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9/18-9/20 Red Sox @ Rangers Series Thread
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Post by incandenza on Sept 18, 2023 22:01:14 GMT -5
Just gotta win out while the Rangers and Mariners both go 4-8 the rest of the way! Really? That’s actually less insane than I’d have thought. Red Sox are 3-10 in their last 13 but the Rangers are only 6-7 and the Mariners 4-9.
If they'd just had one more good run in them in the last two weeks instead of, you know, sucking, they'd still be in the race. (And you would be much sadder because Chaim Bloom would still have a job.)
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Post by manfred on Sept 18, 2023 22:02:29 GMT -5
Really? That’s actually less insane than I’d have thought. Red Sox are 3-10 in their last 13 but the Rangers are only 6-7 and the Mariners 4-9.
If they'd just had one more good run in them in the last two weeks instead of, you know, sucking, they'd still be in the race. (And you would be much sadder because Chaim Bloom would still have a job.)
Worth it! (I mean the losing… not the Bloom still being here).
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 18, 2023 22:15:17 GMT -5
Martin is going to make a lot of $$$ this Winter. Yes, Chris Martin will make $8,750,000 from the Red Sox in 2024 on the contract he signed last offseason.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 18, 2023 22:16:10 GMT -5
Martin is going to make a lot of $$$ this Winter. Maybe if he has a good run at Foxwoods ?? He is under contract with the Sox already for 2024 at $6,750,000.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 18, 2023 22:20:14 GMT -5
Red Sox are 3-10 in their last 13 but the Rangers are only 6-7 and the Mariners 4-9.
If they'd just had one more good run in them in the last two weeks instead of, you know, sucking, they'd still be in the race. (And you would be much sadder because Chaim Bloom would still have a job.)
Worth it! (I mean the losing… not the Bloom still being here). Four years of Bloom hate…. some of you are going to have to find something new to complain about…, but I am sure those of you will find something with the new GM to complain about…..as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow….!
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 18, 2023 22:24:21 GMT -5
Martin is going to make a lot of $$$ this Winter. Maybe if he has a good run at Foxwoods ?? He is under contract with the Sox already for 2024 at $6,750,000. Soxprospect 40-man page has him at $8,750,000, so if it is 6,750,000 then they will need to check it….
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 18, 2023 22:30:28 GMT -5
Maybe if he has a good run at Foxwoods ?? He is under contract with the Sox already for 2024 at $6,750,000. Soxprospect 40-man page has him at $8,750,000, so if it is 6,750,000 then they will need to check it…. His Luxury Tax figure is 6,750,000 so that is the average of the two years. My mistake. Either way, as we both pointed out, he is not a FA this winter. Thank goodness !
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Post by manfred on Sept 18, 2023 22:39:18 GMT -5
Worth it! (I mean the losing… not the Bloom still being here). Four years of Bloom hate…. some of you are going to have to find something new to complain about…, but I am sure those of you will find something with the new GM to complain about…..as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow….! Well, at least it won’t be: a) kids on the grass b) clouds.
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Post by yuchangclan on Sept 18, 2023 23:25:04 GMT -5
Worth it! (I mean the losing… not the Bloom still being here). Four years of Bloom hate…. some of you are going to have to find something new to complain about…, but I am sure those of you will find something with the new GM to complain about…..as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow….! Is it wrong to complain about 3 last place finishes in 4 years, though?
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Post by bucksmatthew on Sept 19, 2023 7:46:38 GMT -5
Four years of Bloom hate…. some of you are going to have to find something new to complain about…, but I am sure those of you will find something with the new GM to complain about…..as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow….! Is it wrong to complain about 3 last place finishes in 4 years, though? over, and over, and over, and over........
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Post by Guidas on Sept 19, 2023 7:50:56 GMT -5
Great win.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 19, 2023 7:57:17 GMT -5
Worth it! (I mean the losing… not the Bloom still being here). Four years of Bloom hate…. some of you are going to have to find something new to complain about…, but I am sure those of you will find something with the new GM to complain about…..as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow….! There’s a difference between not agreeing with some of his methods or moves and hate. I hate NYY and wish upon them painful, pustulant boils and cankers in tender and hard to reach places of their bodies. I liked Bloom, or at least the idea of Bloom when he was hired. I just wish his job execution remained aligned with the goals stated for him and the org when he was hired.Never hated the man. In fact, I’ve said before, he seems like a really decent individual.
