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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 17, 2023 12:16:19 GMT -5
Btw, Dan was challenged on his citing of separation stat by a former NFL'er & could not muster up a counter argument. It is a very flawed metric, perhaps to the point of being useless.
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Nov 17, 2023 16:41:46 GMT -5
This is why I will never just blame Mac Jones only. If the Patriots draft one of the top QB's next year and ruin him too they will never have a top college player want to play here unless they're projected in the middle of the draft and take him in top 5 pick. The money Patriots will cost Mac in his career is not a good look for players or agents and I don't care if you agree with me or not just because your personality is you need be to right in a discussion. Stats don't lie and they never put Mac in a position to succeed with the exception of his rookie year and when I see someone being wronged, I show compassion.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 17, 2023 18:06:06 GMT -5
"Patriots ruined Mac" elicits so many questions:
He had no hand in his "ruin"?
Did they set out to do this or was it sheer incompetence?
If the latter, why didn't they also ruin TB or Matty C or Jimmy?
How did they pull off such ruining?
How mentally weak does one have to be to be "ruined" by a coach(es) & wouldn't such weakness be a more likely culprit?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 17, 2023 19:18:43 GMT -5
Btw, Dan was challenged on his citing of separation stat by a former NFL'er & could not muster up a counter argument. It is a very flawed metric, perhaps to the point of being useless. Yeah because it only measures the separation on made throws. You can have two guys wide open, Mac Jones throws to a guy well covered and it looks bad for those stats. Players can be open, Jones waits and now it's a covered WR ball. QB ability, how he sees the field and which throws he makes better in those stats. I can tell you this, Tom Brady would flip those stats on this same exact team. |
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Nov 17, 2023 20:54:54 GMT -5
I never said Mac was blameless, but when you have one of the lowest payroll in football plus take his best WR away in Jakobi Meyers and replace him with Juju who only playing because injury to Kendrick Bourne, then choose sit-down Demario Douglas over a fumble sign Parker mia and pass on Hopkins over money and not play Kayshon Boutte because he didn't get his feet down and told a reporter he got first reps with the team and should play and BB gets mad sits him again. Mac is relying on 2 #6rd draft picks, but if he gets frustrated it shows mental weakness. Offensive line have you watch the games this year? Five sacks in the first half, but all of them was on Mac right? He looks like deer in headlights do I need to say more on how bad offensive line is? When your head coach has mental weakness like BB does, he likes to hold players accountable but not himself he likes mumble mess with microphones out of frustration it will reflect on your players. TB you can't ruin him he made BB it played out and there nothing you can say about it anymore. Jimmy he traded him San Francisco 49ers took less to put in a situation to succeed you think he would do that for Mac?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 17, 2023 21:06:46 GMT -5
I never said Mac was blameless, but when you have one of the lowest payroll in football plus take his best WR away in Jakobi Meyers and replace him with Juju who only playing because injury to Kendrick Bourne, then choose sit-down Demario Douglas over a fumble sign Parker mia and pass on Hopkins over money and not play Kayshon Boutte because he didn't get his feet down and told a reporter he got first reps with the team and should play and BB gets mad sits him again. Mac is relying on 2 #6rd draft pick, but if he gets frustrated it shows mental weakness. Offensive line have you watch the games this year? Five sacks in the first half, but all of them was on Mac right? He looks like deer in headlights do I need to say more on how bad offensive line is? When your head coach has mental weakness like BB does, he likes to hold players accountable but not himself he likes mumble mess with microphones out of frustration it will reflect on your players. TB you can't ruin him he made BB it played out and there nothing you can say about it anymore. Jimmy he traded him San Francisco 49ers took less to put in a situation to succeed you think he would do that for Mac? If this were a court of law I would object to your (multiple) claims of facts not in evidence. You attribute actions to others that no one (but the other) knows if it's true. Your whole argument is stacked on this house of sand. But carry on. |
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Nov 17, 2023 21:19:18 GMT -5
And the jury would find me in favor of this case. Tell what part did I make up? Stand behind your words tell me?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 17, 2023 22:41:25 GMT -5
And the jury would find me in favor of this case. Tell what part did I make up? Stand behind your words tell me? I highlighted all the conjecture you argue as fact. Because Bert Breer "was hearing" or "feeling like" does not make it so. |
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Nov 18, 2023 9:09:14 GMT -5
I don't read or listen to local sports media it's very rarely now, but while doing yard work this week I did tune in and all they did is bash the new Celtics announcers.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 18, 2023 11:22:45 GMT -5
