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Patriots 2023 Season Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 15, 2023 21:20:54 GMT -5
I dislike Callaghan & it is because he makes these types of stupid claims. But it increases his profile & surely Fellah and Mazolli will have him on to discuss and maybe traitor Zolak too. Once Dan Patrick and Rich Eisen tire of the nothingburger #FakeHairShill gives them on the regular, maybe it will lead to a national profile. Such are the games they play. And now Rob Gronkowski is saying Mac Jones should ask for his release saying he's not respected in New England. That after Callahan claiming it's an 80-20 split. nypost.com/2023/11/15/sports/mac-jones-should-ask-for-patriots-release-rob-gronkowski/I don't know why the immediate response on here is to shoot down reports. Just like JuJu's knee. He hasn't missed time over it, but he's clearly not the same player with Zolak during games saying he lacks explosiveness and burst off the line during games. These guys get told the wrong stuff on purpose at times and can be wrong, but usually where there's smoke, there's fire. I wouldn't be shocked if Mac starts against the Giants. The team doesn't care for Zappe and Mac is still a better QB, which is a sad situation for this team. Though, Bill raved about Boutte and then benched him so who knows. Right after Zolak says that Juju jumps crazy high on sidelines to make a nice catch. Honest question, did that look like a guy with one destroyed knee? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 15, 2023 21:56:52 GMT -5
And now Rob Gronkowski is saying Mac Jones should ask for his release saying he's not respected in New England. That after Callahan claiming it's an 80-20 split. nypost.com/2023/11/15/sports/mac-jones-should-ask-for-patriots-release-rob-gronkowski/I don't know why the immediate response on here is to shoot down reports. Just like JuJu's knee. He hasn't missed time over it, but he's clearly not the same player with Zolak during games saying he lacks explosiveness and burst off the line during games. These guys get told the wrong stuff on purpose at times and can be wrong, but usually where there's smoke, there's fire. I wouldn't be shocked if Mac starts against the Giants. The team doesn't care for Zappe and Mac is still a better QB, which is a sad situation for this team. Though, Bill raved about Boutte and then benched him so who knows. Right after Zolak says that Juju jumps crazy high on sidelines to make a nice catch. Honest question, did that look like a guy with one destroyed knee? His only catch of the day. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 15, 2023 22:15:00 GMT -5
I dislike Callaghan & it is because he makes these types of stupid claims. But it increases his profile & surely Fellah and Mazolli will have him on to discuss and maybe traitor Zolak too. Once Dan Patrick and Rich Eisen tire of the nothingburger #FakeHairShill gives them on the regular, maybe it will lead to a national profile. Such are the games they play. . Clips with captions get posted on social media regularly. I haven't turned into their show in years. It's been said, You are what you eat -- I decided they didn't provide anything useful or good for me. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 15, 2023 22:23:03 GMT -5
I dislike Callaghan & it is because he makes these types of stupid claims. But it increases his profile & surely Fellah and Mazolli will have him on to discuss and maybe traitor Zolak too. Once Dan Patrick and Rich Eisen tire of the nothingburger #FakeHairShill gives them on the regular, maybe it will lead to a national profile. Such are the games they play. It is not just an immediate response but a measured response. Take his claim at face value: he knows how 53 men (not counting the practice squad) honestly feel about their teammate. That is absurd. If he went around asking each of the 53 players, Hey, you, how confident are you in Mac (which, surely, he did not), what percentage would give to him any sort of candid opinion? He's a media guy, and not an especially friendly to the home team one at that. Beat it, bud, I see your game. The players aren't stupid. And his claim is not a report. It's an opinion being sold as a report. Which is the worst kind. Which is why he sucks more than some others. Amazing that folks fall for this garbage. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2023 7:14:50 GMT -5
