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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 19, 2023 13:02:00 GMT -5
Geesh. I was just trying to use an abstract example lol.
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Post by cdj on Oct 19, 2023 13:41:52 GMT -5
You realize you have to be powerful/explosive to be a YAC guy right? But yeah sure I know nothing. He has no ability to make plays after the catch now, his power is gone. He used to power/explode through tackles. He doesn’t do that now. I’m not making the claim that he used to jet by guys like Tyreek Hill I run with it because he barely did anything this summer! And then looks like this now! FTR possessions receivers can’t be YAC guys imo. They’re guys with reliable hands that you send out there to run to the sticks, catch the ball, and get the first down. David Givens was a possession receiver. Jakobi Meyers was a possession guy. Juju is no possession guy. Well, prime Juju at least. That guy was a playmaker. I guess this version is a possession guy because he just mostly falls down after the catch or gets immediately tackled now. When he was at his best he’s a guy you get out in space and have run through arm tacklers ^like this guy doesn’t exist right now ^not explosive at all. Is that the argument we’re really going to make? The guy with multiple 90+ yard touchdowns has never been explosive? If you got him the ball he used to make plays. As recently as last year too! He has no chemistry with Mac- that’s obvious- but he doesn’t look like the same guy either. He used to be dangerous with the ball in his hands, I don’t want to speak for everybody but I definitely don’t feel that anymore. Maybe he can be dealt if he restructures so KC takes on no risk getting him back. I don’t see it happening though. Guys can do yac multiple ways and no by NFL standards he's never been explosive. You can pick a few plays from any player and say look he's explosive. He's a possession receiver with yac ability that comes from strength and a little bit of juke. Don't act like I'm crazy, I backed up my claims with his scouting report coming from college. I picked that because that was peak JuJu. As his career has gone on you see less and less of that. Where's the bombs last year from Mahomes the best deep ball passer I've ever seen? Douglas and Boutte had more explosive college tape than Juju did. As you watched in that Chiefs video Mahomes danced around in pocket, bought Juju a ton of time for D to breakdown and the bills missed a tackle. If you force feed him the ball all season long I'd bet he have a few of those. We can't give him extra time for D to breakdown and have him get open and he isn't on same page with Mac Jones as we've seen on multiple throws. I'd bet day one of Chiefs he'd look like a different player and people would be bitching. Just like I bet the Charger fans are watching Jackson play well on the Patriots. Again this isn’t just me, but literally what his scouting report out of college said about him by a trusted source that knows what he's talking about. He’s basically crawling past safeties and corners, zero explosion as he scampers 90 yards to the house multiple times in his career. Zero playmaking ability whatsoever, he’s just a possession guy that falls when he catches it past the sticks! I don’t think Breer was making up the report about his knee, he has zero reason to. I was critical of the report at first but it seems pretty obvious to me now given his lack of summer work and his lack of YAC ability now- something he normally excels at |
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Post by mobaz on Oct 19, 2023 13:58:06 GMT -5
I played in a work flag football league a while ago at age 38; it was my first hard physical activity in years, and I've never ever been very athletic to begin with. And that was my game: I was always open in the 5-12 yard range, caught everything thrown my way, but had no "tackle" dodge and got caught immediately. Not excited to have someone who imitates my flag football career as one of our best options...
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Post by cdj on Oct 19, 2023 14:08:18 GMT -5
I played in a work flag football league a while ago at age 38; it was my first hard physical activity in years, and I've never ever been very athletic to begin with. And that was my game: I was always open in the 5-12 yard range, caught everything thrown my way, but had no "tackle" dodge and got caught immediately. Not excited to have someone who imitates my flag football career as one of our best options... Brandon Lloyd was like that but still had nice years! |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 19, 2023 15:44:10 GMT -5
Ameer Speed released.
