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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2024 12:40:55 GMT -5
My order of preference among these players*: ... 7. Nick Kurtz
... *sole criterion: coolness of their names
I just worry that he'd slip a cervical vertebra, do a short DL stint, struggle a bit coming back, and we'd spend months asking if Nick Kurtz' neck hurts. But think of the thread title: Kernels (on) Kurtz |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 9, 2024 14:36:42 GMT -5
Hosannah Bazzana.
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 9, 2024 15:22:44 GMT -5
Perhaps the most interesting thing from that Top 100 to me is Christian Moore all the way down at #37. He's drawn a lot of conversation here for the #12 pick and I think has mostly ended up in that neighborhood for other people. The Globe story noted that Kiley McD and both Callis and Mayo mocked Moore to the Red Sox. www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2024/07/07/red-sox-2024-mlb-mock-draft-roundup/Law ($) questions "whether the power will hold up with a wood bat," says when he saw him he was not great with off-speed offerings, and says he is below-average at 2b and likely to wind up in LF. So, I fully buy some of the concerns about Moore hitting wise - particularly the contact rate (less concerned about the chase rate personally), but the power concern to me is a little weird in the way Law framed it in terms of Moore putting up silly looking exit velo numbers in Omaha. Condon was really the only prospect who hit the ball harder (both in terms of just the eye test and 90th percentile exit velo). Plenty has been made about exit velo numbers growing in college and perhaps translating less directly to the pros than they might have used to, but it's not that Moore's exit velo was propped up by his play in the college World Series at all. Besides the stats interpretation, he's a strong athlete and the bat speed is noticeable. He's far from a sure thing, but there are no sure things at 12 in most drafts (and especially this one). |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 9, 2024 17:17:34 GMT -5
I don’t remember my Athletic login and my phone doesn’t automatically remember it so can’t read the Law article right now, does he give any particular reason he’s concerned about Moore’s power translating as opposed to any other college guy, or does he leave it at that?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 9, 2024 17:22:12 GMT -5
I don’t remember my Athletic login and my phone doesn’t automatically remember it so can’t read the Law article right now, does he give any particular reason he’s concerned about Moore’s power translating as opposed to any other college guy, or does he leave it at that? Here you go: |
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 9, 2024 17:25:57 GMT -5
I don’t remember my Athletic login and my phone doesn’t automatically remember it so can’t read the Law article right now, does he give any particular reason he’s concerned about Moore’s power translating as opposed to any other college guy, or does he leave it at that? He doesn't like the stance (wide, minimal stride iirc) and then sort of throws out that his monster EV numbers would be a little wonky given the numbers more across the board at the CWS. His comment earlier about the CWS is: "He started posting exit velocities of 115+ in Omaha with whatever juiced ball they were using up there, which is going to run him way up the boards for teams that rely heavily on batted-ball data in their draft models." But my specific point there is pre-Omaha he already had some of the best EV numbers for college guys. |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 9, 2024 20:47:21 GMT -5
Callis and Mayo's podcast today talking about what it looks like if a surprise goes in the top 10... LAA and PIT possibly looking for deals at 9 and 10.
Callis guesses Benge, Mayo says he heard today some teams talking Cam Smith. Callis then mentions Waldschmidt and Janek as potentially bigger surprises.
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Post by seanleary001 on Jul 9, 2024 21:03:10 GMT -5
Josh Kuroda-Grauer will play in the MLB
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jul 9, 2024 21:23:19 GMT -5
I just worry that he'd slip a cervical vertebra, do a short DL stint, struggle a bit coming back, and we'd spend months asking if Nick Kurtz' neck hurts. But think of the thread title: Kernels (on) Kurtz Or, stay with me here, Nick K(H)urtz Neck Hurt(z). |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 10, 2024 10:51:59 GMT -5
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Post by evanstonredsox on Jul 10, 2024 10:55:39 GMT -5
Yesavage’s fastball seems like a way better pitch than the 55 grade it’s been getting
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 10, 2024 11:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 10, 2024 11:17:33 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 10, 2024 11:26:37 GMT -5
Some interesting differences from consensus here: He has Theo Gillen as his #7 and Cam Smith as his #6, these guys are 28 and 14 respectively on MLB’s list. Gillen is his first HS hitter above Griffin and Rainer. He also has Brody Brecht rated ahead of Yesavage and has Kurtz down at 17. He makes a pretty convincing case for Brecht to me. There are 14 guys he rates as 45+ or better, so if the Red Sox take one of them FG would have that player 7th in the system. |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 10, 2024 11:43:08 GMT -5
I just worry that he'd slip a cervical vertebra, do a short DL stint, struggle a bit coming back, and we'd spend months asking if Nick Kurtz' neck hurts. But think of the thread title: Kernels (on) Kurtz The Horror. The Horror. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 10, 2024 11:59:58 GMT -5
My top 3 in the Sox vicinity is Montgomery, Griffin, and Kurtz.