And now Rob Gronkowski is saying Mac Jones should ask for his release saying he's not respected in New England. That after Callahan claiming it's an 80-20 split. nypost.com/2023/11/15/sports/mac-jones-should-ask-for-patriots-release-rob-gronkowski/I don't know why the immediate response on here is to shoot down reports. Just like JuJu's knee. He hasn't missed time over it, but he's clearly not the same player with Zolak during games saying he lacks explosiveness and burst off the line during games. These guys get told the wrong stuff on purpose at times and can be wrong, but usually where there's smoke, there's fire. I wouldn't be shocked if Mac starts against the Giants. The team doesn't care for Zappe and Mac is still a better QB, which is a sad situation for this team. Though, Bill raved about Boutte and then benched him so who knows. Right after Zolak says that Juju jumps crazy high on sidelines to make a nice catch. Honest question, did that look like a guy with one destroyed knee? I’m no knee expert but can’t your knee be messed up with regards to being able to do different things? For instance, you can blow an ACL and never get it repaired. You’ll be able to walk and go forward just fine after a while but it’s cutting side to side that will be affected. My only question/point is, just because some one can jump does that mean his other movements aren’t affected? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 16, 2023 8:28:01 GMT -5
... I don't know why the immediate response on here is to shoot down reports ... It is not just an immediate response but a measured response. Take his claim at face value: he knows how 53 men (not counting the practice squad) honestly feel about their teammate. That is absurd. If he went around asking each of the 53 players, Hey, you, how confident are you in Mac (which, surely, he did not), what percentage would give to him any sort of candid opinion? He's a media guy, and not an especially friendly to the home team one at that. Beat it, bud, I see your game. The players aren't stupid. And his claim is not a report. It's an opinion being sold as a report. Which is the worst kind. Which is why he sucks more than some others. Amazing that folks fall for this garbage. Let's say he talked to two guys in the team. Wouldn't those 2 guys have a pulse as to how the locker room is feeling? Why would he need to talk to everyone? What if JuJu or Parker told him, "yeah, most of us are over the Mac Jones experience. How many of us? Probably 80-20". Does Callahan really have to go to the rest of the guys to relay that message? I would think the guys he's talking to has a pulse as to how their teammates feel. Again, I don't think he's just making things up. He was told something by someone in the locker room. Stevenson said he still believes in Mac. Zeke said he didn't know if a QB change would help. JuJu said it was something they'd need to figure out after the bye. The problem though is that they don't have any competent options. I'd like to see Zappe, but it's becoming more and more obvious the entire QB room needs to be replaced next year so it doesn't overly matter. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2023 8:52:16 GMT -5
It is not just an immediate response but a measured response. Take his claim at face value: he knows how 53 men (not counting the practice squad) honestly feel about their teammate. That is absurd. If he went around asking each of the 53 players, Hey, you, how confident are you in Mac (which, surely, he did not), what percentage would give to him any sort of candid opinion? He's a media guy, and not an especially friendly to the home team one at that. Beat it, bud, I see your game. The players aren't stupid. And his claim is not a report. It's an opinion being sold as a report. Which is the worst kind. Which is why he sucks more than some others. Amazing that folks fall for this garbage. Let's say he talked to two guys in the team. Wouldn't those 2 guys have a pulse as to how the locker room is feeling? Why would he need to talk to everyone? What if JuJu or Parker told him, "yeah, most of us are over the Mac Jones experience. How many of us? Probably 80-20". Does Callahan really have to go