EDIT - he was at practice, per reports. So they are likely making room for an activation (Davis, Flowers or Jack Jones) and hoping he gets to the PS.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 19, 2023 18:45:46 GMT -5
Guys can do yac multiple ways and no by NFL standards he's never been explosive. You can pick a few plays from any player and say look he's explosive. He's a possession receiver with yac ability that comes from strength and a little bit of juke. Don't act like I'm crazy, I backed up my claims with his scouting report coming from college. I picked that because that was peak JuJu. As his career has gone on you see less and less of that. Where's the bombs last year from Mahomes the best deep ball passer I've ever seen? Douglas and Boutte had more explosive college tape than Juju did. As you watched in that Chiefs video Mahomes danced around in pocket, bought Juju a ton of time for D to breakdown and the bills missed a tackle. If you force feed him the ball all season long I'd bet he have a few of those. We can't give him extra time for D to breakdown and have him get open and he isn't on same page with Mac Jones as we've seen on multiple throws. I'd bet day one of Chiefs he'd look like a different player and people would be bitching. Just like I bet the Charger fans are watching Jackson play well on the Patriots. Again this isn’t just me, but literally what his scouting report out of college said about him by a trusted source that knows what he's talking about. He’s basically crawling past safeties and corners, zero explosion as he scampers 90 yards to the house multiple times in his career. Zero playmaking ability whatsoever, he’s just a possession guy that falls when he catches it past the sticks! I don’t think Breer was making up the report about his knee, he has zero reason to. I was critical of the report at first but it seems pretty obvious to me now given his lack of summer work and his lack of YAC ability now- something he normally excels at Both happened his first two years playing with big Ben, Bell and Brown. Anything call happen in NFL, look we're playing Bryant at outside CB. Almost 600 targets and over 400 catches, you judge him based on a few lol. I'm surprised you don't call him Randy Moss given the way you rate guys. Last four years, long of 31, 24, 53 and 15. You just have it all wrong if you thought we were getting a 90 yard TD type WR. He's actually looked fine physical running longer routes, he just ran the wrong routes! |
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Post by cdj on Oct 19, 2023 19:18:32 GMT -5
He’s basically crawling past safeties and corners, zero explosion as he scampers 90 yards to the house multiple times in his career. Zero playmaking ability whatsoever, he’s just a possession guy that falls when he catches it past the sticks! I don’t think Breer was making up the report about his knee, he has zero reason to. I was critical of the report at first but it seems pretty obvious to me now given his lack of summer work and his lack of YAC ability now- something he normally excels at Both happened his first two years playing with big Ben, Bell and Brown. Anything call happen in NFL, look we're playing Bryant at outside CB. Almost 600 targets and over 400 catches, you judge him based on a few lol. I'm surprised you don't call him Randy Moss given the way you rate guys. Last four years, long of 31, 24, 53 and 15. You just have it all wrong if you thought we were getting a 90 yard TD type WR. He's actually looked fine physical running longer routes, he just ran the wrong routes! I’m judging him off being one of the best YAC guys in football, but again yes the guy who gets some of the most yards after catch in the sport has no explosive/powerful running ability or playmaking ability. Juju is actually totally fine right now and looks totally healthy + normal and would be a borderline 1000 yard guy in his current condition somewhere else. Just like Matt Patricia was actually a decent offensive coordinator. It’s a crime he doesn’t hold that position somewhere else after the good work he did last year. I wasn’t expecting a 90 yard guy, I was expecting a weapon after the catch and he’s not even close to that. |
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Post by rasimon on Oct 19, 2023 19:49:53 GMT -5
Before the season I thought the swap of Jakobi for JuJu was reasonable. I still think it was a reasonable swap, it just didnt work out. With Jacoby you know what you're getting. He's not going to be a WR1 but he's useful. With JuJu the ceiling is higher but the floor is lower. He's better after the catch but he has had some health issues. It might have worked out and it might not have... In hindsight it didn't work out. I probably wouldn't have made the swap, but it wasn't an unreasonable bet (unless they knew he was unhealthy). It certainly wasn't the most inexplicable move they made this offseason.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 20, 2023 10:22:19 GMT -5
