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5/1 ML Gameday Thread: Portland in the morning
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 30, 2013 18:25:08 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on May 1, 2013 9:14:06 GMT -5
Mike Antonellis tweets that Barnes is starting (he previously said Haeger).
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Post by jonasi on May 1, 2013 10:42:45 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on May 1, 2013 11:26:42 GMT -5
3 innings, 2 hits (both singles) and 5k's for Barnes so far.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 1, 2013 11:47:34 GMT -5
Solo HR to lead off the 4th vs. Barnes, but picks up another K and gets out of the 4th tied 1-1
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Post by jchang on May 1, 2013 12:12:47 GMT -5
Barnes has great outing after 6, people need to chill out and give him a chance to get acclimatized to AA
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Post by amfox1 on May 1, 2013 12:13:46 GMT -5
Barnes Ks the side in the 6th innings, all on curves. 10 Ks on the day.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 1, 2013 12:18:25 GMT -5
Barnes goes 6 with only five base runners.
Important start in the warming weather.
If he is back on track now with Renaudo and Workman, that's three strong starting prospects a half season or so away from the show.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 1, 2013 12:18:26 GMT -5
Does this make Barnes intriguing again?
Kidding aside, nice outing. Nice to see him make adjustments. Interesting that both of his two good starts came his second time facing a team.
EDIT: In response to the above, Barnes, Ranaudo, and Workman are a lot more than half a season away. I'd be stunned if any played in the majors this year. None of them were even invited to spring training. (And yes, this is also in part a function of who's ahead of them, but not completely so.)
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 1, 2013 13:02:36 GMT -5
I can't remember the farm ever having this many solid starting pitching prospects, or even as many solid prospects in general. It would be interesting to see what orgs like BP and BA think at the end of the year. I would think top 5 at minimum if trends continue.
We have often lacked that top tier Profars type guy but we have some players approaching that level it would seem.
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Post by jchang on May 1, 2013 13:26:36 GMT -5
I imagine the up arrows on Cecchini and Owens might be accompanied by a rise in their scale from 5 to 6? with Ranaudo moving up from 4 to 5? So our farm is not just loaded in having quantity for prospected rated at 5 (average MLB or better), but also that they are concentrated in the upper levels. And 2 of the 3 in high A should be in AA before long. A few have complained about the lack of really good prospects in low A, but its better to have the prospects where they are. Presumably two or three 5 guys will be packaged for a first division starter that is starting to get expensive for a tier 2 team.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 1, 2013 14:42:29 GMT -5
I love it. Especially there is no way a guy Like Mayo can still have the MFY'S system ranked higher than our's. I almost threw up when he had that listed on Espn insider. The belief is the Yankees have higher quality but at the lower levels. I personally do not see this. There lucky they play in a one billion dollar ban-box that makes Lyle Overbay look good.
I am also a card carrying member of the home team. I can't believe the Sox in a couple of years can have a home grown starting rotation and a bullpen with a closer.
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Post by tjb21 on May 1, 2013 14:42:40 GMT -5
I can't remember the farm ever having this many solid starting pitching prospects, or even as many solid prospects in general. It would be interesting to see what orgs like BP and BA think at the end of the year. I would think top 5 at minimum if trends continue. We have often lacked that top tier Profars type guy but we have some players approaching that level it would seem.Players? Like plural? I guess I don't see the Red Sox having more than 1 guy (Xander) who's close to the level Profar is at. Who are the other guys in your opinion that are approaching his (top 5 prospect in baseball) level? |
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Post by charliezink16 on May 1, 2013 14:43:54 GMT -5
Barnes is getting all the love today, and rightfully so, but Chris Martin deserves a mention. After today, his stat line reads 1-0, 0.00ERA, 2S, 16.2IP, 8H, 0ER, .140BAA, 20K/5BB. Martin turns 27 in just over a month, yet, conveniently, there's no rush to promote him. I'm no scout, nor have I seen him pitch in person, but Boston could have a nice under the radar bullpen arm in Martin. He's not Rule 5 eligible for another 2 years, and has all 3 options intact. Last year, I remember reading that he could be on the fast track to the majors, so I'll be following his progression this season. For those who have seen him, would his stuff play up in the MLB?
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Post by jimoh on May 1, 2013 14:46:54 GMT -5
I can't remember the farm ever having this many solid starting pitching prospects, or even as many solid prospects in general. It would be interesting to see what orgs like BP and BA think at the end of the year. I would think top 5 at minimum if trends continue. We have often lacked that top tier Profars type guy but we have some players approaching that level it would seem. Short memory? Looking at 2003-2008 on www.soxprospects.com/history.htm you see a lot of All-Stars and solid players in the top 20 each year. In 2009 you see a lot of guys who seemed promising but have either not worked out or have just been OK, or have had flashes of greatness followed by poor years. But we do have a lot of promising arms right now. |
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Post by jimoh on May 1, 2013 14:56:24 GMT -5
Does this make Barnes intriguing again?Kidding aside, nice outing. Nice to see him make adjustments. Interesting that both of his two good starts came his second time facing a team. EDIT: In response to the above, Barnes, Ranaudo, and Workman are a lot more than half a season away. I'd be stunned if any played in the majors this year. None of them were even invited to spring training. (And yes, this is also in part a function of who's ahead of them, but not completely so.) Strange that Callis in his draft+prospects chat today said that Ranaudo could get called up *this year* www.baseballamerica.com/draft/prospectsdraftfantasy-chat-with-jim-callis/ |
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Post by James Dunne on May 1, 2013 15:02:51 GMT -5
Ranaudo and Workman are both Rule 5 eligible after this season, and both will be added if all goes as it is right now. If either gets a call to Triple-A around late June/early July, and then pitches well, a September call-up isn't impossible depending on how the roster is looking at that point.
