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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 13, 2024 8:39:04 GMT -5
I'm reading Soler's deal is 3/42M, which is pretty much in line with what Ben Clemens at Fangraphs projected (3/45). Even at this late stage in a scenario where I doubt anyone was really bidding against them the Giants paid market rate for Soler. I figured when it was a 3 year deal they'd have gotten a bit of a break on the AAV but guess not.
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Post by cdj on Feb 13, 2024 8:39:19 GMT -5
Sign Woodruff for 2025
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Post by tookme55 on Feb 13, 2024 8:52:42 GMT -5
Our OF looks set to me.
Same with our starting rotation. Just because the fans don't like it means nothing at this point.
I'm excited to watch all the new guys
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Post by asm18 on Feb 13, 2024 8:53:48 GMT -5
In lieu of the Giants signing Jorge Soler, their beat writer Andrew Baggarly from The Athletic speculated that (OF) Michael Conforto or (3B) JD Davis could be on the move. Considering new SF skipper Bob Melvin has practically been begging the Giants to also sign Matt Chapman, Davis would seem to be a fit for the Sox? Would give you a RHH who can mix in at 1B, 3B, DH, and even LF in a pinch.
JD Davis - 1 year, 7 mil in final year of arb
2023: .248/.325/.413 slashline, 18 HR, 104 wRC+, 2.2 WAR 2024 (projected): .242/.328/.401, 103 wRC+
You could do essentially do a de-facto platoon with him and Abreu, with Yoshida at DH when Abreu is in the lineup, and Yoshida in LF when Davis is playing. He was actually quite good at 3B last year (by OOA at least), so if they want an excuse to “get Raffy off his feet” that certainly will give them one. And because he’s a not a FA you don’t have to promise him full playing time like you might Duvall or Pham.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 13, 2024 8:59:13 GMT -5
Our OF looks set to me. Same with our starting rotation. Just because the fans don't like it means nothing at this point. I'm excited to watch all the new guys Yeah I can't see them making other additions at this point. Soler was kind of the last guy that would have done something for this offense. Now they're kind of stuck. Duran Abreu and Casas need to build on last year for this offense to succeed. Devers also needs to have a career year.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 13, 2024 9:04:07 GMT -5
In lieu of the Giants signing Jorge Soler, their beat writer Andrew Baggarly from The Athletic speculated that (OF) Michael Conforto or (3B) JD Davis could be on the move. Considering new SF skipper Bob Melvin has practically been begging the Giants to also sign Matt Chapman, Davis would seem to be a fit for the Sox? Would give you a RHH who can mix in at 1B, 3B, DH, and even LF in a pinch. JD Davis - 1 year, 7 mil in final year of arb 2023: .248/.325/.413 slashline, 18 HR, 104 wRC+, 2.2 WAR 2024 (projected): .242/.328/.401, 103 wRC+ You could do essentially do a de-facto platoon with him and Abreu, with Yoshida at DH when Abreu is in the lineup, and Yoshida in LF when Davis is playing. He was actually quite good at 3B last year, so if they want an excuse to “get Raffy off his feet” that certainly will give them one. And because he’s a not a FA you don’t have to promise him full playing time like you might Duvall or Pham. JD Davis would be an interesting trade target, I'd be all for it. It would probably be dependent on the Giants going after Chapman as you point out.
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Post by cdj on Feb 13, 2024 9:14:21 GMT -5
Without looking at spray charts I feel JD would like it here
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Post by pappyman99 on Feb 13, 2024 9:33:04 GMT -5
Yeah no thanks on Soler at 3 years
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Post by yuchangclan on Feb 13, 2024 9:37:39 GMT -5
Seeing Sox fans pining away for the likes of JD Davis in Mid-February is not the way I expected this offseason to unfold.