Before the season I thought the swap of Jakobi for JuJu was reasonable. I still think it was a reasonable swap, it just didnt work out. With Jacoby you know what you're getting. He's not going to be a WR1 but he's useful. With JuJu the ceiling is higher but the floor is lower. He's better after the catch but he has had some health issues. It might have worked out and it might not have... In hindsight it didn't work out. I probably wouldn't have made the swap, but it wasn't an unreasonable bet (unless they knew he was unhealthy). It certainly wasn't the most inexplicable move they made this offseason. I'd be lying if I wasn't a fan of JuJu before signing here. I was probably the most vocal at the fact I hated him coming here as a swap for Meyers, but I did like the player. Meyers and Mac had chemistry. There's also the fact JuJu has done nothing when he didn't have Kelce/AB being the primary focus. This is ignoring the serious knee injury he sustained in the Superbowl. The risk/reward for an upgrade over Meyers just wasn't enough for me personally, but to have had both would have been ideal. This is like Bill trying to upgrade the kicking position when he didn't need to (albeit, slightly different since they went the route of youth through the draft). Someone who is more knowledgeable than me. Outside of the Christian Gonzalez and Pop Douglas, how has the rest of the draft looked? Good, bad, unable to grade? I honestly couldn't tell you anything about Keion White, Marte Mapu or any of the lineman they drafted. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2023 10:26:23 GMT -5
Both happened his first two years playing with big Ben, Bell and Brown. Anything call happen in NFL, look we're playing Bryant at outside CB. Almost 600 targets and over 400 catches, you judge him based on a few lol. I'm surprised you don't call him Randy Moss given the way you rate guys. Last four years, long of 31, 24, 53 and 15. You just have it all wrong if you thought we were getting a 90 yard TD type WR. He's actually looked fine physical running longer routes, he just ran the wrong routes! I’m judging him off being one of the best YAC guys in football, but again yes the guy who gets some of the most yards after catch in the sport has no explosive/powerful running ability or playmaking ability. Juju is actually totally fine right now and looks totally healthy + normal and would be a borderline 1000 yard guy in his current condition somewhere else. Just like Matt Patricia was actually a decent offensive coordinator. It’s a crime he doesn’t hold that position somewhere else after the good work he did last year. I wasn’t expecting a 90 yard guy, I was expecting a weapon after the catch and he’s not even close to that. Our offense sucks and he either has no chemistry with Jones or doesn't know the plays. Our OL sucks and our QB can't dance around and buy time, something big Ben and Mahomes did on the regular for him. You posted his longest yac run from last year and that's exactly what happened. They are using Douglas and Bourne to do the things I thought they'd use him for. Douglas is 11th in Yac/R and Bourne is 16th, which is amazing given our crap offense. Douglas is one of the most explosive and electric players in the NFL, something Juju has never been. His numbers will only increase if he actually starts playing the snaps he deserves. If anyone had known you'd find a guy like Douglas in the 6th round you don't sign Juju, that's painfully obvious. Even the Patriots weren't expecting this or they'd have taken him earlier. Juju isn't the only player under performing on this offense, because it sucks. Laugh all you want about Patricia, the savior O'Brian has made things worse. Matt Patricia looks very good right now given it was his first year and what a very experienced OC in O'Brian is doing. Nevermind it's painfully obvious now that Mac Jones locks onto certain players. First two years it was Meyers, now it's Bourne. This offense is designed to be like the ones with Brady where he spreads the ball around, goes after best matchups all game long. Mac Jones has yet to show he can actually do that. No Douglas, a good OL, Juju and Jones on same page we might get to see what Juju can do. That hasn't happened, but you’re blaming his knee off of one report. I haven't seen one play where his knee looks bad, he hasn't missed anytime with that knee in months. The guy had no inside knowledge, Patriots did a medical check and Juju called it false the minute it came out. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 20, 2023 10:39:42 GMT -5
I’m judging him off being one of the best YAC guys in football, but again yes the guy who gets some of the most yards after catch in the sport has no explosive/powerful running ability or playmaking ability. Juju is actually totally fine right now and looks totally healthy + normal and would be a borderline 1000 yard guy in his current condition somewhere else. Just like Matt Patricia was actually a decent offensive coordinator. It’s a crime he doesn’t hold that position somewhere else after the good work he did last year. I wasn’t expecting a 90 yard guy, I was expecting a weapon after the catch and he’s not even close to that. Our offense sucks and he either has no chemistry with Jones or doesn't know the plays. Our OL sucks and our QB can't dance around and buy time, something big Ben and Mahomes did on the regular for him. You