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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2023 8:21:12 GMT -5
Why do you think we're seeing this crap now? Beal, Williamson, Brogdon? Old CBA you unload player to contenders, they go for it by adding salary. There's now a limit and teams see the writing on the wall. Moving huge contracts for players that get injured all the time won't be easy going forward. Bradley Beal at one time would have cost a kings Ransom, I'm seeing Lowry and Robinson, plus a pick or two.
I'm frankly shocked the players union agreed to the new rules given how good Basketball has been doing. MJ buying for 275 million, selling for 3 billion, all while still being a crap team. It's like the start of enhanced luxury tax crap in Baseball that has caused so many problems and completely change the way teams act. The NBA just went more extreme than any luxury tax crap in Baseball.
I'm looking at the Suns and going omg, how do you actually build a decent roster? It's basically trades, yet minute they hit that 2nd level, it needs to be equal, no more talking on extra. Reports say they want Brogdon, yet they Basically only have Chris Paul to trade.
Draft picks and developing young players just became a must. 2nd round picks value just went up like crazy and teams will need to start looking at undrafted guys like the Heat do.
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Post by cdj on Jun 18, 2023 9:38:42 GMT -5
I can tell you he’s actually a good dude off the court, at least from what I know anecdotally. He did a gender reveal for the baby of an old teammate of mine when he absolutely had no obligation to do so. Nice of a national superstar at the time (this was when he was at Duke) to take time out of his day to do something memorable for a couple Yeah, he is well known for his gender reveal parties. I apologize for providing insight into something nice and selfless he did for somebody I know while you try to assassinate his character without knowing a single thing about him (aside from the things you’ve managed to convince yourself about) |
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Post by philarhody on Jun 18, 2023 19:26:35 GMT -5
This Beal trade should be a warning to the Celtics. The Wizards kept the asset, never made a run for high lottery, and wound up with a swap and a couple seconds.
Beal might actually be a better player than Jaylen. Yikes.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 18, 2023 19:42:46 GMT -5
Yeah, he is well known for his gender reveal parties. I apologize for providing insight into something nice and selfless he did for somebody I know while you try to assassinate his character without knowing a single thing about him (aside from the things you’ve managed to convince yourself about) You should apologize. Because this thread isn’t called “millionaires who throw good gender reveal parties.” No one in New Orleans really cares about the gender of your friend’s baby. Not when Zion plays less than thirty games a year and has the accountability of a 1 year old on those Maury “Fat Baby” episodes. If the story was about how great of a teammate Zion was, I can guarantee you that we wouldn’t be talking about him on the Celtics 2023 Offseason Thread. |
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Post by cdj on Jun 18, 2023 20:08:02 GMT -5
I apologize for providing insight into something nice and selfless he did for somebody I know while you try to assassinate his character without knowing a single thing about him (aside from the things you’ve managed to convince yourself about) You should apologize. Because this thread isn’t called “millionaires who throw good gender reveal parties.” No one in New Orleans really cares about the gender of your friend’s baby. Not when Zion plays less than thirty games a year and has the accountability of a 1 year old on those Maury “Fat Baby” episodes. If the story was about how great of a teammate Zion was, I can guarantee you that we wouldn’t be talking about him on the Celtics 2023 Offseason Thread. you know him so well oh wise one! Big guys sometimes get feet problems, don’t know what to tell you. Is Greg Oden selfish? Yao? Walton? He’s a tank and he’s been tank since high school. When you play an explosive style at that weight there’s gonna be leg/foot injuries, and he’s always going to be big for his height even if he is in great shape. He is built like a LT. We’ve seen it a thousand times in league history with bigs and their feet. But whatever helps you sleep at night. I don’t even want him |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 18, 2023 20:34:03 GMT -5
If I'm Celtics I call the Wizards and see if they'll do Paul for Brogdon plus filler, instead of eating a ton of money buying him out. I'm sure they can find some team that would want Brogdon and get some assets from that.
Lesson why you won't given Brown a super max extension and especially a no trade clause. I knew it would be low, yet eating two contracts and a few seconds is crazy low.
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Post by philarhody on Jun 18, 2023 22:43:56 GMT -5
If I'm Celtics I call the Wizards and see if they'll do Paul for Brogdon plus filler, instead of eating a ton of money buying him out. I'm sure they can find some team that would want Brogdon and get some assets from that. Lesson why you won't given Brown a super max extension and especially a no trade clause. I knew it would be low, yet eating two contracts and a few seconds is crazy low. I wouldn’t trade for the Paul contract. But this should be a huge warning for the Jaylen extension. Beal has honestly been a better player and went for a bunch of filler. You’re getting warmer with the supermax thing. But I don’t see how Jaylen is even worth the max. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2023 0:10:25 GMT -5
I would, it's only way you get Chris Paul. I roll those dice, like an old Jason Kidd bringing home a championship for Mavs. I think his style would help the Jays long-term, they’ve never played with a true PG like him. Plus you clear salary after one year.
Yet already reports Clippers are going after him.
If not I wouldn't mind Morris and Gafford for Brogdon either. He just needs to go.
After further reading it includes two pick swaps, we'll have to see what those are. Might make the deal depending on terms and when they are.
Phil you are upset how the season ended, I get it. Take some time, clear your head. You're missing the no trade part, four teams involved per reports and he picked Suns. So they had no choice, instead of a bidding war. His value tanked because of that no trade clause, then contract, then missed games. You give Brown a max level deal just to keep Tatum, the true star of the team. You end up trading Brown down the road, you'll have way more options than the Wizards did because no way Brown is getting a no trade clause.