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Post by manfred on Sept 19, 2023 8:40:45 GMT -5
Is it wrong to complain about 3 last place finishes in 4 years, though? over, and over, and over, and over........ I guess everyone should have stayed quiet until the 3rd last place finish… complain after the first or second, and you run the risk of being repetitive.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 19, 2023 9:16:57 GMT -5
over, and over, and over, and over........ I guess everyone should have stayed quiet until the 3rd last place finish… complain after the first or second, and you run the risk of being repetitive. For me, it's less the repetitiveness than the sophistry of a) counting the covid year, b) counting a season that hasn't even ended yet, c) ignoring the strength of the division in these years, and d) characterizing an objectively above average performance relative to the league as a whole (>.500 record and an ALCS appearance) in these terms. But of course the repetitiveness doesn't actually make the sophistry more palatable.
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Post by soxin8 on Sept 19, 2023 9:19:07 GMT -5
Is it wrong to complain about 3 last place finishes in 4 years, though? over, and over, and over, and over........ Dave Clark Five?
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Post by manfred on Sept 19, 2023 9:23:13 GMT -5
I guess everyone should have stayed quiet until the 3rd last place finish… complain after the first or second, and you run the risk of being repetitive. For me, it's less the repetitiveness than the sophistry of a) counting the covid year, b) counting a season that hasn't even ended yet, c) ignoring the strength of the division in these years, and d) characterizing an objectively above average performance relative to the league as a whole (>.500 record and an ALCS appearance) in these terms. But of course the repetitiveness doesn't actually make the sophistry more palatable. Did you comment on games during the Covid year? Did you write anything positive or negative? I’ll accept the idea of not counting that season from someone who didn’t count *anything* (eg, don’t give me someone’s stats and say in 162 games he’d have…). Otherwise it is a rather selective dismissal.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 19, 2023 9:42:35 GMT -5
Four years of Bloom hate…. some of you are going to have to find something new to complain about…, but I am sure those of you will find something with the new GM to complain about…..as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow….! Is it wrong to complain about 3 last place finishes in 4 years, though? We can complain about the Story and Yoshida signings that he left us with:)
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Post by incandenza on Sept 19, 2023 9:59:27 GMT -5
For me, it's less the repetitiveness than the sophistry of a) counting the covid year, b) counting a season that hasn't even ended yet, c) ignoring the strength of the division in these years, and d) characterizing an objectively above average performance relative to the league as a whole (>.500 record and an ALCS appearance) in these terms. But of course the repetitiveness doesn't actually make the sophistry more palatable. Did you comment on games during the Covid year? Did you write anything positive or negative? I’ll accept the idea of not counting that season from someone who didn’t count *anything* (eg, don’t give me someone’s stats and say in 162 games he’d have…). Otherwise it is a rather selective dismissal. I watched the games; I also treated them as decidedly less meaningful than a normal season's games. (E.g., I didn't think Devers' lousy season meant he would suck going forward.) But go ahead and count the 60-game covid season, which was anomalous in every way, in which they lost their two best starters to injury for the whole season, in which inherited stars like JDM and Devers spit the bit, probably for covid weirdness-related reasons, which was also Bloom's first year on the job in which he had almost no flexibility to shape the roster, and consider all this a totally fair reflection on Bloom. Counting 2020, he still finished his tenure 5 games over .500.
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Post by manfred on Sept 19, 2023 10:16:54 GMT -5
Did you comment on games during the Covid year? Did you write anything positive or negative? I’ll accept the idea of not counting that season from someone who didn’t count *anything* (eg, don’t give me someone’s stats and say in 162 games he’d have…). Otherwise it is a rather selective dismissal. I watched the games; I also treated them as decidedly less meaningful than a normal season's games. (E.g., I didn't think Devers' lousy season meant he would suck going forward.) But go ahead and count the 60-game covid season, which was anomalous in every way, in which they lost their two best starters to injury for the whole season, in which inherited stars like JDM and Devers spit the bit, probably for covid weirdness-related reasons, which was also Bloom's first year on the job in which he had almost no flexibility to shape the roster, and consider all this a totally fair reflection on Bloom. Counting 2020, he still finished his tenure 5 games over .500.
Setting Bloom aside, I am fine saying it was a crazy year, but… the 2 starters getting hurt had nothing to do with Covid… if it was 162 games, their loss would simply be extended. Maybe the weirdness affected Devers and JDM, but everyone had the same conditions. Maybe the short season boosted Verdugo’s stats? Or maybe players who thrived just concentrated better? You can’t dismiss performance because of universal conditions. I’m not saying it isn’t wonky and doesn’t deserve an asterisk. But it was a real season. Real awards and banners went out.