posted his longest yac run from last year and that's exactly what happened. They are using Douglas and Bourne to do the things I thought they'd use him for. Douglas is 11th in Yac/R and Bourne is 16th, which is amazing given our crap offense. Douglas is one of the most explosive and electric players in the NFL, something Juju has never been. His numbers will only increase if he actually starts playing the snaps he deserves. If anyone had known you'd find a guy like Douglas in the 6th round you don't sign Juju, that's painfully obvious. Even the Patriots weren't expecting this or they'd have taken him earlier. Juju isn't the only player under performing on this offense, because it sucks. Laugh all you want about Patricia, the savior O'Brian has made things worse. Matt Patricia looks very good right now given it was his first year and what a very experienced OC in O'Brian is doing. Nevermind it's painfully obvious now that Mac Jones locks onto certain players. First two years it was Meyers, now it's Bourne. This offense is designed to be like the ones with Brady where he spreads the ball around, goes after best matchups all game long. Mac Jones has yet to show he can actually do that. No Douglas, a good OL, Juju and Jones on same page we might get to see what Juju can do. That hasn't happened, but you’re blaming his knee off of one report. I haven't seen one play where his knee looks bad, he hasn't missed anytime with that knee in months. The guy had no inside knowledge, Patriots did a medical check and Juju called it false the minute it came out. Well we can definitely agree on the offense sucking, that’s for sure |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 20, 2023 10:54:42 GMT -5
I’m judging him off being one of the best YAC guys in football, but again yes the guy who gets some of the most yards after catch in the sport has no explosive/powerful running ability or playmaking ability. Juju is actually totally fine right now and looks totally healthy + normal and would be a borderline 1000 yard guy in his current condition somewhere else. Just like Matt Patricia was actually a decent offensive coordinator. It’s a crime he doesn’t hold that position somewhere else after the good work he did last year. I wasn’t expecting a 90 yard guy, I was expecting a weapon after the catch and he’s not even close to that. Our offense sucks and he either has no chemistry with Jones or doesn't know the plays. Our OL sucks and our QB can't dance around and buy time, something big Ben and Mahomes did on the regular for him. You posted his longest yac run from last year and that's exactly what happened. They are using Douglas and Bourne to do the things I thought they'd use him for. Douglas is 11th in Yac/R and Bourne is 16th, which is amazing given our crap offense. Douglas is one of the most explosive and electric players in the NFL, something Juju has never been. His numbers will only increase if he actually starts playing the snaps he deserves. If anyone had known you'd find a guy like Douglas in the 6th round you don't sign Juju, that's painfully obvious. Even the Patriots weren't expecting this or they'd have taken him earlier. Juju isn't the only player under performing on this offense, because it sucks. Laugh all you want about Patricia, the savior O'Brian has made things worse. Matt Patricia looks very good right now given it was his first year and what a very experienced OC in O'Brian is doing. Nevermind it's painfully obvious now that Mac Jones locks onto certain players. First two years it was Meyers, now it's Bourne. This offense is designed to be like the ones with Brady where he spreads the ball around, goes after best matchups all game long. Mac Jones has yet to show he can actually do that. No Douglas, a good OL, Juju and Jones on same page we might get to see what Juju can do. That hasn't happened, but you’re blaming his knee off of one report. I haven't seen one play where his knee looks bad, he hasn't missed anytime with that knee in months. The guy had no inside knowledge, Patriots did a medical check and Juju called it false the minute it came out. A few things, 1. I would imagine the reasoning being they're not using JuJu for this is that he's currently hobbled and incapable of it. I think there might be some miscommunication between "explosiveness" from how I'm reading the messaging between you both. JuJu might not be an "explosive" guy, but if he's not able to put any power whatsoever on his knee and push himself then he's not going to get very far off the line, let alone carry the ball for any sort of YAC. He's not able to move with any sort of authority or power, however you want to describe it. Even guys who don't sync with QBs should be capable of having a game of more than 33 yards receiving (which he did week 1 and then went down to 28, 5, 14, 6, DNP). Something is clearly wrong with him outside of not understanding routes and having chemistry with Mac. As mentioned, Bourne has been fine despite being the only reliable target with a crap OL and a bad QB. He should be better than this. 2. Breer was the guy who popularized the topic, but he's hardly the only person who has expressed concerns over his knee. (can't copy from the article) steelersdepot.com/2021/03/fowler-smith-schusters-knee-injury-needed-frequent-treatment-last-two-years/www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2023/04/17/bedards-breakdown-how-much-of-a-difference-is-juju-smith-schuster-really-going-to-make-for-patriots3. Off topic, as much as I like Pop Douglas, wasn't a big knock on him like Tyquan in that he is an injury risk? I'm just wondering if his lack of usage has anything to do with that. |