So, Mac Jones is so bad that JuJu looks like he doesn't belong in the league? We agree Mac is bad, but he's not causing guys to get 1 catch for 9 yards bad. He has 149 yards on the season through 10 games. His YAC is 2.8 per reception. Per season numbers 5.8 5.5 4.2 4.5 6.0 2.8 I can't believe Zolak doesn't know what he's talking about during games either. I'm willing to bet his agent this off-season will be out there promising a better season because he was recovering from the knee. You can't believe that maybe he doesn't look explosive watching a game because he's not an overly explosive player and the other guys look better? He's not more explosive than Douglas, Boutte and Gesecki, especially when they play him on the outside. I posted his draft scouting report from NFL.com. So you don't trust them? An actual scout who watch all his college tape? Was Bourne injured last year? Is Gesecki injured the last two years? Production goes up and down for tons of players every year. Based on things like the offense and who the QB was. Go on X and watch some of the breakdowns, you'll see Mac Jones is a broken QB. O'Brian went crazy on him last game, play had 3 open players, he waited too long and got nothing. That QB play on one of the worst offenses in the league versus the Chiefs and Mahomes the best QB in the league. Go back and watch the interception two games ago. If you want Yac yards Mac Jones needs to throw the ball earlier, hit him in stride and give him a chance to run. Simple crap, we watched Brady do that with Welker and Edelman for years! It's all about timing. Mac Jones has no timing right now. He's thinking and not reacting, which is game over in the NFL. Because I think the verbiage is questionable. Like, he might not be an "explosive receiver", but I would think any NFL WR needs to have initial burst and explosiveness off the line and that initial burst is what he's lacking, if that makes sense? JuJu is a YAC guy who's not getting any YAC, or receptions. Mac isn't so terrible he hasn't made big plays. He dropped a beautiful bomb to Parker during the Raiders game that Parker just dropped. That's an example of Mac making a tremendous pass. He's capable of it every once in awhile. Jackobi Meyers got a pretty sizeable contract with Mac Jones throwing to him. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 18, 2023 14:35:19 GMT -5
I don't read or listen to local sports media it's very rarely now, but while doing yard work this week I did tune in and all they did is bash the new Celtics announcers. TV or radio announcers? I enjoy Scal & the new guy on TV. Last night with the Red Rocket as 3rd man was a hoot. Scal tends to hold the know-nothings in low regard so maybe they don't like him? |
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Nov 18, 2023 14:53:35 GMT -5
TV I enjoy them too, Red Rocket that was a good story he told about Paul & KG.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 18, 2023 19:50:03 GMT -5
You can't believe that maybe he doesn't look explosive watching a game because he's not an overly explosive player and the other guys look better? He's not more explosive than Douglas, Boutte and Gesecki, especially when they play him on the outside. I posted his draft scouting report from NFL.com. So you don't trust them? An actual scout who watch all his college tape? Was Bourne injured last year? Is Gesecki injured the last two years? Production goes up and down for tons of players every year. Based on things like the offense and who the QB was. Go on X and watch some of the breakdowns, you'll see Mac Jones is a broken QB. O'Brian went crazy on him last game, play had 3 open players, he waited too long and got nothing. That QB play on one of the worst offenses in the league versus the Chiefs and Mahomes the best QB in the league. Go back and watch the interception two games ago. If you want Yac yards Mac Jones needs to throw the ball earlier, hit him in stride and give him a chance to run. Simple crap, we watched Brady do that with Welker and Edelman for years! It's all about timing. Mac Jones has no timing right now. He's thinking and not reacting, which is game over in the NFL. Because I think the verbiage is questionable. Like, he might not be an "explosive receiver", but I would think any NFL WR needs to have initial burst and explosiveness off the line and that initial burst is what he's lacking, if that makes sense? JuJu is a YAC guy who's not getting any YAC, or receptions. Mac isn't so terrible he hasn't made big plays. He dropped a beautiful bomb to Parker during the Raiders game that Parker just dropped. That's an example of Mac making a tremendous pass. He's capable of it every once in awhile. Jackobi Meyers got a pretty sizeable contract with Mac Jones throwing to him. Not unless you think Meyers is injured. He's not an explosive player, he's not an initial burst and explosiveness off the line guy. He's a crazy smart ex QB who runs great routes, is awesome finding holes in zone D and can make some tough catches. So no I really don't understand how this proves one guys report that Juju knee is completely shot. Yeah Jones doesn't suck because he made a few good passes all year, good QB do that every game! BTW that pass to Parker was a little off and it still might be his best all year. I'm not going to get into timing throws again, but that's what Juju needs to get yac yards. Passes that hit him in stride and allow him to run. Jones has been horrible doing that, throwing passes late. Jimmy G who has basically sucked this year, a late round rookie and Hoyer are getting more out of Meyers than Mac Jones ever did. Cam Newton washed up got crap from Meyers, even bouncing more passes off the ground than any other QB I've ever seen in a season. Mac Jones isn't good and he's hurting players production. He openly admits he lacks chemistry with the WRs not named Bourne, everyone of them isn't the problem. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 18, 2023 21:55:58 GMT -5
