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Patriots 2023 Season Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2023 14:14:10 GMT -5
This is about health. The guy saying we need to take a QB with our first round pick no matter what, is now arguing Mac Jones isn't the reason a player could have bad stats. Bad production doesn't mean he's injured and his knee is completely shot. You don't want to face facts, like Meyers fits your example off the line that you think proves Juju is injured the way one report said with zero proof. I'd also say the way you frame people thoughts on Meyers and Juju is completely off. I'm on record wanting Meyers back and he got way less money than I was expecting. At the same time Juju being more of a pure Patriot like slot WR at less money also made sense. What none of us knew was that Mac Jones can't use a Patriot style slot WR because he's not good at timing throws. Nevermind he'd get worse under O'Brian than he was under MP, everyone expected the exact opposite. Than add in a player like Douglas, the star of training camp since day one. We got fooled, most draft scouts said Mac Jones was perfect for Patriots, heck some went as far as Brady with better wheels. He's nothing like Brady and a bad fit for our offense and our style of play, coaching and roster building. Frankly we should have known, given his college tape wasn't timing throws, just huge plays to wide open WR. You just expected him to improve and get better, that hasn't happened Yes, they need a QB no matter what because even if Mac Jones hit his ceiling, he's a QB only capable of potentially going on a deep run if he has a complete, HoF worthy team around him. Despite this, look at super scrub Tommy Devito. He showed that anyone in this league can make throws and have big games on occasion. Heck, Scott Zolak was AFC player of the week twice. The point is, JuJu has flashed nothing. If you put Tom Brady back in center I still can't see this player getting the numbers he got in KC last year. His numbers would be better, but I don't think he'd still be any good. 1 target in 68 snaps out of a possible 69 when the teams best receiver is done for the year tells me the game plan is to not throw him the football unless he's insanely open. But maybe I'm wrong and JuJu has very healthy knees. I'm probably more concerned about him if that's the case. Injuries heal, but for what he's being paid he has to be better. 149 yards in 8 games is awful. I will say that beyond the knee injury was the fact he hadn't been very good without AB/Kelce/Big Ben/ Mahomes. This just feels next level. Pop Douglas doesn't need the yards to show you his ankle breaking abilities. I know once they get a QB in here the kid is going to be a stud. I can see potential in Boutte and Henry and Bourne have been fine. JuJu to me just looks like a guy who is done. But we'll see. The off-season will be interesting. I'm still betting either the agent or the player is going to make a comment about how they've never been so healthy going into the next season. Knee questions and rumors have dogged him since Pittsburgh. Healthy or not, as bad and terrible as Mac is, JuJu isn't absolved of his entire lack of production. In fact, I think by week 1 we were hearing he wasn't even considered a top 5 WR internally. I'd bet a ton of money Brady makes Juju look like a completely different player. Bradys skill set as the best timing thrower in NFL history is exactly what makes a player like Juju crazy better. Did you read the Warner piece Texas posted? His timing is off and his accuracy, those are key traits to maximizing a true Patriot like slot WR. It also helps explain why we haven't seen Thornton running any slants, his 2nd best route in College and no one could guard him. I don't remember seeing a single one in two years now. Do it right and he can use his speed for big yac yards, timing is off it goes for a few yards Yeah no crap Douglas is one of the most explosive WR this team has had in 20 years! We'll get to see next year with a new QB. No way do you play a guy that many snaps and say you aren't in the game plan! That's Mac Jones 100%, seen the same crap with Parker after that horrible pass in Maimi that got picked off. He acts like it's the players fault and stops going to him. Go on X and watch some of the breakdowns, Juju was open big time on multiple plays, Mac Jones wouldn't even look his way. Instead of let's put in more work and get this Chemistry going, he does that crap! End result he's not even scanning the field on a bunch of plays, locking into one route and player, which is crazy. He's completely broken. Maybe the extra week can help fix him because what's wrong right now his him, not the OL or his weapons. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2023 14:19:49 GMT -5
The question we really need answered is who declares at QB. For the Patriots sake you want everyone to do it. Will that happen? Does Sanders still come out? From top 5 pick to 2nd round or later, now injured after a brutal stretch of games and play.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 21, 2023 14:41:59 GMT -5
The question we really need answered is who declares at QB. For the Patriots sake you want everyone to do it. Will that happen? Does Sanders still come out? From top 5 pick to 2nd round or later, now injured after a brutal stretch of games and play. Mel's updated player ratings are out (I live out of the Boston market & have to get ESPN+ to watch the Bruins, so ESPN Insider content for a couple more months) and he has Sanders as #3 QB and #5 overall. Surprising. But it's early (as Mel says) and his ranking will change. I thought Deion said his son wasn't coming out this year? Anyone know? I agree with UMass (that doesn't happen every day!) -- the more QBs who come out, the better. Seems inevitable there's going to be a good QB late #1, early #2. Btw, Mel's Top 25 has: 6 WR, 6 OT, 4 CB, 3 QB, 2 DT, 2 LB/DE, 1 TE, 1 OG. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 21, 2023 14:53:35 GMT -5
FWIW - The other guys at ESPN (Matt Miller, Jordan Reid, Field Yates) don't believe there is an obvious QB3 without Sanders (and they feel it's unlikely right now that he declares - and yes, Deion said he was staying but who knows).
In their mock draft (currently have them picking 4th bc they are using FPI), they suggest going best player (in this case, Fashanu at OT) and then going after the 2nd Tier QBs (either in the early 2nd or trading up in the 1st to get "their guy").