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Oct 20, 2023 15:26:50 GMT -5
Before the season I thought the swap of Jakobi for JuJu was reasonable. I still think it was a reasonable swap, it just didnt work out. With Jacoby you know what you're getting. He's not going to be a WR1 but he's useful. With JuJu the ceiling is higher but the floor is lower. He's better after the catch but he has had some health issues. It might have worked out and it might not have... In hindsight it didn't work out. I probably wouldn't have made the swap, but it wasn't an unreasonable bet (unless they knew he was unhealthy). It certainly wasn't the most inexplicable move they made this offseason. I'd be lying if I wasn't a fan of JuJu before signing here. I was probably the most vocal at the fact I hated him coming here as a swap for Meyers, but I did like the player. Meyers and Mac had chemistry. There's also the fact JuJu has done nothing when he didn't have Kelce/AB being the primary focus. This is ignoring the serious knee injury he sustained in the Superbowl. The risk/reward for an upgrade over Meyers just wasn't enough for me personally, but to have had both would have been ideal. This is like Bill trying to upgrade the kicking position when he didn't need to (albeit, slightly different since they went the route of youth through the draft). Someone who is more knowledgeable than me. Outside of the Christian Gonzalez and Pop Douglas, how has the rest of the draft looked? Good, bad, unable to grade? I honestly couldn't tell you anything about Keion White, Marte Mapu or any of the lineman they drafted. I too didn't like the swap, Meyers and Mac, had very good chemistry. The thing I don't understand is for years all I heard was we don't need to spend big money on WR it's all about the system best coach and best QB in the NFL and we can take anybody and win and now that didn't apply to JuJu what change? I have blamed Kraft for years on this site about payroll but this on BB you had 11 million to spend on a WR and choose the wrong guy because of your ego. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 20, 2023 15:36:18 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I wasn't a fan of JuJu before signing here. I was probably the most vocal at the fact I hated him coming here as a swap for Meyers, but I did like the player. Meyers and Mac had chemistry. There's also the fact JuJu has done nothing when he didn't have Kelce/AB being the primary focus. This is ignoring the serious knee injury he sustained in the Superbowl. The risk/reward for an upgrade over Meyers just wasn't enough for me personally, but to have had both would have been ideal. This is like Bill trying to upgrade the kicking position when he didn't need to (albeit, slightly different since they went the route of youth through the draft). Someone who is more knowledgeable than me. Outside of the Christian Gonzalez and Pop Douglas, how has the rest of the draft looked? Good, bad, unable to grade? I honestly couldn't tell you anything about Keion White, Marte Mapu or any of the lineman they drafted. I too didn't like the swap, Meyers and Mac, had very good chemistry. The thing I don't understand is for years all I heard was we don't need to spend big money on WR it's all about the system best coach and best QB in the NFL and we can take anybody and win and now that didn't apply to JuJu what change? I have blamed Kraft for years on this site about payroll but this on BB you had 11 million to spend on a WR and choose the wrong guy because of your ego. Well, we don’t have the best qb in the world anymore so I’d say that was probably the biggest change |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 20, 2023 15:56:50 GMT -5
I too didn't like the swap, Meyers and Mac, had very good chemistry. The thing I don't understand is for years all I heard was we don't need to spend big money on WR it's all about the system best coach and best QB in the NFL and we can take anybody and win and now that didn't apply to JuJu what change? I have blamed Kraft for years on this site about payroll but this on BB you had 11 million to spend on a WR and choose the wrong guy because of your ego. Well, we don’t have the best qb in the world anymore so I’d say that was probably the biggest change A little bit of a downgrade from Brady to Mac. |
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Post by rasimon on Oct 20, 2023 18:33:42 GMT -5
PFF Brad predicts the Pats could get:
Mac <-> 4th round pick. Contenders dont trade for starting QBs.
Bourne <-> 4th or 5th round pick. He can plug into various roles.
Henry <-> 4th round pick CIN?
Onwenu <-> 4th even with the injury
Uche <-> 3rd, maybe 3rd + late day 3 pick
Duggar <-> franchise tag candidate? 2nd?