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Post by cba82 on Jul 10, 2024 12:01:48 GMT -5
My top 3 in the Sox vicinity is Montgomery, Griffin, and Kurtz. Doesn’t Griffin seem pretty committed to LSU? |
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 10, 2024 13:39:42 GMT -5
My top 3 in the Sox vicinity is Montgomery, Griffin, and Kurtz. Doesn’t Griffin seem pretty committed to LSU? Yes, and I'd be a little surprised if he turned down slot at #12. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 10, 2024 20:06:44 GMT -5
This pod has very good insight into what goes on in draft rooms from the scouting director perspective if anybody is interested in that. Its with the former Marlins scouting director they talk about the current class but I find it more interesting when he talks about previous classes and how things happen in the draft room/process. I’ve seen a couple of episodes and found them interesting.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2024 23:28:47 GMT -5
I'm going to keep my good eye on Ariel Antigua, the freshman SS that came on as a defensive replacement for Tennessee at the end of the final game (only one I was able to see). Ball found him immediately (first pitch?) and he made an amazing, instinctive play on a rocket to his right in the hole. No chance to throw the runner out but it was a real eye-popper for me, especially in that situation. Obviously needs to get hitting reps but you can't teach that kind of fielding talent.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2024 23:32:19 GMT -5
Too hot for in-depth thoughts but Drew Beam is good, would really take a look at him as a high floor starter in the second. Also, I’m not sure if I am remembering right or not, but if I am and Ted Burton is only playing first as he recovers from a shoulder thing from the offseason, he’s a really interesting bat-first second baseman. Outside of that my brain is pretty much fried and/or preoccupied with game 3 nerves. If Beam gets to the Sox in the 2nd round, I will high-five my cardboard cut-out of Craig Breslow so hard I'm afraid I'll break his arm. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 10, 2024 23:41:33 GMT -5
FWIW - Listened to Keith Law's eval on the Rates and Barrels podcast. He said in retrospect, last year was the best draft he'd seen in his 25 years of doing draft evals, and this year is shaping up to be the worst. Main takeaway is, if you're a team that likes to get a first rounder at below slot and then spread money downstream, this is probably not the year to do it because of the lack of depth after the first few guys, and because it's a really, really bad year for High School talent. He also said the pitching overall is very weak and really time to go after college position guys, esp in first 1-15 picks. So I guess he missed the 2013 draft? |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 11, 2024 6:13:09 GMT -5
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Post by trotman on Jul 11, 2024 7:25:00 GMT -5
Keith Law mentioned the Angels are rumored to draft someone who will debut this year. Can someone explain to me like I'm 5 why the Angels continue to draft players that can debut quickly? They target college ready bats but why rush them? It's not like the organization is the pinnacle of success.
Nolan Schanuel has been ok. Zack Neto from 2022 looks like a good player. The Athletic put out an article this morning about how their approach of drafting 20 pitchers from their 2021 draft class will amount to much. Reid Detmers (2020) might be better if they tried to develop instead of throwing him to the wolves.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 11, 2024 9:19:53 GMT -5
Keith Law mentioned the Angels are rumored to draft someone who will debut this year. Can someone explain to me like I'm 5 why the Angels continue to draft players that can debut quickly? They target college ready bats but why rush them? It's not like the organization is the pinnacle of success. Nolan Schanuel has been ok. Zack Neto from 2022 looks like a good player. The Athletic put out an article this morning about how their approach of drafting 20 pitchers from their 2021 draft class will amount to much. Reid Detmers (2020) might be better if they tried to develop instead of throwing him to the wolves. The Angels are organizationally opposed to doing anything right. That should be at the top of your mind whenever you wonder why they’re doing what they’re doing. Law also points to the Angels as a spot where Jurrangelo Cijntje could go. I don’t know a ton about as a prospect other than that it seems like he has a lot of helium, but I could certainly get behind adding a Curaçaoan who throws with both hands and has the potential to move quickly. What’s not to love about that name and description? |
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