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Post by mobaz on Nov 21, 2023 16:27:58 GMT -5
FWIW - The other guys at ESPN (Matt Miller, Jordan Reid, Field Yates) don't believe there is an obvious QB3 without Sanders (and they feel it's unlikely right now that he declares - and yes, Deion said he was staying but who knows). In their mock draft (currently have them picking 4th bc they are using FPI), they suggest going best player (in this case, Fashanu at OT) and then going after the 2nd Tier QBs (either in the early 2nd or trading up in the 1st to get "their guy"). Pennix, Daniels, and Nix scare me as older guys who failed badly before they succeeded in great situations. But all three are BALLING. Did the actually grow, or are they men succeeding against boys, or are they just in lucky situations? I'd consider them in the 1st (prob not at 3?) depending on Senior Bowl and workouts results. None of Ewers, McCarthy, Riley Leonard, Tyler Van Dyke stepped up as underclassmen. Sanders and Carson Beck (lots of recent love from Brugler) are the only underclassmen who seem better off than when the year started. Beck is someone to keep an eye on who might move up in the postseason and pre-draft process. How is he actually better than Stetson Bennett? Not sure! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2023 12:21:49 GMT -5
It's funny ESPN is so in love with Sanders most other places aren't, but it's very all over the place right now. PFF has 5 QBs rated in 1st round, but Sanders at 38. McCarthy is another one you see top ten by some people, others 2nd round.
The most interesting thing per PFF is 5 QBs first round, 3 2nd round and 11 top 100 QBs if everyone comes out. That's as loaded a class as you'll see. Also why a bunch likely don't come out.
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Post by cdj on Nov 22, 2023 15:02:39 GMT -5
What interests me about Sanders as a 2nd round option is that he’s already used to playing behind a trash offensive line
I think he stays with his dad for a final year though
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Nov 22, 2023 23:28:09 GMT -5
Re: Sanders as a Patriot -- some may remember Deion for a couple of years used to do a Sunday night recap show with LaDainian Tomlinson & Chris Rose after all the games were over. I enjoyed the opinions of the 2 HoF players and they had a nice chemistry, at least amongst themselves -- Chris Rose was a spare part.
Anyways, when doing NE highlights, multiple times Deion said it was a career regret of his that he never played for Bill. Said he considered BB the goat & would have loved to have been coached by him.
Should his son become a Patriot I'd expect Deion would say, "Now you listen good to that man."
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Post by cdj on Nov 23, 2023 2:15:33 GMT -5
Priority 1 is getting him re-signed
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2023 11:56:24 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 23, 2023 12:50:43 GMT -5
Thing is, I really don't see the Bears passing on a QB. Justin Fields sucks. I'm not sure the Cardinals pass either. One thing to consider is that it's possible the Cardinals end up winning more games than the Pats. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 23, 2023 15:09:45 GMT -5
If Maye and Williams aren't top2 picks (in some order), then I don't see whomever doesn't go being the 3rd pick.
Someone either trades in to take them or something comes up that leads to a more significant drop.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 23, 2023 19:17:51 GMT -5
Priority 1 is getting him re-signed A 5th round pick! |
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Post by cdj on Nov 23, 2023 19:19:39 GMT -5
Priority 1 is getting him re-signed A 5th round pick! 6th even! It’s all moot now since the team seems to want to at least consider bringing back Uche |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 23, 2023 19:34:49 GMT -5
6th even! It’s all moot now since the team seems to want to at least consider bringing back Uche Lol my thing is as long as they bring him back I'm OK with it. Just have to do it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2023 20:42:07 GMT -5
Lots of football left, I was focusing more on getting Williams and where EE was drafted then we had third pick and all that crap.
I don't think it's crazy for Bears to take Harrison, who might be the highest rated WR since Calvin Johnson. Seen lots of people say he's the best player and WR are much less risky. Now I also don't think it's likely and I wouldn't do it, but it's the Bears. They also have two high picks, so it could be take Harrison and then a different QB they like.
One thing is for sure, current boards will completely change by the time the combine is over.
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Post by cdj on Nov 24, 2023 7:29:16 GMT -5
Couldn’t tell you how that’s possible
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 24, 2023 7:41:26 GMT -5
BTW JC Jackson comments show why he's on the team and why Jack Jones was let go. He owned his mistakes, said it was his fault, it won't happen again and he wants to be here for the rest of his career. Jack Jones acted like he did nothing wrong and saying the team wasn't a good fit for him.
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Post by costpet on Nov 24, 2023 9:07:27 GMT -5
If the first 2 QBs are taken before the Pats pick, they could choose between Harrison or an OT. I wonder which way they would go. I think WR is a game changer, so for me it’s Harrison.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 24, 2023 13:43:28 GMT -5
I think it’s a given he’s back unless a team offers real money to him, which is unlikely. However, if they did, I wouldn’t be too keen on using real cap space for him. It’s interesting looking at his grade history on PFF, he alternates back and forth each year. One year is a lot better pass-blocking and the next it’s run blocking. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 24, 2023 15:40:55 GMT -5
DaRon Bland has the same number of touchdowns this season as all of the Patriots wide receivers put together.
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Post by marrcus on Nov 24, 2023 16:19:22 GMT -5
Pats are -3.5. So I'd agree with that unless Mac (who I think starts) loses his ___ again.
I think they take this one. Not a good thing.
I would guess there's a tie (NFLD) breaker involved too, should the two teams finish with the same record?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Nov 24, 2023 17:06:48 GMT -5
Jets offense continues to be atrocious, not good. Come back Aaron!
Though admittedly if there was one game I'd like for them to win, it's this. It's rather funny the win streak with them continues despite all these problems.
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Post by cdj on Nov 24, 2023 17:09:59 GMT -5
Sunday is our superbowl fellas
Also Zach Wilson is in fact better than Boyle
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Post by costpet on Nov 25, 2023 7:16:47 GMT -5
If we lose, does that mean Boyle is better than Mac!
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