Mills <-> 6th or 7th. He kind of sucks but there are not a lot of DB sellers. He wants more playing time. DET?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Oct 20, 2023 20:34:14 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I wasn't a fan of JuJu before signing here. I was probably the most vocal at the fact I hated him coming here as a swap for Meyers, but I did like the player. Meyers and Mac had chemistry. There's also the fact JuJu has done nothing when he didn't have Kelce/AB being the primary focus. This is ignoring the serious knee injury he sustained in the Superbowl. The risk/reward for an upgrade over Meyers just wasn't enough for me personally, but to have had both would have been ideal. This is like Bill trying to upgrade the kicking position when he didn't need to (albeit, slightly different since they went the route of youth through the draft). Someone who is more knowledgeable than me. Outside of the Christian Gonzalez and Pop Douglas, how has the rest of the draft looked? Good, bad, unable to grade? I honestly couldn't tell you anything about Keion White, Marte Mapu or any of the lineman they drafted. I too didn't like the swap, Meyers and Mac, had very good chemistry. The thing I don't understand is for years all I heard was we don't need to spend big money on WR it's all about the system best coach and best QB in the NFL and we can take anybody and win and now that didn't apply to JuJu what change? I have blamed Kraft for years on this site about payroll but this on BB you had 11 million to spend on a WR and choose the wrong guy because of your ego. Which Patriot FO executive said that? Apparently I missed it. Btw, NE routinely spends to the cap. "Cheap Kraft" is a sh*t talk radio trope, not a real thing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2023 21:34:59 GMT -5
Our offense sucks and he either has no chemistry with Jones or doesn't know the plays. Our OL sucks and our QB can't dance around and buy time, something big Ben and Mahomes did on the regular for him. You posted his longest yac run from last year and that's exactly what happened. They are using Douglas and Bourne to do the things I thought they'd use him for. Douglas is 11th in Yac/R and Bourne is 16th, which is amazing given our crap offense. Douglas is one of the most explosive and electric players in the NFL, something Juju has never been. His numbers will only increase if he actually starts playing the snaps he deserves. If anyone had known you'd find a guy like Douglas in the 6th round you don't sign Juju, that's painfully obvious. Even the Patriots weren't expecting this or they'd have taken him earlier. Juju isn't the only player under performing on this offense, because it sucks. Laugh all you want about Patricia, the savior O'Brian has made things worse. Matt Patricia looks very good right now given it was his first year and what a very experienced OC in O'Brian is doing. Nevermind it's painfully obvious now that Mac Jones locks onto certain players. First two years it was Meyers, now it's Bourne. This offense is designed to be like the ones with Brady where he spreads the ball around, goes after best matchups all game long. Mac Jones has yet to show he can actually do that. No Douglas, a good OL, Juju and Jones on same page we might get to see what Juju can do. That hasn't happened, but you’re blaming his knee off of one report. I haven't seen one play where his knee looks bad, he hasn't missed anytime with that knee in months. The guy had no inside knowledge, Patriots did a medical check and Juju called it false the minute it came out. A few things, 1. I would imagine the reasoning being they're not using JuJu for this is that he's currently hobbled and incapable of it. I think there might be some miscommunication between "explosiveness" from how I'm reading the messaging between you both. JuJu might not be an "explosive" guy, but if he's not able to put any power whatsoever on his knee and push himself then he's not going to get very far off the line, let alone carry the ball for any sort of YAC. He's not able to move with any sort of authority or power, however you want to describe it. Even guys who don't sync with QBs should be capable of having a game of more than 33 yards receiving (which he did week 1 and then went down to 28, 5, 14, 6, DNP). Something is clearly wrong with him outside of not understanding routes and having chemistry with Mac. As mentioned, Bourne has been fine despite being the only reliable target with a crap OL and a bad QB. He should be better than this. 2. Breer was the guy who popularized the topic, but he's hardly the only person who has expressed concerns over his knee. (can't copy from the article) steelersdepot.com/2021/03/fowler-smith-schusters-knee-injury-needed-frequent-treatment-last-two-years/www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2023/04/17/bedards-breakdown-how-much-of-a-difference-is-juju-smith-schuster-really-going-to-make-for-patriots3. Off topic, as much as I like Pop Douglas, wasn't a big knock on him like Tyquan in that he is an injury risk? I'm just wondering if his lack of usage has