Jayden QB1
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Post by marrcus on Nov 18, 2023 22:09:44 GMT -5
I caught about a half of the USC game this afternoon. Didn't think C.Williams looked too sharp. He was sacked twice in a row and maybe shaken up a little. But his last game (likely)at SCal, was mediocre. Now of course that does nothing to his value. But I do see some risk in taking him #1. He did hit a wide open Rice with a "moon ball" for his big strike of the day: |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 19, 2023 8:27:21 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2023 10:37:47 GMT -5
Context UCLA 11th ranked D in Country, USC runs for only 3 yards all game. All Caleb Williams does is throw for 380 plus yards while completing almost 75% of his passes with no first round talent at WR.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 19, 2023 10:50:51 GMT -5
I think it's the interceptions, he's over thinking everything because he doesn't want to throw more and it just makes things worse. If they continue to play him, if I'm O'Brian I tell him to play free and don't care about them. I can live with interceptions, I can't live with him not throwing to open guys and over thinking everything. The thing most people miss, is this crap started his rookie year. Take out the Jags game, one of the worst teams in football, he threw more interceptions than TDs in his like last 7 games his rookie year. The minute they opened up the playbook and gave him more responsibility he started to crumble |
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Post by cdj on Nov 19, 2023 11:04:04 GMT -5
That’s a sick throw from Williams
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 19, 2023 11:22:04 GMT -5
Because I think the verbiage is questionable. Like, he might not be an "explosive receiver", but I would think any NFL WR needs to have initial burst and explosiveness off the line and that initial burst is what he's lacking, if that makes sense? JuJu is a YAC guy who's not getting any YAC, or receptions. Mac isn't so terrible he hasn't made big plays. He dropped a beautiful bomb to Parker during the Raiders game that Parker just dropped. That's an example of Mac making a tremendous pass. He's capable of it every once in awhile. Jackobi Meyers got a pretty sizeable contract with Mac Jones throwing to him. Not unless you think Meyers is injured. He's not an explosive player, he's not an initial burst and explosiveness off the line guy. He's a crazy smart ex QB who runs great routes, is awesome finding holes in zone D and can make some tough catches. So no I really don't understand how this proves one guys report that Juju knee is completely shot. Yeah Jones doesn't suck because he made a few good passes all year, good QB do that every game! BTW that pass to Parker was a little off and it still might be his best all year. I'm not going to get into timing throws again, but that's what Juju needs to get yac yards. Passes that hit him in stride and allow him to run. Jones has been horrible doing that, throwing passes late. Jimmy G who has basically sucked this year, a late round rookie and Hoyer are getting more out of Meyers than Mac Jones ever did. Cam Newton washed up got crap from Meyers, even bouncing more passes off the ground than any other QB I've ever seen in a season. Mac Jones isn't good and he's hurting players production. He openly admits he lacks chemistry with the WRs not named Bourne, everyone of them isn't the problem. No one on here seemed to think signing JuJu was a bad idea. Just about everyone went crazy over the YAC yards and assured he was going to be a better signing than Meyers. Since that time, Meyers has done well with the Raiders and JuJu looks like he shouldn't be in the NFL. Now, the problem is Mac is just completely and utterly inept and that's why JuJu was being healthy scratched? Yes, Mac Jones is a bad QB. He could still make occasional throws. Mac was also very good against the Bills. Pop Douglas and Kendrick Bourne you can see the talent they bring to the field. Last week JuJu was active for 68 out of 69 snaps and got 1 target. They need him on the field because of the mounting injuries and the fact they're giving him decent money. If his performance this year has zero to do with health, that's probably more concerning. Meyers YAC/R this year is down from last year from 3.5 to 2.7. The rest of his stats are pretty much aligned with what he was doing with Mac Jones. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2023 15:23:43 GMT -5
Heading into the first games last quarters, here’s what Pats fans should want:
1. Giants win
2. Packers win
3. Jets win
4. Carolina win (within 7 so I mentioned it but it’s not happening)
Edit add: Arizona win over Houston, back within - score with 10 left.
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Post by jmei on Nov 19, 2023 16:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 19, 2023 16:14:29 GMT -5
Giants win big against the team that beat you. Love it. Gives me hope for next week.
Packers win giving Patriots some insurance.
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Post by pedromartinez1999 on Nov 19, 2023 16:17:53 GMT -5
I watch this game Tommy DeVito look good in this game bad news WR Darius Slayton was having a monster game but got hurt let's hope he good for next week.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 19, 2023 16:21:10 GMT -5
So got big wins from Giants and Packer… Jets and Rams wins would be a great afternoon. We want Jets in playoff race so hopefully Rodgers is back when we play them at the end of the year.
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