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Patriots 2023 Season Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Nov 19, 2023 16:26:56 GMT -5
Best week of the season for us
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Nov 19, 2023 16:36:19 GMT -5
Strange mindset for me, but it's reality. Hoping we lose and our 'competition' wins. A great week so far!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 19, 2023 16:47:09 GMT -5
Best week of the season for us It's too bad the Bears and Cardinals had to spoil making it a very awesome weekend. |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 19, 2023 18:45:16 GMT -5
Only Arizona and Carolina stand in the way of epic Patriots anti- greatness!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 19, 2023 20:35:19 GMT -5
Rams win. Awesome.
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Post by cdj on Nov 19, 2023 20:45:43 GMT -5
Only Arizona and Carolina stand in the way of epic Patriots anti- greatness! Kyler is gonna have AZ win some games too, almost got today done on the road against a hot Houston team And if he doesn’t and AZ wants to draft a new Qb then trading for him works for me too. It’s not as shiny as a #1 or #2 pick for a QB but he’s still pretty dang good out there |
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Post by cdj on Nov 20, 2023 8:17:20 GMT -5
Report out there that the Bears would have to be blown away by a QB prospect to take one over Fields
I love hearing that!
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Post by texs31 on Nov 20, 2023 11:16:43 GMT -5
Report out there that the Bears would have to be blown away by a QB prospect to take one over Fields I love hearing that! Even if we take that as true, it probably doesn't change much. The only way QBs don't go 1 and 2 is if there are enough question marks about 1 of them (and there appears to be a lot of negative smoke - I have 0 idea of it's valid - on Caleb) that NE should probably go WR (can NOT afford to miss on a pick this high). IF Chicago doesn't take a QB, they are likely trading to someone who does. Still think you need 1 or 2 to get the QB, regardless of this proclamation. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 20, 2023 11:33:46 GMT -5
Report out there that the Bears would have to be blown away by a QB prospect to take one over Fields I love hearing that! Even if we take that as true, it probably doesn't change much. The only way QBs don't go 1 and 2 is if there are enough question marks about 1 of them (and there appears to be a lot of negative smoke - I have 0 idea of it's valid - on Caleb) that NE should probably go WR (can NOT afford to miss on a pick this high). IF Chicago doesn't take a QB, they are likely trading to someone who does. Still think you need 1 or 2 to get the QB, regardless of this proclamation. I definitely agree that it will take a top 2- it would just be ideal if one of those 2 teams wasn’t QB needy so we could at the very least move up Or we just keep sucking and get the pick ourselves. We did lose to a team Tommy Devito just carved up after all |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2023 11:43:02 GMT -5
Not unless you think Meyers is injured. He's not an explosive player, he's not an initial burst and explosiveness off the line guy. He's a crazy smart ex QB who runs great routes, is awesome finding holes in zone D and can make some tough catches. So no I really don't understand how this proves one guys report that Juju knee is completely shot. Yeah Jones doesn't suck because he made a few good passes all year, good QB do that every game! BTW that pass to Parker was a little off and it still might be his best all year. I'm not going to get into timing throws again, but that's what Juju needs to get yac yards. Passes that hit him in stride and allow him to run. Jones has been horrible doing that, throwing passes late. Jimmy G who has basically sucked this year, a late round rookie and Hoyer are getting more out of Meyers than Mac Jones ever did. Cam Newton washed up got crap from Meyers, even bouncing more passes off the ground than any other QB I've ever seen in a season. Mac Jones isn't good and he's hurting players production. He openly admits he lacks chemistry with the WRs not named Bourne, everyone of them isn't the problem. No one on here seemed to think signing JuJu was a bad idea. Just about everyone went crazy over the YAC yards and assured he was going to be a better signing than Meyers. Since that time, Meyers has done well with the Raiders and JuJu looks like he shouldn't be in the NFL. Now, the problem is Mac is just completely and utterly inept and that's why JuJu was being healthy scratched? Yes, Mac Jones is a bad QB. He could still make occasional throws. Mac was also very good against the Bills. Pop Douglas and Kendrick Bourne you can see the talent they bring to the field. Last week JuJu was active for 68 out of 69 snaps and got 1 target. They need him on the field because of the mounting injuries and the fact they're giving