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4/10-4/13 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by backwardsk on Apr 11, 2023 22:28:52 GMT -5
It's officially way past time to start worry whether this offense is capable of bringing the Sox above .500 winning baseball by the end of the year.
No thump. Bottom of the lineup is littered with holes. Casas and Yoshida aren't hitting their weight.
It's sort of Devers and then pray for rain 8 times through the lineup.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 11, 2023 22:57:03 GMT -5
It's officially way past time to start worry whether this offense is capable of bringing the Sox above .500 winning baseball by the end of the year. We're two weeks into the season and they're 4th out of 30 teams in runs scored.
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Post by backwardsk on Apr 12, 2023 5:18:06 GMT -5
It's officially way past time to start worry whether this offense is capable of bringing the Sox above .500 winning baseball by the end of the year. We're two weeks into the season and they're 4th out of 30 teams in runs scored.
I'd bet Duvall's hot streak made up for probably 40% of that offense.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 12, 2023 6:57:15 GMT -5
Offense might have cooled off but the offense didn't get torched for 7 runs. This team has problems throwing the ball. Either over the plate or throwing out runners.
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Post by baseballguy350 on Apr 12, 2023 6:57:58 GMT -5
Well folks... it's time. Bumping this from last September. I'll be in attendance tomorrow. Make your wagers properly. Also can add I was at Brady's loss to the Cowboys in the playoffs. The mush lives on! Statistically improbable to hate the Trop more than I do... In games that I have attended:Last Night July 12 - 3-2 Loss (Story HBP Injury and Comedy of Throwing Errors) April 23 - 3-2 Loss (Kiermaier Walk Off HR in 10th) January 9, 2022 - BONUS Patriots lose at Dolphins October 7, 2021 - ALDS Game 1 - 5-0 Loss (Arozarena Steals Home + Cruz HR off the catwalk I thought Kiké was going to catch) September 12, 2021 - BONUS Patriots lose at Dolphins August 30, 2021 - 6-1 Loss (Nothing memorable happened!) July 31, 2021 - 9-5 Loss (Fall to second place) June 24, 2021 - 1-0 Loss (Barnes Wild Pitch WalkOff after the Pivetta No-No) September 23, 2019 - 7-4 Loss (Betts ridiculous throw from right field) December 9, 2018 - BONUS Miami Miracle - Patriots Lose on the ridiculous hook and ladder, why the F was Gronk playing free safety? May 24, 2018 - 6-3 Loss (I don't remember this game) April 30, 2018 - BONUS Bruins Lose 4-2 vs. Lightning in ECSemis March 29, 2018 - 6-4 Loss (Opening Day) October 5, 2017 - Patriots Beat the Bucs at Raymond James - The last Boston team win I saw in person in Florida.To be fair, I saw Verdugo walk off the Indians last year at Fenway (9/4) It's more than a running joke at this point. You could make some serious money fading me when I'm in attendance. 0-9 at The Trop. I feel like I did see a win in 2016, but I can't find tickets in my StubHub account that show I went.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 7:03:13 GMT -5
It's officially way past time to start worry whether this offense is capable of bringing the Sox above .500 winning baseball by the end of the year. We're two weeks into the season and they're 4th out of 30 teams in runs scored.
Take Duvall's stats out of the data - the Sox are hitting .222 with 11 HR and 43 RBI Refsnyder, Wong, Casas, Kiké, Arroyo, Yoshida and Turner are a combined 36 for 221 - .163-5-27 not the start any Sox fan hoped for.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 12, 2023 7:18:46 GMT -5
Well folks... it's time. Bumping this from last September. I'll be in attendance tomorrow. Make your wagers properly. Also can add I was at Brady's loss to the Cowboys in the playoffs. The mush lives on! Statistically improbable to hate the Trop more than I do... In games that I have attended:Last Night July 12 - 3-2 Loss (Story HBP Injury and Comedy of Throwing Errors) April 23 - 3-2 Loss (Kiermaier Walk Off HR in 10th) January 9, 2022 - BONUS Patriots lose at Dolphins October 7, 2021 - ALDS Game 1 - 5-0 Loss (Arozarena Steals Home + Cruz HR off the catwalk I thought Kiké was going to catch) September 12, 2021 - BONUS Patriots lose at Dolphins August 30, 2021 - 6-1 Loss (Nothing memorable happened!) July 31, 2021 - 9-5 Loss (Fall to second place) June 24, 2021 - 1-0 Loss (Barnes Wild Pitch WalkOff after the Pivetta No-No) September 23, 2019 - 7-4 Loss (Betts ridiculous throw from right field) December 9, 2018 - BONUS Miami Miracle - Patriots Lose on the ridiculous hook and ladder, why the F was Gronk playing free safety? May 24, 2018 - 6-3 Loss (I don't remember this game) April 30, 2018 - BONUS Bruins Lose 4-2 vs. Lightning in ECSemis March 29, 2018 - 6-4 Loss (Opening Day) October 5, 2017 - Patriots Beat the Bucs at Raymond James - The last Boston team win I saw in person in Florida.To be fair, I saw Verdugo walk off the Indians last year at Fenway (9/4) It's more than a running joke at this point. You could make some serious money fading me when I'm in attendance. 0-9 at The Trop. I feel like I did see a win in 2016, but I can't find tickets in my StubHub account that show I went. Did win 1k last night off the Parades homer (sorry) someone had to hit a homer that inning to pay out... But this is good to know for DK purposes