I'd give Barnes less than a 5% chance of debuting this year though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 1, 2013 15:03:30 GMT -5
Does this make Barnes intriguing again?Kidding aside, nice outing. Nice to see him make adjustments. Interesting that both of his two good starts came his second time facing a team. EDIT: In response to the above, Barnes, Ranaudo, and Workman are a lot more than half a season away. I'd be stunned if any played in the majors this year. None of them were even invited to spring training. (And yes, this is also in part a function of who's ahead of them, but not completely so.) Strange that Callis in his draft+prospects chat today said that Ranaudo could get called up *this year* www.baseballamerica.com/draft/prospectsdraftfantasy-chat-with-jim-callis/Yeah, and I respectfully disagree with him, although part of it is that I don't see him keeping this up all year, and part of Callis's answer is "if he keeps this up," so maybe we don't "disagree" per se. I believe there'll be a bump or two in the road on a night where the fastball gets a little straight, or when he starts working the curve in more, which he hasn't been doing a ton yet. I don't mean that to be a slam on Ranaudo, but rather just see him needing to make a tweak or two. I also base it on the idea that he's not going to be expected to be in the Majors for the Sox next year - the entire rotation will be back, and Webster will still be here. I don't see a need for him in September. I'd prefer he work on the secondary stuff once the mechanics and fastball are where they need to be. The curve isn't doing a ton right now, and that's going to be a big pitch to determine what kind of starter he is. |
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Post by iakovos11 on May 1, 2013 15:14:01 GMT -5
Barnes is getting all the love today, and rightfully so, but Chris Martin deserves a mention. After today, his stat line reads 1-0, 0.00ERA, 2S, 16.2IP, 8H, 0ER, .140BAA, 20K/5BB. Martin turns 27 in just over a month, yet, conveniently, there's no rush to promote him. I'm no scout, nor have I seen him pitch in person, but Boston could have a nice under the radar bullpen arm in Martin. He's not Rule 5 eligible for another 2 years, and has all 3 options intact. Last year, I remember reading that he could be on the fast track to the majors, so I'll be following his progression this season. For those who have seen him, would his stuff play up in the MLB? Pete Ruiz, too. He had another nice outing today. Both these guys could be competing for spots in the Boston bullpen - the big question is when. |
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Post by Matt Huegel on May 1, 2013 16:21:58 GMT -5
Barnes is getting all the love today, and rightfully so, but Chris Martin deserves a mention. After today, his stat line reads 1-0, 0.00ERA, 2S, 16.2IP, 8H, 0ER, .140BAA, 20K/5BB. Martin turns 27 in just over a month, yet, conveniently, there's no rush to promote him. I'm no scout, nor have I seen him pitch in person, but Boston could have a nice under the radar bullpen arm in Martin. He's not Rule 5 eligible for another 2 years, and has all 3 options intact. Last year, I remember reading that he could be on the fast track to the majors, so I'll be following his progression this season. For those who have seen him, would his stuff play up in the MLB? Pete Ruiz, too. He had another nice outing today. Both these guys could be competing for spots in the Boston bullpen - the big question is when. Ian talked about both these guys in the most recent Podcast. Said he believes they are both future major leaguers. |
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Post by Guidas on May 1, 2013 16:23:37 GMT -5
Martin is just money. Love to see what he can do against more advanced competition.
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Post by jdb on May 1, 2013 16:51:16 GMT -5
I can't remember the farm ever having this many solid starting pitching prospects, or even as many solid prospects in general. It would be interesting to see what orgs like BP and BA think at the end of the year. I would think top 5 at minimum if trends continue. We have often lacked that top tier Profars type guy but we have some players approaching that level it would seem.Players? Like plural? I guess I don't see the Red Sox having more than 1 guy (Xander) who's close to the level Profar is at. Who are the other guys in your opinion that are approaching his (top 5 prospect in baseball) level? Agree I would only put Xander in that class but a lot of scouts from spring training had Webster as a potential 1 and another said he was the best pitcher he saw in Florida. If they did the rankings post spring he could be a top 25 type.. Couple that with Barnes who could be a top 25 by the offseason and Cecchini who could jump into top 50ish range. It's a good system but agree right now Xander is the only guy in that conversation. |
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Post by tns on May 1, 2013 17:46:20 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere yet but Danny Wild of MILB.com passed along a noteworthy nugget on Barnes today after his start: There are quotes from Barnes talking about his new curve in the full article. |
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Post by atzar on May 1, 2013 17:58:40 GMT -5
I can't remember the farm ever having this many solid starting pitching prospects, or even as many solid prospects in general. It would be interesting to see what orgs like BP and BA think at the end of the year. I would think top 5 at minimum if trends continue. We have often lacked that top tier Profars type guy but we have some players approaching that level it would seem. It's been five years or so. Back in 2008 we had Buchholz, Masterson and Bowden (who was highly-regarded at the time), as well as Nick Hagadone lower in the system. For position players, Ellsbury and Lowrie were in the system, and we were all convinced that Lars Anderson would become a great power bat for the Red Sox at some point. Interesting to note that out of those elite prospects, only four ever contributed in Boston and only two are still here five years later. |
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Post by widewordofsport on May 1, 2013 18:07:04 GMT -5
That article on the curve was nice. Really the quotes from Barnes sounded like what you want from a young pitcher, learning, trying to manage pitch counts and use the hitters' aggressiveness, experimenting, etc.
Re: Ranaudo/Workman, the roster situation will be very interesting in Nov. If the trade deadline passes and those two are still pushing the 40 man and Britton gets traded, I could see Britton being moved to a RP in Pawtucket.
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