him decent money. If his performance this year has zero to do with health, that's probably more concerning. Meyers YAC/R this year is down from last year from 3.5 to 2.7. The rest of his stats are pretty much aligned with what he was doing with Mac Jones. This is about health. The guy saying we need to take a QB with our first round pick no matter what, is now arguing Mac Jones isn't the reason a player could have bad stats. Bad production doesn't mean he's injured and his knee is completely shot. You don't want to face facts, like Meyers fits your example off the line that you think proves Juju is injured the way one report said with zero proof. I'd also say the way you frame people thoughts on Meyers and Juju is completely off. I'm on record wanting Meyers back and he got way less money than I was expecting. At the same time Juju being more of a pure Patriot like slot WR at less money also made sense. What none of us knew was that Mac Jones can't use a Patriot style slot WR because he's not good at timing throws. Nevermind he'd get worse under O'Brian than he was under MP, everyone expected the exact opposite. Than add in a player like Douglas, the star of training camp since day one. We got fooled, most draft scouts said Mac Jones was perfect for Patriots, heck some went as far as Brady with better wheels. He's nothing like Brady and a bad fit for our offense and our style of play, coaching and roster building. Frankly we should have known, given his college tape wasn't timing throws, just huge plays to wide open WR. You just expected him to improve and get better, that hasn't happened |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2023 11:49:02 GMT -5
Report out there that the Bears would have to be blown away by a QB prospect to take one over Fields I love hearing that! That's funny considering how bad they lost last game because Fields could get a first down or FG to tie. One of the worst losses in NFL history and Fields while a great athlete and playmaker, still hasn't proven he's a good thrower at QB. I do wonder what the Patriots and Bill could have done with Fields though. |
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Post by mobaz on Nov 20, 2023 13:25:18 GMT -5
Spread It Around is dead. Look at all the most functional offenses and they have a 1A WR dominating yards. They then usually have a functional TE who is Top 3/4 in yards, and a two headed RB.
If we are #3, sprint to the stage to grab MHJ and find a QB with a day 2 pick (via trade or draft). If we are top 2, there are some incredible WR options in this draft; someone's gonna fall to late 1st or Day 2.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 20, 2023 13:45:59 GMT -5
Report out there that the Bears would have to be blown away by a QB prospect to take one over Fields I love hearing that! Even if we take that as true, it probably doesn't change much. The only way QBs don't go 1 and 2 is if there are enough question marks about 1 of them (and there appears to be a lot of negative smoke - I have 0 idea of it's valid - on Caleb) that NE should probably go WR (can NOT afford to miss on a pick this high). IF Chicago doesn't take a QB, they are likely trading to someone who does. Still think you need 1 or 2 to get the QB, regardless of this proclamation.It is very early in the process and, admittedly, I know very little about the QBs entering the draft --- BUT -- on the surface there are many intriguing prospects with superior tools & production. It is looking like a minimum of five 1st round QBs, possibly seven (Williams, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix, Beck, Daniels -- no particular order). A couple of those guys might not come out. I'm not convinced it's Williams or Maye or bust. In fact, I'd wager one of the other five has a superior NFL career to one or the other. But which one? I'm looking forward to learning more about these QBs and shifting my opinion a dozen times between now and April 25th. The Athletic has a nice column on QBs up: theathletic.com/5075179/2023/11/20/nfl-draft-2024-qbs-carson-beck-jj-mccarthy/ |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2023 14:03:09 GMT -5
Spread It Around is dead. Look at all the most functional offenses and they have a 1A WR dominating yards. They then usually have a functional TE who is Top 3/4 in yards, and a two headed RB. If we are #3, sprint to the stage to grab MHJ and find a QB with a day 2 pick (via trade or draft). If we are top 2, there are some incredible WR options in this draft; someone's gonna fall to late 1st or Day 2. Dolphins 9 guys with TDs #1 offense, Dallas 8 guys with TDs #2 offense, Chiefs 9 guys, Patriots 5 guys 2nd worst offense. The best offenses certainly spread it around and if you can do that with an elite guy that's certainly the best way. No defense can stop everyone, good ones can slowdown certain players if you have nothing else you're in trouble. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 20, 2023 14:06:14 GMT -5
It’s gonna suck when this team rips off 3 more wins and ends up with pick 12