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 12, 2023 8:06:19 GMT -5
The Rays as a team have a 165 wRC+ to start the year.. that is absurd. They’ve had a 40% better offense than the second place Jays.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2023 8:55:38 GMT -5
Take Duvall's stats out of the data - the Sox are hitting .222 with 11 HR and 43 RBI Refsnyder, Wong, Casas, Kiké, Arroyo, Yoshida and Turner are a combined 36 for 221 - .163-5-27 not the start any Sox fan hoped for. Casas being a rookie, we should expect a steep learning curve. Ditto with Yoshida coming to a new league. Other than that, the guys in bold are bench players/utility guys on most competitive teams. Turner is 38. He's getting on base at a decent clip - and may even be a better choice to be a lead-off batter vs. lefties, but he's yet to find his pop. There's a lot of hope and risk in this year's roster construction.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 12, 2023 8:57:09 GMT -5
i wouldn't read to much of that. that is kind of how the site operates. Everyone checks in on the kids. The game thread gets the most posts and when things go badly, it becomes a smorgasbord of what went / is wrong. It can get kind of interesting to be honest. LOL. Can't make to much out of an individual game or series during the year. Long way to go. We all can agree this is a bridge year. We have the best system we’ve had in years so why not shift some of the focus on the kids? So, 2027 the team statements on "fielding a playoff contender" will finally be true? Asking for a friend...
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 12, 2023 9:01:50 GMT -5
every damn gamethread will just be arguing the same damn subjects over and over and over and over again aren't they?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Apr 12, 2023 9:02:31 GMT -5
Take Duvall's stats out of the data - the Sox are hitting .222 with 11 HR and 43 RBI Refsnyder, Wong, Casas, Kiké, Arroyo, Yoshida and Turner are a combined 36 for 221 - .163-5-27 not the start any Sox fan hoped for. Casas being a rookie, we should expect a steep learning curve. Ditto with Yoshida coming to a new league. Other than that, the guys in bold are bench players/utility guys on most competitive teams. Turner is 38. He's getting on base at a decent clip - and may even be a better choice to be a lead-off batter vs. lefties, but he's yet to find his pop. There's a lot of hope and risk in this year's roster construction. I'll say this, Casas is probably the most promising power bat to come out of this system in recent memory. There's going to be a learning curve but he should still be good for 20 homers. Duvalls hot start did spike the numbers, however Devers should be better going forward and it would be impossible for Kiké to be worse. So that should offset relying on Duvalls hot start.
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Post by art on Apr 12, 2023 9:09:04 GMT -5
but Bloom came from the org. so they likely aren't doing anything he doesn't know, i would guess. I am really suspect of our player development machine. Beni was the last homegrown prospect to pan out, and its not like the Rays and Dodgers haven’t been successful and had their draft spot impacted by that, but both clubs are leaps and bounds better at developing guys, both pitchers and position players. I think this group lives too much in the past successes on development, and it shows. You have to go back like 3 regimes to find a successful starter we developed (Clay, Lester). I think player development needs a major shakeup. What makes you think the problem is player development rather than talent evaluation? The best talent evaluation staff might be worth a lot more than the best player in baseball. No salary cap on scouting.
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Post by manfred on Apr 12, 2023 9:25:49 GMT -5
every damn gamethread will just be arguing the same damn subjects over and over and over and over again aren't they? Naw…. Not wins.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 9:31:30 GMT -5
Yoshida: .216/.356/.324; 70% ground ball rate, 15% walk rate, 6.7% K rate PLAYER X: .190/.358/.381; 59% ground ball rate, 20% walk rate, 18.9% K rate Player X is Juan Soto. Adam Jones (the baseball player, not the atrocity of a sports radio host) was telling the truth, guys!
