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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 2, 2024 9:45:19 GMT -5
Thought I read Yesavage profiles as more mid rotation starter? If a pitcher rated as more than a mid-rotation starter then they wouldn't be available. There are more than mid-level pitchers available. You just have to pick the right one. I’m sure you don’t feel draft slot determines future success. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 2, 2024 10:03:38 GMT -5
If a pitcher rated as more than a mid-rotation starter then they wouldn't be available. There are more than mid-level pitchers available. You just have to pick the right one. I’m sure you don’t feel draft slot determines future success. I believe he is just saying that when it comes to the draft if a pitcher projects to be a front of the rotation SP at the time of the draft that guy is going to go higher than pick #12. It goes without saying that yes if you pick the right guy they can easily surpass their projection at the time of the draft with development and such. |
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 2, 2024 10:38:17 GMT -5
There are more than mid-level pitchers available. You just have to pick the right one. I’m sure you don’t feel draft slot determines future success. I believe he is just saying that when it comes to the draft if a pitcher projects to be a front of the rotation SP at the time of the draft that guy is going to go higher than pick #12. It goes without saying that yes if you pick the right guy they can easily surpass their projection at the time of the draft with development and such. I think part of it is also that people tend to hear “mid-rotation starter” and think it means “mediocre pitcher,” but that projection actually means “potential playoff starter.” If a first round pick is starting game 3 of the ALDS, that’s a very successful pick. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 2, 2024 10:39:37 GMT -5
Yeah... it's not that you can't get a great starter at #12 (or position player!), it's more that, if a dude had something approaching consensus that they'd be a frontline starter, they wouldn't be available there. Tanner Houck is the best pitcher the Red Sox have drafted in the last 19 years and the ex-GM on the broadcast spent between 20 and 400 minutes talking about how he's a future reliever.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 2, 2024 11:05:40 GMT -5
If you're drafting college pitchers in the first round there's a lot more Taylor Jungmanns in there than there are Sonny Gray. Most of the real talent is at the very top of the draft but even then you could be drafting a Mark Appel. And if you're drafting high school pitchers in the first round well....well lets' not go there. (immediately ducks to avoid things being thrown at him)
Reality is, all things considered, if you want better pitching you gotta take more swings on pitchers in the draft and understand that pitchers take time to develop. I would not be the least bit suprrised if the Sox draft an up the middle position player at 12 while simultaneously taking more swings on pitchers later in the draft.
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 2, 2024 12:10:33 GMT -5
One of the reasons Kurtz falls past them is because they have the Angels taking Moore at #8.He's the guy that raised his stock the most at the CWS and the Angels are taking some college hitter who can be in the majors ASAP... If recent history is an indicator that could easily happen. They have rushed their last two first round college bats to the bigs with limited success. Not sure how their GM hangs on to his job. He has been a disaster IMO. And their farm system is rock bottom on every list I have seen. I like Moore a bunch as a hitter, but he's not the best candidate to be rushed to the majors. He's not a majors-level defender at any position at the moment and the hitting approach he's adopted in college is going to need a little adjusting to be successful at the highest level. |
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Post by ramireja on Jul 2, 2024 12:48:27 GMT -5
Perhaps part of why Moore is rising up the mock draft lists:
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 2, 2024 13:12:51 GMT -5
Thats a different Moore. The Moore we’ve been talking about is Christian Moore.
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Post by nonothing on Jul 2, 2024 13:20:54 GMT -5
My top 4 @ 12 are (1) Griffin, (2) Rainer, (3) Yesavage, and (4) Caminiti. I’d like to go BPA and think getting any of these 4 into the system provides immense value. I would add Kurtz here. Griffin #1 to me, and the order of others less clear for me, but these are the names I like with the 12th pick. |
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Post by jimoh on Jul 2, 2024 13:23:27 GMT -5
Highly doubt the Red Sox pass on Kurtz because they have Casas. If they rate him as one of the best hitters/prospects in the class as he was rated coming in to the year they will take the value. Every time I think of the possibility of Kurtz falling to the Red Sox I get a little giddy. You can put Cases at DH, or use the incredible trade value either of them would have. With Mayer and Teal, that would be the third time in four years a gem falls to the Red Sox. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 4, 2024 21:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Jul 5, 2024 10:45:14 GMT -5
Fun exercise in which the #12 pick goes to Yesavage but the writer says he would have taken Moore (who went at 10). "The 2024 MLB draft is just over a week away, so we asked three of our MLB experts to try their hand at selecting a first round consisting of this year's top prospects. The rules of our superteam draft are simple: Jeff Passan, Jesse Rogers and David Schoenfield snake-drafted through 10 rounds (30 total picks) to put together the best possible roster of 2024 prospects. [...] Schoenfield: I would have taken Moore, who hit 34 home runs for the Vols, since I'm all-in on power hitters and exit velocity, but Yesavage is a polished right-hander with plus control and a four-pitch arsenal that should allow him to advance quickly to the majors." www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40494287/2024-mlb-draft-outsiders-mock-prospect-superteams10. Christian Moore, 2B, Tennessee (Rogers) 11. Bryce Rainer, SS, Harvard-Westlake School (Los Angeles) (Passan) 12. Trey Yesavage, RHP, East Carolina (Schoenfield) 13. Seaver King, SS, Wake Forest (Schoenfield) 14. Cam Smith, 3B, Florida State (Passan) 15. James Tibbs, OF, Florida State (Rogers) ("Rogers: There's little doubt -- in my opinion -- that Tibbs is the best player on the board outside the top 10, so to get him at 15 feels like a steal.) |