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Post by nomar on Feb 13, 2024 9:54:32 GMT -5
Seeing Sox fans pining away for the likes of JD Davis in Mid-February is not the way I expected this offseason to unfold. Probably the biggest delta between fan expectations vs reality I’ve ever seen. I am very interested in watching Grissom, Abreu, Casas, Duran, Rafaela, Story/O’Neill attempted bounce backs, and Devers is always a good watch. And for pitching I’m excited/curious to watch Bello, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock, Pivetta’s legitimacy test, and Giolito’s attempted bounce back. I just really didn’t expect to go into the season barely caring about their record, which is kind of how I’m feeling as of today as depressing as that is.
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Post by lancect on Feb 13, 2024 9:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Feb 13, 2024 10:01:26 GMT -5
Soler's 3 year Zips projection: 1.7. Teoscar's: 3.8. And yet Soler got two more years and almost twice as much money.
It's in line with predictions but it still seems like an overpay to me. (And that much more money just got taken out of the potential bidding pool for Boras' guys...) I wonder if the Red Sox would have even gone to two years for him.
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Post by pappyman99 on Feb 13, 2024 10:10:49 GMT -5
Soler's 3 year Zips projection: 1.7. Teoscar's: 3.8. And yet Soler got two more years and almost twice as much money.
It's in line with predictions but it still seems like an overpay to me. (And that much more money just got taken out of the potential bidding pool for Boras' guys...) I wonder if the Red Sox would have even gone to two years for him.
A turner like contract from last year is what I would have offered Unless Montgomery or Snell want to take a 3 year deal or less at this point I think we are done other than possible trades I’m assuming we really don’t want to do much once spring training games start
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Post by asm18 on Feb 13, 2024 10:12:14 GMT -5
Seeing Sox fans pining away for the likes of JD Davis in Mid-February is not the way I expected this offseason to unfold. Probably the biggest delta between fan expectations vs reality I’ve ever seen. I am very interested in watching Grissom, Abreu, Casas, Duran, Rafaela, Story/O’Neill attempted bounce backs, and Devers is always a good watch. And for pitching I’m excited/curious to watch Bello, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock, Pivetta’s legitimacy test, and Giolito’s attempted bounce back. I just really didn’t expect to go into the season barely caring about their record, which is kind of how I’m feeling as of today as depressing as that is. Even if the team’s PR team had hit Tom Werner with a shovel before he could explain his life “mantra”, I don’t think anyone would have guessed that they’d merely acquire O’Neill, Giolito, & Grissom and effectively (to this point) be like, “Yup, we’re all set.”
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 13, 2024 10:15:58 GMT -5
Alex Cora has confirmed the plan is for Yoshida to get the biggest chunk of DH ABs and that the OF alignment is TBA. If the plan is to have Yoshida DH 50+% of the time I feel like they need to go out and try and sign Duvall or Michael Taylor.
If their preferred lineup has Yoshida DH'ing then that only leaves Duran/ONeill/Abreu/Refsnyder and maybe Rafaela for the OF but I could see a scenario they feel like Rafaela could use some more seasoning down in AAA. He only has 199 ABs in AAA right now.
If Yoshida getting a bulk of time DH'ing was their plan all along then I feel like any reports on Soler being a target for the Sox were likely overblown and it would seem doubtful to me he was ever really a target.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 13, 2024 10:20:33 GMT -5
Probably the biggest delta between fan expectations vs reality I’ve ever seen. I am very interested in watching Grissom, Abreu, Casas, Duran, Rafaela, Story/O’Neill attempted bounce backs, and Devers is always a good watch. And for pitching I’m excited/curious to watch Bello, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock, Pivetta’s legitimacy test, and Giolito’s attempted bounce back. I just really didn’t expect to go into the season barely caring about their record, which is kind of how I’m feeling as of today as depressing as that is. Even if the team’s PR team had hit Tom Werner with a shovel before he could explain his life “mantra”, I don’t think anyone would have guessed that they’d merely acquire O’Neill, Giolito, & Grissom and effectively (to this point) be like, “Yup, we’re all set.” I'd have actually been pretty close to okay with that until you told me that the way they got Grissom was by giving away Sale. And I like that trade, but it's the damnedest thing that everyone in the world was certain that starting pitching was the team's biggest need, that they'd definitely be players on the SP free agent market, that their new GM explicitly and repeatedly stated that starting pitching was their biggest need, that they have $30 million burning a hole in their pocket, and they're... going into the season with less starting pitching depth and talent than they had last season.