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 19, 2023 10:23:43 GMT -5
I watched the games; I also treated them as decidedly less meaningful than a normal season's games. (E.g., I didn't think Devers' lousy season meant he would suck going forward.) But go ahead and count the 60-game covid season, which was anomalous in every way, in which they lost their two best starters to injury for the whole season, in which inherited stars like JDM and Devers spit the bit, probably for covid weirdness-related reasons, which was also Bloom's first year on the job in which he had almost no flexibility to shape the roster, and consider all this a totally fair reflection on Bloom. Counting 2020, he still finished his tenure 5 games over .500.
Setting Bloom aside, I am fine saying it was a crazy year, but… the 2 starters getting hurt had nothing to do with Covid… if it was 162 games, their loss would simply be extended. Maybe the weirdness affected Devers and JDM, but everyone had the same conditions. Maybe the short season boosted Verdugo’s stats? Or maybe players who thrived just concentrated better? You can’t dismiss performance because of universal conditions. I’m not saying it isn’t wonky and doesn’t deserve an asterisk. But it was a real season. Real awards and banners went out. Eduardo Rodriguez actually missed the season specifically because of a COVID caused issue.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 19, 2023 10:26:41 GMT -5
I watched the games; I also treated them as decidedly less meaningful than a normal season's games. (E.g., I didn't think Devers' lousy season meant he would suck going forward.) But go ahead and count the 60-game covid season, which was anomalous in every way, in which they lost their two best starters to injury for the whole season, in which inherited stars like JDM and Devers spit the bit, probably for covid weirdness-related reasons, which was also Bloom's first year on the job in which he had almost no flexibility to shape the roster, and consider all this a totally fair reflection on Bloom. Counting 2020, he still finished his tenure 5 games over .500.
Setting Bloom aside, I am fine saying it was a crazy year, but… the 2 starters getting hurt had nothing to do with Covid… if it was 162 games, their loss would simply be extended. Maybe the weirdness affected Devers and JDM, but everyone had the same conditions. Maybe the short season boosted Verdugo’s stats? Or maybe players who thrived just concentrated better? You can’t dismiss performance because of universal conditions. I’m not saying it isn’t wonky and doesn’t deserve an asterisk. But it was a real season. Real awards and banners went out. I think Eduardo Rodriguez's myocarditis had something to do with covid...? They also lost McHugh as he chose to sit out the season.
I have always said 2020 boosted Verdugo's stats; it was actually his worst year in Boston by xwOBA. (But that too is probably just an anomaly of the short season.)
Rarely do I think it's a good idea to bracket out anomalous stretches as "exceptions." But the covid year... is an exception to that.
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Post by manfred on Sept 19, 2023 10:27:29 GMT -5
Setting Bloom aside, I am fine saying it was a crazy year, but… the 2 starters getting hurt had nothing to do with Covid… if it was 162 games, their loss would simply be extended. Maybe the weirdness affected Devers and JDM, but everyone had the same conditions. Maybe the short season boosted Verdugo’s stats? Or maybe players who thrived just concentrated better? You can’t dismiss performance because of universal conditions. I’m not saying it isn’t wonky and doesn’t deserve an asterisk. But it was a real season. Real awards and banners went out. Eduardo Rodriguez actually missed the season specifically because of a COVID caused issue. True. Fair. I’ll say, too, in one way that season was Bloom’s masterpiece. If you are not going to compete, go the distance. They got Mayer out of it. And Covid limited the pain by making the sucking brief. They made no bones about punting with the Weber staff.
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Post by cdj on Sept 19, 2023 17:38:23 GMT -5
from future Sox pitcher in game 1 to former Sox pitcher in game 2
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 19, 2023 18:01:55 GMT -5
from future Sox pitcher in game 1 to former Sox pitcher in game 2 I hope Eovaldi has the same (or worse) result as the last time he faced the Red Sox earlier this year: 5 1/3 innings - 4 earned runs.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 19, 2023 18:08:27 GMT -5
Why is everyone polluting the game thread with non-game thread material ? Did not you all get the memo ? I am assuming the games don't mean too much. LOL. Hopefully, i make it in for a few innings tonight. Not much more time left until the melancholic, no Sox games, life begins.
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