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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 20:50:59 GMT -5
Jail Rafaela! (I don't think the bat is ready; he's starting to remind me of Yoan Moncada's debut.) er, he is 7 for 16.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 8, 2023 20:54:26 GMT -5
Jail Rafaela! (I don't think the bat is ready; he's starting to remind me of Yoan Moncada's debut.) er, he is 7 for 16. K rate, BABIP, etc.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 20:56:21 GMT -5
Yes, I know. You and I watch games and players very differently.
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Post by manfred on Sept 8, 2023 20:57:18 GMT -5
I am not on the Walter train.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 20:58:01 GMT -5
The Orioles are: 7th in the AL in positional WAR 5th in the AL in pitching WAR It's all smoke and mirrors with this team, I'm telling you. Smoke and mirrors has worked pretty well for them, hasn't it?
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 8, 2023 20:59:17 GMT -5
I am not on the Walter train. there are a fair amount of trains on this team I am not on
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 8, 2023 20:59:23 GMT -5
The Orioles are: 7th in the AL in positional WAR 5th in the AL in pitching WAR It's all smoke and mirrors with this team, I'm telling you. Smoke and mirrors has worked pretty well for them, hasn't it? They can actually defend.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 21:00:08 GMT -5
Smoke and mirrors has worked pretty well for them, hasn't it? They can actually defend. and as we saw tonight, they can hit
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Post by incandenza on Sept 8, 2023 21:01:28 GMT -5
Yes, I know. You and I watch games and players very differently. I'm not saying he hasn't helped the team offensively though; I'm specifically saying he doesn't look so far like he can handle MLB pitching. My evidence is the 45% K rate. Do you disagree with that?
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 8, 2023 21:02:23 GMT -5
The Orioles are: 7th in the AL in positional WAR 5th in the AL in pitching WAR It's all smoke and mirrors with this team, I'm telling you. Smoke and mirrors has worked pretty well for them, hasn't it? The Cheatsros tank model can be effective if you draft at the top enough years. The birds better take advantage of their championship window because Angelos is on record as saying they have no intention of paying the players once team control is over.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 21:02:31 GMT -5
Yes, I know. You and I watch games and players very differently. I'm not saying he hasn't helped the team offensively though; I'm specifically saying he doesn't look so far like he can handle MLB pitching. My evidence is the 45% K rate. Do you disagree with that?
What I will say is that it is far too small a sample size, particularly in how he is being used
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Post by terriblehondo on Sept 8, 2023 21:04:16 GMT -5
Over the same amount of at bats JT probably has a higher K rate. So small sample size right?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 21:06:21 GMT -5
How many times this season have we had to enter the realm of pain due to horrendous pitching? We are in groundhog day yet again.
Not sure what we've done to Murphy and Walter by using them as sacrificial lambs (yes, Bear Claw too, but he is not a home grown kid)
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Post by dl on Sept 8, 2023 21:07:13 GMT -5
I do not see how somebody with 89mph 4-seamer can pitch in the big league. Seabold 2.0?
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Post by incandenza on Sept 8, 2023 21:07:18 GMT -5
I'm not saying he hasn't helped the team offensively though; I'm specifically saying he doesn't look so far like he can handle MLB pitching. My evidence is the 45% K rate. Do you disagree with that?
What I will say is that it is far too small a sample size, particularly in how he is being used Hmm, sample size? Sounds suspiciously like a sabermetric perspective there.
Hope you're right though! He's gonna be such a fun player if/when the bat comes around (and they actually play him in CF...).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 21:09:29 GMT -5
What I will say is that it is far too small a sample size, particularly in how he is being used Hmm, sample size? Sounds suspiciously like a sabermetric perspective there.
Hope you're right though! He's gonna be such a fun player if/when the bat comes around (and they actually play him in CF...).
Ha! Sabermatrics! Me? Nope - I am an old dude, an old school baseball fan who doesn't give a rat's ass for advanced stats. I watch the game, remember what I see, use my brain. I know I drive you and many others on this site crazy. Live with it (I stick around to live with you all!)
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Post by manfred on Sept 8, 2023 21:09:58 GMT -5
I really look forward to the year the Sox are fun again.
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Post by dl on Sept 8, 2023 21:10:30 GMT -5
Red Sox minor league pitcher of month? What a joke, please don't call him up again.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 21:11:37 GMT -5
I really look forward to the year the Sox are fun again. Well, it is "fun" in a dark humor sort of way, I suppose. But that's not what will win championships. This really is tough stuff.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 8, 2023 21:12:01 GMT -5
This ump loves ringing our guys up on balls way too much
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 8, 2023 21:13:21 GMT -5
Red Sox minor league pitcher of month? What a joke, please don't call him up again. Unfortunately there is no 4A even if that is his ceiling..
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 8, 2023 21:14:08 GMT -5
This ump loves ringing our guys up on balls way too much I would not put it past a few umpires *cough* Hernandez *cough*. And just ignore the ABS system when it gets here and in essence dare MLB to fire them for insubordination
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 8, 2023 21:14:22 GMT -5
Gotta appreciate his production, but this offense has relied heavily on Duvall who seems as streaky as it gets. He looks poised to go 0 for his next 20 with 10Ks.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2023 21:14:46 GMT -5
Perfect ending to that game - double digits Ks again - and Duvall creating weather systems with his swing and misses.
Depressing.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 8, 2023 21:15:37 GMT -5
Hmm, sample size? Sounds suspiciously like a sabermetric perspective there.
Hope you're right though! He's gonna be such a fun player if/when the bat comes around (and they actually play him in CF...).
Ha! Sabermatrics! Me? Nope - I am an old dude, an old school baseball fan who doesn't give a rat's ass for advanced stats. I watch the game, remember what I see, use my brain. I know I drive you and many others on this site crazy. Live with it (I stick around to live with you all!) Agree with this as someone else who has been a fan since the 60s. I do like the WAR stat as I feel like it takes the emotion out of player comps.
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