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Post by wamderingdude on Feb 13, 2024 10:25:20 GMT -5
Alex Cora has confirmed the plan is for Yoshida to get the biggest chunk of DH ABs and that the OF alignment is TBA. If the plan is to have Yoshida DH 50+% of the time I feel like they need to go out and try and sign Duvall or Michael Taylor. If their preferred lineup has Yoshida DH'ing then that only leaves Duran/ONeill/Abreu/Refsnyder and maybe Rafaela for the OF but I could see a scenario they feel like Rafaela could use some more seasoning down in AAA. He only has 199 ABs in AAA right now. If Yoshida getting a bulk of time DH'ing was their plan all along then I feel like any reports on Soler being a target for the Sox were likely overblown and it would seem doubtful to me he was ever really a target. I think i would take Duvall pretty easily hhere if those are my options. He can play a corner, maybe backup first base and hit Home runs which we desperately need. MAT wouldn’t do anything the Rafaela wouldn’t. Maybe it’s not smart to start ceddanne in the bigs, but i’d rather watch a young guy try to figure it out over the course of 162 than watch MAT put up an 80 wrc+ for a non contending team.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 13, 2024 10:30:00 GMT -5
Alex Cora has confirmed the plan is for Yoshida to get the biggest chunk of DH ABs and that the OF alignment is TBA. If the plan is to have Yoshida DH 50+% of the time I feel like they need to go out and try and sign Duvall or Michael Taylor. If their preferred lineup has Yoshida DH'ing then that only leaves Duran/ONeill/Abreu/Refsnyder and maybe Rafaela for the OF but I could see a scenario they feel like Rafaela could use some more seasoning down in AAA. He only has 199 ABs in AAA right now. If Yoshida getting a bulk of time DH'ing was their plan all along then I feel like any reports on Soler being a target for the Sox were likely overblown and it would seem doubtful to me he was ever really a target. I think i would take Duvall pretty easily hhere if those are my options. He can play a corner, maybe backup first base and hit Home runs which we desperately need. MAT wouldn’t do anything the Rafaela wouldn’t. Maybe it’s not smart to start ceddanne in the bigs, but i’d rather watch a young guy try to figure it out over the course of 162 than watch MAT put up an 80 wrc+ for a non contending team. Taylor to me just fits better as a 4th OF for this season. If Rafaela is on the MLB squad then he needs to be playing every day, I don't want to see him sitting on the bench. I also just read that Cora made it sound like Rafaela has a legitimate chance to be the starting CF out of the gate and if so then scratch the need for Duvall or another OFer. An OF of Rafaela in CF, Duran in LF and Abreu in RF with ONeill plugging into the COFs plenty with Refsnyder as the 5th OF is probably enough to cover the OF. Plus Yoshida is going to still play some LF so it'll depend what the plan is for Rafaela.