to the rest of the guys to relay that message? I would think the guys he's talking to has a pulse as to how their teammates feel. Again, I don't think he's just making things up. He was told something by someone in the locker room. Stevenson said he still believes in Mac. Zeke said he didn't know if a QB change would help. JuJu said it was something they'd need to figure out after the bye. The problem though is that they don't have any competent options. I'd like to see Zappe, but it's becoming more and more obvious the entire QB room needs to be replaced next year so it doesn't overly matter. My guess is he talked to “people around the team”. I doubt teammates would tell a reporter that they don’t like someone on their own team who’s not an a-hole and tries hard but just isn’t very good. |
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Post by costpet on Nov 16, 2023 9:14:32 GMT -5
If they have nothing to lose, why not give Cunningham a shot? What could it hurt? Grier and Zappe don't have much, so why not? With him running around, it could be fun. At least, interesting.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2023 9:43:09 GMT -5
If they have nothing to lose, why not give Cunningham a shot? What could it hurt? Grier and Zappe don't have much, so why not? With him running around, it could be fun. At least, interesting. Why do we say Grier doesn’t have much? Also, if you know Cunningham isn’t ready then putting him in is detrimental to him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2023 10:18:12 GMT -5
Right after Zolak says that Juju jumps crazy high on sidelines to make a nice catch. Honest question, did that look like a guy with one destroyed knee? His only catch of the day. And? It's like others saying Gesecki was a bad signing based on production. You breakdown the tape, the guy gets wide open and Mac Jones can't get him the ball. Mac Jones sucks right now, everyone's production would be better with a different QB. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2023 10:37:50 GMT -5
Right after Zolak says that Juju jumps crazy high on sidelines to make a nice catch. Honest question, did that look like a guy with one destroyed knee? I’m no knee expert but can’t your knee be messed up with regards to being able to do different things? For instance, you can blow an ACL and never get it repaired. You’ll be able to walk and go forward just fine after a while but it’s cutting side to side that will be affected. My only question/point is, just because some one can jump does that mean his other movements aren’t affected? The report was his knee was completely shot, we've haven't seen anything to show that. Boston media given what it is, if true no follow reports? No time missed given his knee is completely shot? It's everything wrong with Boston sports media, one guys opinion in a report with no evidence and people run with it! I posted his scouting report coming out of College, he was never like a Douglas, he was known back then as a contested catch guy you couldn't easily get separation all the time. He's not going to look explosive playing X WR and it's not because of his knee. He cut just fine on that intercepted pass and was wide open, Mac Jones was late with the ball. If you go on X and see the videos being are posting he's actually getting open like many other players. Mac Jones just sucks, locks into one guy/route and is missing people. Go watch the play last game that O'Brian flipped out on him, Juju and Gesecki are both wide open, so was Stevenson. What did he do? Holds ball and throws it late. Let's be real, given no follow up reports, Patriots did a physical, his knee isn't completely shot. It's people giving an opinion because of his lack of production. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2023 10:47:17 GMT -5
Grier had good arm talent in College, it was a crazy college offense though. If I remember right he's short, but I'd give him a shot. Cummingham while having a good arm, lacks arm talent in a massive way. It's why an athlete like him went undrafted and they tried him at WR. He's a developmental guy, see if you can redo everything and unlock something down the road like next year or year after.
At the same time do we want Grier to do well and destroy the Giants? That's the #1 must lose game left on the schedule!
