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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 20:14:52 GMT -5
Guys... I'd rather have Eovaldi than Kluber. I've officially changed my tune. We'll see about next year. Kluber promises to be even worse next year as his velocity continues to decline. They really should have kept Eovaldi and that's not second guessing. Yeah, they saved money....and yes I get that it was spent on other resources but they'd have been able to go over the limit had they ducked under last July. Even if they didn't, aren't they about 12 million under? They could have circled back to Eovaldi. Kluber is washed up. Eovaldi can still pitch. So now the Sox will have to spend talent resources to get a Lucas Giolito or whoever come this July. I'd rather have spent the extra $7 to $9 million on Eovaldi. I'd take my chances with a potential postseason rotation of Sale/Bello/Eovaldi/Paxton (if he were to stay healthy). The problem is they have 4 starters for 2 spots and Pivetta and Kluber clearly don't deserve starting pitching spots and Houck is better in the pen and you can make the point that Whitlock is, too. The best Sox 5 rotation has Houck and Whitlock joining Sale/Bello, and Paxton, but the pen can use help and Pivetta and Kluber won't help the pen at all. Houck and/or Whitlock would help the pen immensely.
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Post by radiohix on May 14, 2023 20:17:14 GMT -5
I gotta say: I’ve been underwhelmed by Casas’ défense so far this year. As I was saying.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 14, 2023 20:20:33 GMT -5
When you're hot you're hot. When you're not, you're not. For awhile the Red Sox were the former. Now, the latter
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Post by incandenza on May 14, 2023 20:22:18 GMT -5
I'm late to this but... the streak is at 23!!!
Can't believe they interviewed the guy for a whole inning and never even mentioned it. History is being made here, people.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 14, 2023 20:22:27 GMT -5
What Braiser do we get here It's always the sucky one. Or the sucky one. Those are the only two Brasiers I know.
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2023 20:24:41 GMT -5
We'll see about next year. Kluber promises to be even worse next year as his velocity continues to decline. They really should have kept Eovaldi and that's not second guessing. Yeah, they saved money....and yes I get that it was spent on other resources but they'd have been able to go over the limit had they ducked under last July. Even if they didn't, aren't they about 12 million under? They could have circled back to Eovaldi. Kluber is washed up. Eovaldi can still pitch. So now the Sox will have to spend talent resources to get a Lucas Giolito or whoever come this July. I'd rather have spent the extra $7 to $9 million on Eovaldi. I'd take my chances with a potential postseason rotation of Sale/Bello/Eovaldi/Paxton (if he were to stay healthy). The problem is they have 4 starters for 2 spots and Pivetta and Kluber clearly don't deserve starting pitching spots and Houck is better in the pen and you can make the point that Whitlock is, too. The best Sox 5 rotation has Houck and Whitlock joining Sale/Bello, and Paxton, but the pen can use help and Pivetta and Kluber won't help the pen at all. Houck and/or Whitlock would help the pen immensely. I believe I read that the Sox offered Eovaldi the biggest multi year offer he received. It was just at the beginning of the off-season and he thought he could get more. Came back to the Sox and they had already spent his money
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Post by fenwaydouble on May 14, 2023 20:25:21 GMT -5
Can't catch a break lately.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 20:26:12 GMT -5
Kluber promises to be even worse next year as his velocity continues to decline. They really should have kept Eovaldi and that's not second guessing. Yeah, they saved money....and yes I get that it was spent on other resources but they'd have been able to go over the limit had they ducked under last July. Even if they didn't, aren't they about 12 million under? They could have circled back to Eovaldi. Kluber is washed up. Eovaldi can still pitch. So now the Sox will have to spend talent resources to get a Lucas Giolito or whoever come this July. I'd rather have spent the extra $7 to $9 million on Eovaldi. I'd take my chances with a potential postseason rotation of Sale/Bello/Eovaldi/Paxton (if he were to stay healthy). The problem is they have 4 starters for 2 spots and Pivetta and Kluber clearly don't deserve starting pitching spots and Houck is better in the pen and you can make the point that Whitlock is, too. The best Sox 5 rotation has Houck and Whitlock joining Sale/Bello, and Paxton, but the pen can use help and Pivetta and Kluber won't help the pen at all. Houck and/or Whitlock would help the pen immensely. I believe I read that the Sox offered Eovaldi the biggest multi year offer he received. It was just at the beginning of the off-season and he thought he could get more. Came back to the Sox and they had already spent his money Wouldn't have been an issue if they hadn't gone over the limit last year and/or wasted the money on a washed up Kluber.
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2023 20:28:32 GMT -5
I believe I read that the Sox offered Eovaldi the biggest multi year offer he received. It was just at the beginning of the off-season and he thought he could get more. Came back to the Sox and they had already spent his money Wouldn't have been an issue if they hadn't gone over the limit last year and/or wasted the money on a washed up Kluber. He’s making a decent chunk more than Kluber so it very well could have been an issue. Maybe they don’t want to invest that much in an unreliable arm on the other end of 30. funny to see the anti-bloom jabs come out the second they have a bad series tho (not you, the initial post). They were wonderfully quiet for awhile
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Post by greenmonster on May 14, 2023 20:31:12 GMT -5
I'm late to this but... the streak is at 23!!! Can't believe they interviewed the guy for a whole inning and never even mentioned it. History is being made here, people.