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 7, 2024 11:32:14 GMT -5
Bleacher Report has the Sox leaving Nick Kurtz on the board at #12 in favor of Christian Moore: bleacherreport.com/articles/10127256-2024-mlb-mock-draft-50-full-1st-round-picks-including-condon-bazzana-caglianone12. Boston Red Sox: 2B Christian Moore, Tennessee With a terrific run in the College World Series, Moore went from a player regularly mentioned at the back of the first round to someone who could legitimately hear his name called inside the Top 10 picks. He hit .375/.451/.797 with 34 home runs and 74 RBI in 72 games this spring, and his strong frame and 55-hit, 60-power offensive profile give him a real shot at being a 30-homer threat at the next level. Florida State teammates James Tibbs and Cam Smith are also names that frequently come up in this range, while this could be the floor for East Carolina right-hander Trey Yesavage if he slides a bit. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 8, 2024 7:18:30 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 8, 2024 8:48:32 GMT -5
Decent amount of local kids (to us New Englanders) on this list, some of which I've seen in summer leagues or during their college streams. One of the stronger SR lists I can recall. Tyler McGregor- Northeastern 1B, Seamus Barrett LHP Louisville/Loyola Marymount (Arlington, MA), Julian Greenwell OF Wright St (no relation), Brandon Eicke VCU 3B, Tony Rossi RHP Charlotte, and Caleb Cozart 1B UNC are some of my favorites. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 8, 2024 11:21:18 GMT -5
What’s the ETA on the SP draft preview? Always one of my favorite reads.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 8, 2024 11:35:46 GMT -5
My top 4 @ 12 are (1) Griffin, (2) Rainer, (3) Yesavage, and (4) Caminiti. I’d like to go BPA and think getting any of these 4 into the system provides immense value. I would add Kurtz here. Griffin #1 to me, and the order of others less clear for me, but these are the names I like with the 12th pick. All in on Griffin. |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 8, 2024 12:47:35 GMT -5
Caminiti stuff I heard yesterday: walked 20% of batters in showcases, athleticism is only good, bad fastball traits, a lot of work to be done and seems to be off a lot of boards.
Also, does anyone have a d1baseball subscription? I'm looking to get some ground ball rates on a few guys.
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 8, 2024 14:13:47 GMT -5
Caminiti stuff I heard yesterday: walked 20% of batters in showcases, athleticism is only good, bad fastball traits, a lot of work to be done and seems to be off a lot of boards. Also, does anyone have a d1baseball subscription? I'm looking to get some ground ball rates on a few guys. Yes, I do. Sent you a PM |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 8, 2024 14:23:29 GMT -5
Not sure if there's any gossip about signability, but I would guess that Griffin would cost us something like $1.5 million more than the best available college bat
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 8, 2024 18:24:57 GMT -5
Decent amount of local kids (to us New Englanders) on this list, some of which I've seen in summer leagues or during their college streams. One of the stronger SR lists I can recall. Tyler McGregor- Northeastern 1B, Seamus Barrett LHP Louisville/Loyola Marymount (Arlington, MA), Julian Greenwell OF Wright St (no relation), Brandon Eicke VCU 3B, Tony Rossi RHP Charlotte, and Caleb Cozart 1B UNC are some of my favorites. 1 tool, are you giving us your late round college draft list again this year? Last year the Sox took one of your picks (Duffy I think) and traded for another (Judice). |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 8, 2024 18:32:59 GMT -5
Not sure if there's any gossip about signability, but I would guess that Griffin would cost us something like $1.5 million more than the best available college bat The only rumor I’ve read was that he might have a below slot deal with the White Sox or Royals (can’t remember exactly) but that was a while ago. |
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Post by nonothing on Jul 8, 2024 19:40:01 GMT -5
Not sure if there's any gossip about signability, but I would guess that Griffin would cost us something like $1.5 million more than the best available college bat Why do you think that? Genuinely curious. I would think Griffin easily commands $4M and likely north of $5M, but once he gets to us, he isn't likely getting >$6M from anyone I wouldn't think. Going to college is risky if you can get $5M for sure today and have to get into the top 10 picks again to do better in the future. So unless a guy has super high confidence and really doesn't want to play for a specific team, they aren't likely to turn down around pick value from Sox (if still available at 12). In terms of college players, Yesavage probably knows he will get picked within a few picks if he gets to us and goes through, so he is probably a near slot deal (I think within 10 or so is near slot). College bats -- who do you think would take $4M or less to play for us and who you actually would want at that pick? Benge? The top 20 slots gave value $4M. I doubt we want a guy from college who is below the #20 ranked player. Maybe somebody who really doesn't want to play for the Marlins, so takes $4.7M from us? Dunno. If Griffin falls to us, I doubt the different between him and a college bat we would want would be more than $1M and more likely I would expect less. But that's because I don't see us taking a not very highly ranked college bat over Griffin to save money unless they think they can get super lucky with training a college guys as they have Campbell.and bet their first pick on that so they can go over slot for a pile of high upside arms in later rounds. Scratching head... I cannot see passing up a guy like Griffin to do that though. If we are going back into contention window, we won't get another shot at a potential talent like him again for a bit. I think you can't look a gift horse in the mouth, and you take the guy/make the deal needed. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 8, 2024 20:36:15 GMT -5
The first round college players mostly went under slot last year, even if they weren't drafted higher than their ranking. If Griffin falls to us there's a good chance he has a beefy asking price, although pedroelgrande has some contrary intel above.
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Post by markm7 on Jul 8, 2024 20:52:51 GMT -5
If Griffin was on the board at 12 I’d pay him the full bonus poll just my own opinion I think he has the highest upside in the draft.
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