Now if you just want to tank, okay play Cummingham. I just don’t think most people realize how bad his arm talent is. You'd be better off running wild cat and triple option with him. That's the type of QB he currently is and do you want to destroy his confidence?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 16, 2023 12:01:23 GMT -5
His only catch of the day. And? It's like others saying Gesecki was a bad signing based on production. You breakdown the tape, the guy gets wide open and Mac Jones can't get him the ball. Mac Jones sucks right now, everyone's production would be better with a different QB. So, Mac Jones is so bad that JuJu looks like he doesn't belong in the league? We agree Mac is bad, but he's not causing guys to get 1 catch for 9 yards bad. He has 149 yards on the season through 10 games. His YAC is 2.8 per reception. Per season numbers 5.8 5.5 4.2 4.5 6.0 2.8 I can't believe Zolak doesn't know what he's talking about during games either. I'm willing to bet his agent this off-season will be out there promising a better season because he was recovering from the knee. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 16, 2023 12:10:28 GMT -5
Let's say he talked to two guys in the team. Wouldn't those 2 guys have a pulse as to how the locker room is feeling? Why would he need to talk to everyone? What if JuJu or Parker told him, "yeah, most of us are over the Mac Jones experience. How many of us? Probably 80-20". Does Callahan really have to go to the rest of the guys to relay that message? I would think the guys he's talking to has a pulse as to how their teammates feel. Again, I don't think he's just making things up. He was told something by someone in the locker room. Stevenson said he still believes in Mac. Zeke said he didn't know if a QB change would help. JuJu said it was something they'd need to figure out after the bye. The problem though is that they don't have any competent options. I'd like to see Zappe, but it's becoming more and more obvious the entire QB room needs to be replaced next year so it doesn't overly matter. My guess is he talked to “people around the team”. I doubt teammates would tell a reporter that they don’t like someone on their own team who’s not an a-hole and tries hard but just isn’t very good. Maybe, but Zeke and JuJu weren't giving ringing endorsements either. |
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Post by dcb26 on Nov 16, 2023 12:36:07 GMT -5
I can't believe Zolak doesn't know what he's talking about during games either. I have no opinion on the outcome of this conversation but in general you're probably better off going with the opposite of anything Zolak says. Seems to me like he just uses the game broadcasts to build up talking points for his show, but regardless he tends to be comicly incorrect about what happened on the field if you watch the TV broadcast while listening to the radio |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 16, 2023 12:44:51 GMT -5
It is not just an immediate response but a measured response. Take his claim at face value: he knows how 53 men (not counting the practice squad) honestly feel about their teammate. That is absurd. If he went around asking each of the 53 players, Hey, you, how confident are you in Mac (which, surely, he did not), what percentage would give to him any sort of candid opinion? He's a media guy, and not an especially friendly to the home team one at that. Beat it, bud, I see your game. The players aren't stupid. And his claim is not a report. It's an opinion being sold as a report. Which is the worst kind. Which is why he sucks more than some others. Amazing that folks fall for this garbage. Let's say he talked to two guys in the team. Wouldn't those 2 guys have a pulse as to how the locker room is feeling? Why would he need to talk to everyone? What if JuJu or Parker told him, "yeah, most of us are over the Mac Jones experience. How many of us? Probably 80-20". Does Callahan really have to go to the rest of the guys to relay that message? I would think the guys he's talking to has a pulse as to how their teammates feel. Again, I don't think he's just making things up. He was told something by someone in the locker room. Stevenson said he still believes in Mac. Zeke said he didn't know if a QB change would help. JuJu said it was something they'd need to figure out after the bye. The problem though is that they don't have any competent options. I'd like to see Zappe, but it's becoming more and more obvious the entire QB room needs to be replaced next year so it doesn't overly matter. To be clear, I NEVER shot down the report. I "shot down" the use of "statistics" as though they could possibly be accurate or meaningful. I have no doubt that Mac has lost the team. I'm not sure how he couldn't have. But attaching 80/20 infers a measurement that couldnt have possibly taken place. And it's so unnecessary. Either he is incorrectly extrapolating or the source is. Either way, it's just absurd. Just say a large part of the room is out on him. Why add the suggestion that some sort of data was collected. No need. |
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Post by jmei on Nov 16, 2023 15:43:12 GMT -5
So much of sports media reporting is just anonymous gossip. It's tabloids for grown men who watch other grown men play games. That doesn't mean all of it is wrong, just means that you have to take it with a huge grain of salt (e.g., since the reporter and/or the source of the information may have an ax to grind or not know what they're talking about).