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2023 14:12:27 GMT -5
It’s gonna suck when this team rips off 3 more wins and ends up with pick 12 Last year 5 wins got you either pick 5 or 6. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 20, 2023 14:27:46 GMT -5
It’s gonna suck when this team rips off 3 more wins and ends up with pick 12 As I alluded to earlier, if a QB is needed, this just might be the year where you can find one without trading up. So three happy Sundays AND the next guy? Cool. Sign me up. Scenario #1 (if they don't have the three happy Sundays & BB is sitting there with the #1 pick): Goodell: Welcome to the 2024 NFL Draft. Audience: BOOOOOOOOO!!! Goodell: We have a trade ... Bill could have a legendary time trading down, and down again, and again. Finally drafting Carson Beck with the 27th pick. Bill: We thought Carson was good value there. Looking forward to working with him. |
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Post by mobaz on Nov 20, 2023 15:12:49 GMT -5
Spread It Around is dead. Look at all the most functional offenses and they have a 1A WR dominating yards. They then usually have a functional TE who is Top 3/4 in yards, and a two headed RB. If we are #3, sprint to the stage to grab MHJ and find a QB with a day 2 pick (via trade or draft). If we are top 2, there are some incredible WR options in this draft; someone's gonna fall to late 1st or Day 2. Dolphins 9 guys with TDs #1 offense, Dallas 8 guys with TDs #2 offense, Chiefs 9 guys, Patriots 5 guys 2nd worst offense. The best offenses certainly spread it around and if you can do that with an elite guy that's certainly the best way. No defense can stop everyone, good ones can slowdown certain players if you have nothing else you're in trouble. Really?? Dolphins receiving: #1 Tyreek 108 targets, 79 Rec, 1,222 yards #2 Waddle 67/44/577 #3 Braxton Berrios, 25/20/194 Dallas #1 CeeDee 95/74/1,013 #2 Jake Ferguson 55/39/386 #3 Cooks 45/27/380 Philly #1 AJ Brown 92/67/1,005 #2 D Smith 60/42/533 #3 Dallas Goedert 52/38/410 SFO #1 Aiyuk 61/43/831 #2 Kittle 56/43/648 #3 Deebo 40/27/395 Etc. etc. Don't make me type this crap out! I have better things to do! |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 20, 2023 16:30:35 GMT -5
No one on here seemed to think signing JuJu was a bad idea. Just about everyone went crazy over the YAC yards and assured he was going to be a better signing than Meyers. Since that time, Meyers has done well with the Raiders and JuJu looks like he shouldn't be in the NFL. Now, the problem is Mac is just completely and utterly inept and that's why JuJu was being healthy scratched? Yes, Mac Jones is a bad QB. He could still make occasional throws. Mac was also very good against the Bills. Pop Douglas and Kendrick Bourne you can see the talent they bring to the field. Last week JuJu was active for 68 out of 69 snaps and got 1 target. They need him on the field because of the mounting injuries and the fact they're giving him decent money. If his performance this year has zero to do with health, that's probably more concerning. Meyers YAC/R this year is down from last year from 3.5 to 2.7. The rest of his stats are pretty much aligned with what he was doing with Mac Jones. This is about health. The guy saying we need to take a QB with our first round pick no matter what, is now arguing Mac Jones isn't the reason a player could have bad stats. Bad production doesn't mean he's injured and his knee is completely shot. You don't want to face facts, like Meyers fits your example off the line that you think proves Juju is injured the way one report said with zero proof. I'd also say the way you frame people thoughts on Meyers and Juju is completely off. I'm on record wanting Meyers back and he got way less money than I was expecting. At the same time Juju being more of a pure Patriot like slot WR at less money also made sense. What none of us knew was that Mac Jones can't use a Patriot style slot WR because he's not good at timing throws. Nevermind he'd get worse under O'Brian than he was under MP, everyone expected the exact opposite. Than add in a player like Douglas, the star of training camp since day one. We got fooled, most draft scouts said Mac Jones was perfect for Patriots, heck some went as far as Brady with better wheels. He's nothing like Brady and a bad fit for our offense and our style of play, coaching and roster building. Frankly we should have known, given his college tape wasn't timing throws, just huge plays to wide open WR. You just expected him to improve and get better, that hasn't happened Yes, they need a QB no matter what because even if Mac Jones hit his ceiling, he's a QB only capable of potentially going on a deep run if he has a complete, HoF worthy team around him. Despite this, look at super scrub Tommy Devito. He showed that anyone in this league can make throws and have big games on occasion. Heck, Scott Zolak was AFC player of the week twice. The point is, JuJu has flashed nothing. If you put Tom Brady back in center I still can't see this player getting the numbers he got in KC last year. His numbers would be better, but I don't think he'd still be any good. 1 target in 68 snaps out of a possible 69 when the teams best receiver is done for the year tells me the game plan is to not throw him the football unless he's insanely open. But maybe I'm wrong and JuJu has very healthy knees. I'm probably more concerned about him if that's the case. Injuries heal, but for what he's being paid he has to be better. 