Much better to ask a guy about his deceased mother on Mother's Day while he is trying to play baseball
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 14, 2023 20:36:05 GMT -5
Buzz kill at bat.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 20:36:35 GMT -5
Wouldn't have been an issue if they hadn't gone over the limit last year and/or wasted the money on a washed up Kluber. He’s making a decent chunk more than Kluber so it very well could have been an issue. Maybe they don’t want to invest that much in an unreliable arm on the other end of 30. funny to see the anti-bloom jabs come out the second they have a bad series tho (not you, the initial post). They were wonderfully quiet for awhile He's worth the decent chunk more than Kluber. He has been pretty damn reliable all in all. In 2019 he was hurt. You saw the way Cora used him in the post-season in 2018. Are you really surprised? Not blaming Cora - it was worth it, but there was an impact. Eovaldi was their good in 2020, their top starter in 2021, and still decent in an injury plagued year in 2022. He signed for a 3 year deal, only 1 year longer than Kluber. It wasn't that much riskier than Kluber. 2 of their biggest issues on this team is starting pitching and SS. Bloom butchered the Xander offer initially in early spring 2021 or was it spring 2022 - I don't even remember anymore. Bloom made this starting pitching decision which saves them money. Penny wise. Pound foolish. Now starting pitching and SS are issues. For the record, I know you weren't specifically referring to me, but I'm not anti-Bloom, nor am I pro-Bloom. It's aggravating to see people dug in either way no matter what. He has made some damn good moves that I have loved and some moves that I've hated. I judge each move as I see it, right or wrong, based on whether I liked it or not.
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Post by grandsalami on May 14, 2023 20:37:08 GMT -5
Offense is hibernating today
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Post by cdj on May 14, 2023 20:38:32 GMT -5
Offense is hibernating today Yeah might not rly matter who started this one
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 14, 2023 20:40:43 GMT -5
Wouldn't have been an issue if they hadn't gone over the limit last year and/or wasted the money on a washed up Kluber. He’s making a decent chunk more than Kluber so it very well could have been an issue. Maybe they don’t want to invest that much in an unreliable arm on the other end of 30. funny to see the anti-bloom jabs come out the second they have a bad series tho (not you, the initial post). They were wonderfully quiet for awhile He's not making that much more and he was their best starter for awhile. Bloom has done a superb job getting a functional offense and the farm looking promising again, but the rotation is awful and Jansen was a questionable signing. I thought this team turned a corner and was about to jump back on board, but unfortunately it's looking like this is indeed a .500 team. Bloom is having a season I wish he had last year. Not this year. He's avoided the "fire" talks from me because of the promise of some of the younger guys, but it's disappointing this is looking like it won't be a breakout season. Kluber over Eovaldi was a very costly mistake.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 20:43:02 GMT -5
Offense is hibernating today Yeah might not rly matter who started this one I think the team is a bit deflated given the way they lost the last two nights. They're going to hit a rut until they get their starting pitching straightened out and figure out what's up with Kenley. Kenley is a great reliever but if they had him the ball next game with a 4-3 lead in the 9th I know I'm not going to feel comfortable. I hope they figured out what the deal with him is. If they do and get him straightened out, he'll be fine, but until I know that they have it figured out, I'm not going to be comfortable. Hopefully he gets straightened out and when he does the rest of the pen should fall in line and hopefully it will sync with the good things we're seeing with Sale/Bello/Paxton and they can start winning regularly again.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 14, 2023 20:46:38 GMT -5
Wow, can Brasier give up the home runs.
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Post by station13 on May 14, 2023 20:46:58 GMT -5
Brasier, what a joke. Send him to glue or rubber factory
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Post by taiwansox on May 14, 2023 20:50:10 GMT -5
My thoughts on a potential Brasier DFA
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Post by taiwansox on May 14, 2023 20:53:03 GMT -5
Wow, can Brasier give up the home runs. Auditioning for the home run derby lol
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Post by manfred on May 14, 2023 20:54:58 GMT -5
So getting swept by a team that came in, what, 12-25? What does that do to the winning % of the losses the Sox have? Not a great argument for “it’s cause we’re in baseball’s toughest division.”
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Post by station13 on May 14, 2023 20:57:51 GMT -5
On the bright side, Sale, Paxton, Bello should be exciting when they pitch. I just want Klubber expunge. Send him to the stars.
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Post by cmax on May 14, 2023 21:01:17 GMT -5
I think the play of the series was Devers not getting to 3rd on the 1st out of the 8th in Game One when Dalbec scored on the Tapia ground out. Stupid mental error to not advance there. That's when your fortune changes in baseball and you don't deserve it. Sox would have been up 2 going into the 9th. Jansen perhaps would have slammed the door. Instead staring at a super frustrating sweep at home with a now somewhat shaken closer, and the team is in the cellar of AL East again. Silver lining, Sale and Paxton looked good. Tough series and can't help but think about what could have been if Devers had just made the common sense baseball play there.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 14, 2023 21:02:02 GMT -5
So getting swept by a team that came in, what, 12-25? What does that do to the winning % of the losses the Sox have? Not a great argument for “it’s cause we’re in baseball’s toughest division.” The getting swept at home thing is weird too. The way they beat up on Toronto was amazing and the way they couldn't handle the Pirates or Cardinals was kind of alarming. It does happen, but man, coming home to Fenway, you usually don't worry about stuff like that. It's going on the road where you worry about stuff like that. Don't know what their deal is...other than the obvious. That two days out of five they're going with a starting pitcher that's pitching worse than replacement level. That's two games out of 5 they're in a hole, so as long as the offense is functioning and the bullpen is stellar, they can survive that, but when they're not.....they're still getting two replacement level starts out of 5 and when the other things aren't working as well, it's really hard to win.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 14, 2023 21:06:35 GMT -5
I like Reyes
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