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 16, 2023 18:39:22 GMT -5
& along those lines ... national reporter Charissa Thompson has admitted she makes it up, as needed.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2023 20:00:43 GMT -5
Let's say he talked to two guys in the team. Wouldn't those 2 guys have a pulse as to how the locker room is feeling? Why would he need to talk to everyone? What if JuJu or Parker told him, "yeah, most of us are over the Mac Jones experience. How many of us? Probably 80-20". Does Callahan really have to go to the rest of the guys to relay that message? I would think the guys he's talking to has a pulse as to how their teammates feel. Again, I don't think he's just making things up. He was told something by someone in the locker room. Stevenson said he still believes in Mac. Zeke said he didn't know if a QB change would help. JuJu said it was something they'd need to figure out after the bye. The problem though is that they don't have any competent options. I'd like to see Zappe, but it's becoming more and more obvious the entire QB room needs to be replaced next year so it doesn't overly matter. To be clear, I NEVER shot down the report. I "shot down" the use of "statistics" as though they could possibly be accurate or meaningful. I have no doubt that Mac has lost the team. I'm not sure how he couldn't have. But attaching 80/20 infers a measurement that couldnt have possibly taken place. And it's so unnecessary. Either he is incorrectly extrapolating or the source is. Either way, it's just absurd. Just say a large part of the room is out on him. Why add the suggestion that some sort of data was collected. No need. I’ll answer the question of “how couldn’t he” with the fact that guys have mirrors and at least on the offensive side of the ball none of them are really doing their jobs all that well short of maybe David Andrews, but even he’s part of a position group that is overall setting Mac up for failure. IMO anyone not doing their part looking at someone else is a loser. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2023 20:04:16 GMT -5
By the way here is a player going on record to refute the report:
“Of course I’m gonna believe in Mac. ... He hasn’t lost us. That’s wild. But no, he hasn’t lost any of us on the team,” Tavai said. “So it’ll be a good week for him to just get away from football. And when he gets back I hope he knows all 52 other guys are ready to get after it with him.”
So we going to believe the player on record or a reporter making up statistics with no sources of record?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2023 10:09:54 GMT -5
And? It's like others saying Gesecki was a bad signing based on production. You breakdown the tape, the guy gets wide open and Mac Jones can't get him the ball. Mac Jones sucks right now, everyone's production would be better with a different QB. So, Mac Jones is so bad that JuJu looks like he doesn't belong in the league? We agree Mac is bad, but he's not causing guys to get 1 catch for 9 yards bad. He has 149 yards on the season through 10 games. His YAC is 2.8 per reception. Per season numbers 5.8 5.5 4.2 4.5 6.0 2.8 I can't believe Zolak doesn't know what he's talking about during games either. I'm willing to bet his agent this off-season will be out there promising a better season because he was recovering from the knee. You can't believe that maybe he doesn't look explosive watching a game because he's not an overly explosive player and the other guys look better? He's not more explosive than Douglas, Boutte and Gesecki, especially when they play him on the outside. I posted his draft scouting report from NFL.com. So you don't trust them? An actual scout who watch all his college tape? Was Bourne injured last year? Is Gesecki injured the last two years? Production goes up and down for tons of players every year. Based on things like the offense and who the QB was. Go on X and watch some of the breakdowns, you'll see Mac Jones is a broken QB. O'Brian went crazy on him last game, play had 3 open players, he waited too long and got nothing. That QB play on one of the worst offenses in the league versus the Chiefs and Mahomes the best QB in the league. Go back and watch the interception two games ago. If you want Yac yards Mac Jones needs to throw the ball earlier, hit him in stride and give him a chance to run. Simple crap, we watched Brady do that with Welker and Edelman for years! It's all about timing. Mac Jones has no timing right now. He's thinking and not reacting, which is game over in the NFL. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2023 11:10:17 GMT -5
Raiders released FB Jakob Johnson
I miss him
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 17, 2023 11:18:11 GMT -5
Raiders released FB Jakob Johnson I miss him I don't. To paraphrase Patrick Ewing (in Atlanta), He makes a lot of blocks but he misses a lot too. But if he returns I will celebrate his excellence and ignore his deficiencies. No athlete is perfect. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2023 11:43:04 GMT -5
No real room for him anyway, they have Pharaoh Brown back there at times and he’s just an overall more useful player
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Post by mobaz on Nov 17, 2023 11:44:02 GMT -5
I'm still done with Mac, but some numbers to make sure we know he's not alone
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