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Post by cdj on Jun 19, 2023 7:38:19 GMT -5
I would, it's only way you get Chris Paul. I roll those dice, like an old Jason Kidd bringing home a championship for Mavs. I think his style would help the Jays long-term, they’ve never played with a true PG like him. Plus you clear salary after one year. Yet already reports Clippers are going after him. If not I wouldn't mind Morris and Gafford for Brogdon either. He just needs to go. After further reading it includes two pick swaps, we'll have to see what those are. Might make the deal depending on terms and when they are. Phil you are upset how the season ended, I get it. Take some time, clear your head. You're missing the no trade part, four teams involved per reports and he picked Suns. So they had no choice, instead of a bidding war. His value tanked because of that no trade clause, then contract, then missed games. You give Brown a max level deal just to keep Tatum, the true star of the team. You end up trading Brown down the road, you'll have way more options than the Wizards did because no way Brown is getting a no trade clause. I like Brogdon and wouldn’t move him just to move him but I LOVE the Morris/Gafford idea |
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 19, 2023 10:13:19 GMT -5
Umass my brother in Christ why have you soured on Brogdon? Surely it wasn’t an injury riddled series, was it?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 19, 2023 11:04:16 GMT -5
I wasn't a fan since day one, everyone tried convincing me he'd play bigger guys and his D would be better. It wasn't, he was your worst defender by far. He played iso like crazy, the exact opposite of what we need. The new CBA means we have one option to add talent, that's trades. You can keep Pritchard for your offensive spark plug off the bench who has defensive limitations and he's more of a team player. We need a roster that makes more sense, upgrade at the big spot because Horford just showed his age and frankly you needed one before that.
I'm not trading White. I'd consider Smart, yet Brogdon makes way more sense! He likely has the better value right now. Which can allow you to keep Pritchard long-term on a team friendly deal if you give him a role.
Now I'll admit better coaching and actually running an offense could help him on offense. He's posted better assist numbers in the past. Doesn't solve his D, his salary or having to move Pritchard for peanuts either. He also has a long injury history.
I want my teams to be all about D and ball movement/team play. It's basically why I was against this trade since it was made. It was just add more talent, create the most talented team, not a team were the pieces fit and is the right mix. Frankly reminds me of the Nets and now Suns, let's put together the best group of scorers we can, I hate that!
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Post by cdj on Jun 19, 2023 16:28:03 GMT -5
they hired old friend Phil Pressey as an assistant
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 20, 2023 12:39:03 GMT -5
The Athletic NBA draft guide finally came out, they need to work on getting these out earlier! Disappointed no combine information is included, yet most top guys not do it. The most shocking thing is no Johnson in the top 100, he was asked about it on Twitter days ago and nothing. I can see teams not drafting him given his medicals. I don't see how he's not a top 100 guy you bring in a two way contract!
Castleton and Robbins are two bigs I'd look at if they go undrafted. He's higher than most on them, frankly it's the only place to get detailed information on guys like that. Both good shot blockers, Robbins being your rare 3 and D shot blocker. Castleton is more skilled overall though, yet needs to bulk up.
Good information, I agree with what he's saying and what he's looking for. Some of these other reports leave you scratching your head.
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Post by cdj on Jun 20, 2023 13:24:38 GMT -5
Robbins might be able to be a better version of Muscala if the shooting keeps trending up. Can actually play some D
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Post by nomar on Jun 21, 2023 10:21:34 GMT -5
This Beal trade should be a warning to the Celtics. The Wizards kept the asset, never made a run for high lottery, and wound up with a swap and a couple seconds. Beal might actually be a better player than Jaylen. Yikes. They’re both 2 of the most overrated players in the sport IMO |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 21, 2023 13:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jun 21, 2023 14:01:05 GMT -5
I’m ngl I LOVE that
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2023 14:16:19 GMT -5
HOLY FUCK*NG SH*T B*LLS I'VE BEEN THE BIGGEST FAN OF THE PORZINGOD SINCE HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE, please God let that trade happen.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 21, 2023 14:30:16 GMT -5
Somehow he's only 28? And he doesn't have a lot of miles (unless you consider injuries miles, which probably I should! Hopefully works out better than Sale's 31 y/o arm...)
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Post by nomar on Jun 21, 2023 15:43:07 GMT -5
I loved Brogdon, but this is a good way of trying to raise the team’s ceiling and get over the hump. If Porzingis stays healthy they can win a championship and if he doesn’t then at least he’s not a giant long term commitment.
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Post by texs31 on Jun 21, 2023 16:21:18 GMT -5
- Gallo likely included (Jake Fischer and others)
- Grant Williams likely gone (Adam Himmelsbach)
- Trade will likely lead to a 2-year extension for KP (Marc Stein)
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 21, 2023 16:23:14 GMT -5
Please God just confirm this trade already.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 21, 2023 16:49:13 GMT -5
Are they better minus Grant, Gallo and Brogdon plus Porzingis?
Really interested in the extension numbers and what Grant will get. Maybe they still get something for Grant.
Losing Brogdons shooting hurts. I’m torn on if they would be better with him over Smart…
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 21, 2023 16:56:19 GMT -5
I don't know the Unicorn misses a ton of games, last year was the first time since his first two years to play 60 games and 2000 minutes. Brogdon and Gallo for him with nothing else is a deal I have to make, yet watch Brad trade away picks again.
I'd hate to lose Williams, yet maybe they get value in return.
We'll have to see how this plays out.
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Post by cdj on Jun 21, 2023 17:12:19 GMT -5
Hard for me to consider Gallinari a real loss. Can’t lose what you never really had!
I think Brogdon ——> Porzingis is much better for roster balance. Would still love a true PG
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