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 12, 2023 9:48:28 GMT -5
I am really suspect of our player development machine. Beni was the last homegrown prospect to pan out, and its not like the Rays and Dodgers haven’t been successful and had their draft spot impacted by that, but both clubs are leaps and bounds better at developing guys, both pitchers and position players. I think this group lives too much in the past successes on development, and it shows. You have to go back like 3 regimes to find a successful starter we developed (Clay, Lester). I think player development needs a major shakeup. What makes you think the problem is player development rather than talent evaluation? The best talent evaluation staff might be worth a lot more than the best player in baseball. No salary cap on scouting. Fair question, and I think its development because how many guys now have we seen go elsewhere and suddenly figure it out? But to your point, I think it's a blend of both, and the same guys who are responsible for talent evaluation are the same guys involved in developing that talent so it's a vicious cycle.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Apr 12, 2023 10:27:10 GMT -5
What makes you think the problem is player development rather than talent evaluation? The best talent evaluation staff might be worth a lot more than the best player in baseball. No salary cap on scouting. Fair question, and I think its development because how many guys now have we seen go elsewhere and suddenly figure it out? But to your point, I think it's a blend of both, and the same guys who are responsible for talent evaluation are the same guys involved in developing that talent so it's a vicious cycle. Won't Franchy be a good test case!? Multiple chances here, goes to mfy and starts bashing. If he keeps it up, fingers have to point to how we develop/prep our players for the bigs.
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Post by Canseco on Apr 12, 2023 10:49:15 GMT -5
Fair question, and I think its development because how many guys now have we seen go elsewhere and suddenly figure it out? But to your point, I think it's a blend of both, and the same guys who are responsible for talent evaluation are the same guys involved in developing that talent so it's a vicious cycle. Won't Franchy be a good test case!? Multiple chances here, goes to mfy and starts bashing. If he keeps it up, fingers have to point to how we develop/prep our players for the bigs. We might just need to hire away one of the MFY’s… uhhhhhh… dietitians.
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Post by manfred on Apr 12, 2023 10:58:57 GMT -5
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Stop the Franchy fretting. Instead, enjoy the tease the Yankee fans are getting…. and grab popcorn for when he starts flailing at breakballs again.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2023 10:59:33 GMT -5
Fair question, and I think its development because how many guys now have we seen go elsewhere and suddenly figure it out? But to your point, I think it's a blend of both, and the same guys who are responsible for talent evaluation are the same guys involved in developing that talent so it's a vicious cycle. Won't Franchy be a good test case!? Multiple chances here, goes to mfy and starts bashing. If he keeps it up, fingers have to point to how we develop/prep our players for the bigs. Franchy didn't find it in San Diego. Didn't find it in KC. Didn't find it in Boston. Baltimore released him.
No, if he does find it in New York, we're just dealing with standard-issue Yankees black magic, the same stuff that turns Luke Voit, Gio Urshela, Matt Carpenter, and a dozen other guys into Barry Bonds for like a few months right when they need them to before they drift off to some other organization and are never heard from again.
Meanwhile, the Red Sox have done a pretty good job of finding these diamonds in the rough themselves - Kiké, Renfroe, Whitlock, Wacha, Refsnyder, McGuire, Schreiber, Duvall for one magical week... all guys who exceeded any reasonable expectation of what they might contribute.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 12, 2023 11:16:08 GMT -5
Somewhere there is a Blue Jays or White Sox fan absolutely losing their mind that Reese McGuire is hitting .345 with the Red Sox
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Post by manfred on Apr 12, 2023 11:21:39 GMT -5
Baseball reference has the Sox at 1.9% to make the playoffs. How is that possible?? After 11 games, I’d give the Tigers a >0% chance. Planes crash. Disease spreads. Who knows? But the Sox surely have more of a path than that.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 12, 2023 11:35:24 GMT -5
Baseball reference has the Sox at 1.9% to make the playoffs. How is that possible?? After 11 games, I’d give the Tigers a >0% chance. Planes crash. Disease spreads. Who knows? But the Sox surely have more of a path than that. Yeah that's silly. They're *an order of magitude* off from what fangraphs has. And they give a 90% confidence rating that the Red Sox will lose 80 games or more.
99.8% odds for the Dodgers to make the playoffs is similarly overconfident.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 12, 2023 12:20:16 GMT -5
Somewhere there is a Blue Jays or White Sox fan absolutely losing their mind that Reese McGuire is hitting .345 with the Red Sox I doubt it’s the Blue Jays. They have a 24 year old all-star catcher on the roster now.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 12, 2023 12:22:08 GMT -5
How much longer will teams pitch to Devers? Just put him on and own the rest of the lineup instead. Seems obvious.
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