anything to do with that. I haven't seen anything watching him play that says he's injured. I guess I'd ask why does it need to be injury? Why can't it be Douglas is a better player or Juju isn't a good fit? Like with Junno and Jackson, fit matters in football. Frankly more free agent signing are bad fits than good ones, it's why you should build through the draft. Parker, Bourne and JuJu isn't a good fit speed wise. Why I talked about trading Bourne in offseason, you need more speed. Douglas does that, I just had the wrong player. I'd say there is a massive difference in he might miss a game or two if his knee gets hit, compared to what Breer said. No I don't remember anything about that, he didn't miss tons of games in college. Maybe your standard crap you get for any small player. It was more small school and he got better each year. So only one year of major production at a small school. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2023 21:37:09 GMT -5
I'll add media reported Juju and Meyers got same 3 years 33 million deals, that's false, Juju got 3 years 25.5 million. Out after two years 18 million, 2.6 million in dead money
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Oct 20, 2023 21:45:00 GMT -5
benogliviesbrother Go ask New England Revolution fan that question. They just sold best young goalie in msl Djordje Petrović 24 years old to Chelsea football club for money. Now I don't need the FO to tell me they care about winning I can ascertain what that move about. I did here Kraft say he runs all his businesses the same, but let's just blame BB for that move too.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 20, 2023 23:11:10 GMT -5
A few things, 1. I would imagine the reasoning being they're not using JuJu for this is that he's currently hobbled and incapable of it. I think there might be some miscommunication between "explosiveness" from how I'm reading the messaging between you both. JuJu might not be an "explosive" guy, but if he's not able to put any power whatsoever on his knee and push himself then he's not going to get very far off the line, let alone carry the ball for any sort of YAC. He's not able to move with any sort of authority or power, however you want to describe it. Even guys who don't sync with QBs should be capable of having a game of more than 33 yards receiving (which he did week 1 and then went down to 28, 5, 14, 6, DNP). Something is clearly wrong with him outside of not understanding routes and having chemistry with Mac. As mentioned, Bourne has been fine despite being the only reliable target with a crap OL and a bad QB. He should be better than this. 2. Breer was the guy who popularized the topic, but he's hardly the only person who has expressed concerns over his knee. (can't copy from the article) steelersdepot.com/2021/03/fowler-smith-schusters-knee-injury-needed-frequent-treatment-last-two-years/www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2023/04/17/bedards-breakdown-how-much-of-a-difference-is-juju-smith-schuster-really-going-to-make-for-patriots3. Off topic, as much as I like Pop Douglas, wasn't a big knock on him like Tyquan in that he is an injury risk? I'm just wondering if his lack of usage has anything to do with that. I haven't seen anything watching him play that says he's injured. I guess I'd ask why does it need to be injury? Why can't it be Douglas is a better player or Juju isn't a good fit? Like with Junno and Jackson, fit matters in football. Frankly more free agent signing are bad fits than good ones, it's why you should build through the draft. Parker, Bourne and JuJu isn't a good fit speed wise. Why I talked about trading Bourne in offseason, you need more speed. Douglas does that, I just had the wrong player. I'd say there is a massive difference in he might miss a game or two if his knee gets hit, compared to what Breer said. No I don't remember anything about that, he didn't miss tons of games in college. Maybe your standard crap you get for any small player. It was more small school and he got better each year. So only one year of major production at a small school. I don't think Pop Douglas surpassed JuJu on the depth chart. He gets 2-3 targets per game. He gets roughly 20 yards receiving per game. JuJu is still getting more targets 7, 6, 3, 5, 4. I just can't believe a guy who got over 900 yards last year and is 26 can't crack 100 after 5 games (technically 6) without there being something wrong. Jonu Smith was bad for the Patriots, but his y/r was identical despite roughly 150 yards less than the year prior. Yeah, I believe Douglas concern is entirely just based on his body size. |
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Post by rasimon on Oct 21, 2023 5:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Oct 21, 2023 7:30:35 GMT -5
I don’t like losing young talent in a year like this. He was very raw defensively and may never see the field on that end but he’s still big and fast as hell and this team needs all the speed it can get
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 21, 2023 9:51:28 GMT -5
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