abraham saying that Tapia has been told whether he's made the team or not. But his agent would be pretty foolish if he wasn't working on lining up his client for another gig if the Sox fall through. He should be able to make somebody's bench as a 4th OF, if not the Sox. Anything can happen but I'd be kind of surprised if Tapia doesnt make the Sox roster. Not that he's an all star or anything but I just think Duran is best served playing every day and that's not happening in Boston unless there's an injury.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 28, 2023 16:30:06 GMT -5
Duran optioned to AAA, which means Tapia probably is on the roster.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Mar 28, 2023 16:35:51 GMT -5
Duran optioned to AAA, which means Tapia probably is on the roster. That is good news. Even today, Duran looked sub par in the OF. Both with playing a ball off the wall and with making a poor throw in. Tapia is a well rounded player and good fit what what the team needs.
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Post by backwardsk on Mar 28, 2023 16:50:51 GMT -5
Still interested to see who's getting DFA'd from other teams, who's available and what trades might be available.
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 28, 2023 16:53:41 GMT -5
If Bello and/or Whitlock is expected to return very shortly is there a chance the team DFAs Ort, keeps a 5 man bench and rolls with 12 pitchers for a few days?
add: Maybe unlikely given they already optioned Dalbec and Duran, but not sure how much to read into that. If they don't do this they need a trade or a different DFA to keep 13 pitchers.
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Post by backwardsk on Mar 28, 2023 17:04:52 GMT -5
If Bello and/or Whitlock is expected to return very shortly is there a chance the team DFAs Ort, keeps a 5 man bench and rolls with 12 pitchers for a few days? add: Maybe unlikely given they already optioned Dalbec and Duran, but not sure how much to read into that. If they don't do this they need a trade or a different DFA to keep 13 pitchers. When they come back, that's probably when you see the Winkowski, Crawford, Zach Kelly, and Wyatt Mills battle it out for spots.
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Post by radiohix on Mar 28, 2023 17:06:44 GMT -5
I don't think that Tapia is the kind of talent that you create a roster spot for but on the other hand DFA'ing Ort is not that big of a deal...so whatever
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 28, 2023 17:53:04 GMT -5
Enmanuel Valdez gonna make his major league debut before Mondesi comes off the 60 day IL
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Post by incandenza on Mar 28, 2023 17:55:35 GMT -5
Does the clock on Mondesi's 60-day IL start now or can it be back-dated to last season?
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 28, 2023 18:17:18 GMT -5
Does the clock on Mondesi's 60-day IL start now or can it be back-dated to last season? Now, so he can come back end of May
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 28, 2023 20:05:29 GMT -5
Bummer about Mondesi, but always felt like he was going to need at least most of April to come back, if they think he wouldn't have been ready until mid-May I can see the value of the roster spot til then. Gets him healthy and gives him essentially the equivalent of a full spring training to join the team. Plus they keep Chang/Tapia longer for further evaluation.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Mar 28, 2023 21:17:26 GMT -5
Really happy with Tapia's likely addition - as well as Wong. For me, jury is out on Chang. Also that Dalbec and Duran will be back at AAA is a bit sad for both of them. Looking at the likely 26, I still see a .500ish team. Hope I am wrong.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 30, 2023 8:25:35 GMT -5
Reminder that Kaleb Ort was throwing 100 at the end of last year and has a legit slider.
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Post by cdj on Mar 30, 2023 8:48:53 GMT -5
people will quickly forget his spring if he has a good first week
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