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Post by asm18 on Feb 13, 2024 10:33:40 GMT -5
Honestly Cora sounded like he’d be more than happy to live with offensive growing pains from Rafaela if it means every play in CF is an out. But I imagine the front office wants to manipulate his service time get Rafaela some more seasoning.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 13, 2024 10:58:57 GMT -5
Probably the biggest delta between fan expectations vs reality I’ve ever seen. I am very interested in watching Grissom, Abreu, Casas, Duran, Rafaela, Story/O’Neill attempted bounce backs, and Devers is always a good watch. And for pitching I’m excited/curious to watch Bello, Crawford, Houck, Whitlock, Pivetta’s legitimacy test, and Giolito’s attempted bounce back. I just really didn’t expect to go into the season barely caring about their record, which is kind of how I’m feeling as of today as depressing as that is. Even if the team’s PR team had hit Tom Werner with a shovel before he could explain his life “mantra”, I don’t think anyone would have guessed that they’d merely acquire O’Neill, Giolito, & Grissom and effectively (to this point) be like, “Yup, we’re all set.” Kennedy is on record saying the team is not complete. Don't know how much more "complete" the team feels with say Duvall and Clevenger or Ryu, but that tells me they will eventually add a couple of players. It's like they're waiting for everybody else to sign and they'll take the last item remaining. It's still possible that Duran and/or Kenley get traded soon, too. It's hard to think the team we see right now is what they roll with. I don't think there are any moves of impact left to make though. Unless they sign Montgomery, Snell or even JD Martinez, there is nobody left on the market that really moves the needle hardly at all. It's like they had all these issues, went out and got a RH bat in O'Neill, traded for an optionable bullpen arm with upside, traded a way a redundant headache for optionable starting pitching depth with upside, signed a struggling innings eater, traded their often injured ace for a long term solution to their 2b issue, and then decided to stop further helping their club leaving a lot of the same problems that plagued them the year before as the rotation didnt get deeper, the bullpen wasn't improved upon, the offense was left potentially without a righty impact bat to bat between Devers and Casas, and the defense is still suspect. They got off to an interesting start and then pretty much halted operations, all while having plenty of money available to make moves. Head shaking.
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Post by asm18 on Feb 13, 2024 11:23:01 GMT -5
From MassLive’s Chris Cotillo: “one industry source who has had recent contact with Red Sox said this morning they're actively trying to add an outfielder to the mix.”
If that’s from the free agency pool, I wonder what those conversations are like with the more well known candidates. Sox currently have OF playing time as Yoshida (when not DHing), Duran, O’Neill, Abreu (who Tom Werner said at Winter Weekend they envision getting 400 at bats), Refnsyder and Rafaela once he is “ready.” Like if you’re Michael A Taylor, do you worry if you sign in Boston for a 1 year deal that you just end up as either a platoon bat or traded in July?
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Feb 13, 2024 11:29:38 GMT -5
Honestly Cora sounded like he’d be more than happy to live with offensive growing pains from Rafaela if it means every play in CF is an out. But I imagine the front office wants to manipulate his service time get Rafaela some more seasoning. I'm right there with Cora on that front. Rafaella should be starting in CF. Assuming he does, I don't understand the need to sign someone like duval or cooper. Rafaella, Duran, Abreu, O'neil, Yoshida already leaves the team with one extra outfielder. The only move that makes sense offensively is adding a middle of the order righty bat. Outside of that, there's no point clogging up the roster with more mediocre of/dh types. Have to factor in the possibility of Mayer, Teel and to a lesser extent anthony making there way up to the big leagues by the end of the season as well. Pitching is where the biggest need right now is and all efforts should be focused. The team really needs another starter, maybe 2. Really don't want to go back down the road of forcing Whitlock and wink to start. Houck maybe, but the other two need to stay in the pen. I'd also be looking to move Jansen and to a lesser extent Martin.
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Post by cdj on Feb 13, 2024 11:31:39 GMT -5
I’ll take Michael A. Taylor at this point, pop/speed/defense. Just no hit tool
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 13, 2024 11:42:07 GMT -5
Unless they do end up deciding to deal Duran which there certainly is enough smoke that I think it's a real possibility then I don't understand the need for an OFer if Rafaela is going to be on the opening day roster. Cora saying Rafaela has a shot to break camp as the starting CF would lead me to believe Rafaela will be on the opening day roster.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 13, 2024 11:53:16 GMT -5
Bellinger, Pham, Duvall, Merrifield, Taylor, Kiké and Kemp are the OFs that are candidates for major league deals.
Bellinger is the only one that is really any better than our #6 OF. Past the top six the OF depth drops off a cliff so they might be able to attract the top guy that doesn't get a major league deal.
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