149 yards in 8 games is awful. I will say that beyond the knee injury was the fact he hadn't been very good without AB/Kelce/Big Ben/ Mahomes. This just feels next level. Pop Douglas doesn't need the yards to show you his ankle breaking abilities. I know once they get a QB in here the kid is going to be a stud. I can see potential in Boutte and Henry and Bourne have been fine. JuJu to me just looks like a guy who is done. But we'll see. The off-season will be interesting. I'm still betting either the agent or the player is going to make a comment about how they've never been so healthy going into the next season. Knee questions and rumors have dogged him since Pittsburgh. Healthy or not, as bad and terrible as Mac is, JuJu isn't absolved of his entire lack of production. In fact, I think by week 1 we were hearing he wasn't even considered a top 5 WR internally. |
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Post by congusgambler33 on Nov 20, 2023 16:57:37 GMT -5
Looks like Caleb williams is well on the way to being ours in the draft. Carolina has Bryce and needs help in other areas. wii bill pull the trigger though.hmmm. Doubt it. OT.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 20, 2023 17:08:53 GMT -5
Looks like Caleb williams is well on the way to being ours in the draft. Carolina has Bryce and needs help in other areas. wii bill pull the trigger though.hmmm. Doubt it. OT. The Bears have Carolina's pick. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 20, 2023 18:04:08 GMT -5
As much as I hope the Bears are idiots and don't take a QB with one of their top 2 picks, I can't see them passing (no pun intended) on taking Caleb Williams and then giving him MHJ to throw to.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2023 19:31:15 GMT -5
Dolphins 9 guys with TDs #1 offense, Dallas 8 guys with TDs #2 offense, Chiefs 9 guys, Patriots 5 guys 2nd worst offense. The best offenses certainly spread it around and if you can do that with an elite guy that's certainly the best way. No defense can stop everyone, good ones can slowdown certain players if you have nothing else you're in trouble. Really?? Dolphins receiving: #1 Tyreek 108 targets, 79 Rec, 1,222 yards #2 Waddle 67/44/577 #3 Braxton Berrios, 25/20/194 Dallas #1 CeeDee 95/74/1,013 #2 Jake Ferguson 55/39/386 #3 Cooks 45/27/380 Philly #1 AJ Brown 92/67/1,005 #2 D Smith 60/42/533 #3 Dallas Goedert 52/38/410 SFO #1 Aiyuk 61/43/831 #2 Kittle 56/43/648 #3 Deebo 40/27/395 Etc. etc. Don't make me type this crap out! I have better things to do! Yeah really? None of the top 6 offenses in football meet your requirements, the best example would be Detriot #6 with LaPorta being 5th in yards as a TE. The best offense has no good TE and spreads it around like crazy to the tune of 101 catches, 1,108 yards and 9 TDs that you don't list lol. Dallas doesn't have a top TE and spreads it around. Philly actually doesn't spread it around, but no top TE or two good RBs, 49ers is four players and only one good RB. Baltimore doesn't have one WR dominating yards. Chiefs are very much a spread it around offense. Last years superbowl champion doesn't come close to meeting your requirements this year or last year, Dominant TE, but very much a spread it around offense. Give me a good QB that can spread it around all day long over a #1 WR with a so so QB that can't. I'm not against taking Harrison Jr. over reaching, it's just your example doesn't fit and without a good QB it doesn't matter who your weapons are. Chiefs got rid of their #1WR to more balance the team and have been darn good since they did. All about the QB, that's modern day football. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 20, 2023 21:45:31 GMT -5
As much as I hope the Bears are idiots and don't take a QB with one of their top 2 picks, I can't see them passing (no pun intended) on taking Caleb Williams and then giving him MHJ to throw to. There's a good chance the Pats will have the second QB taken and I'm perfectly fine with that because Williams and Maye are studs. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 20, 2023 21:46:25 GMT -5
As much as I hope the Bears are idiots and don't take a QB with one of their top 2 picks, I can't see them passing (no pun intended) on taking Caleb Williams and then giving him MHJ to throw to. There's a good chance the Pats will have the second QB taken and I'm perfectly fine with that because Williams and Maye are studs. I'm happy with either as well. |
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