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Post by melvinhoggs on Dec 17, 2023 12:41:11 GMT -5
They can trade Tatis to a decent amount of teams and not pay any money Realistically they are probably asking for Mayer, Duran, and Houck for Tatis Would do. In a heartbeat. Yep. Tatis was my long-shot wish the moment I heard the Padres were working hard to trim payroll, but I never thought for a moment he could be acquired without a massive dent in the prospect pool. He's 24 and just had a resoundingly successful return in 2023, and his AAV isn't too bad.
Other teams would offer a lot more for Tatis, and I'd be happy to match it.
Unfortunately Soto being traded feels like it erased whatever minuscule chance there might have been.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 17, 2023 14:39:28 GMT -5
With the Padres' high-spending owner now gone and the heirs looking to pare payroll, I'm wondering if the Sox can acquire Zander or Tatis plus $10M a year salary paid by SD for #10-15 prospect or two? Part of this is silliness. But, y'know, it would solve some issues near term and they could always trade Xander in 3 years, pay $5M a year of his salary for the rest of the contract and still gain value. I would think trading some Useful Pieces for Xander at that price would be a win-win, depending on how close SD is to their financial goals. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 17, 2023 14:54:15 GMT -5
Either Preller is a huge idiot or their owner is for directing him to destroy the team for a decade. Maybe both. Wasn't hard to see this coming.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2023 15:10:23 GMT -5
Either Preller is a huge idiot or their owner is for directing him to destroy the team for a decade. Maybe both. Wasn't hard to see this coming. Do you mean the "idiot" owner Peter Seidler who just passed away from hodgkins lymphoma? Obviously they were all in to win it knowing the owner was dying. |
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Post by incandenza on Dec 17, 2023 15:16:13 GMT -5
Either Preller is a huge idiot or their owner is for directing him to destroy the team for a decade. Maybe both. Wasn't hard to see this coming. Do you mean the "idiot" owner Peter Seidler who just passed away from hodgkins lymphoma? Obviously they were all in to win it knowing the owner was dying. Maybe he's not an idiot, then, but if you're right he was awfully selfish: "who cares about how this is gonna go for Padres fans 5-10 years down the road; I'll be dead by then." |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 17, 2023 15:21:07 GMT -5
Either Preller is a huge idiot or their owner is for directing him to destroy the team for a decade. Maybe both. Wasn't hard to see this coming. Do you mean the "idiot" owner Peter Seidler who just passed away from hodgkins lymphoma? Obviously they were all in to win it knowing the owner was dying. Well that makes me sound like an a-hole. But still. The point remains that it was really stupid way to run a team regardless of circumstances. Basically they did the same thing the Tigers did with Dombrowski and Illitch with nothing to show for it. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2023 15:52:36 GMT -5
Do you mean the "idiot" owner Peter Seidler who just passed away from hodgkins lymphoma? Obviously they were all in to win it knowing the owner was dying. Well that makes me sound like an a-hole. But still. The point remains that it was really stupid way to run a team regardless of circumstances. Basically they did the same thing the Tigers did with Dombrowski and Illitch with nothing to show for it. I remember Lou Gorman telling a group of us that there was a push to win it all while Mrs. Yawkey was still alive and that was the impetus behind the Bagwell for Andersen deal, not that it made any of us feel better, but this does happen where future is sacrificed in a push to win now. Logically it just about always backfires but emotionally you get it as the future isnt always there for everybody to enjoy. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 17, 2023 16:21:32 GMT -5
A reminder that this thread is about predicting the 2024 opening day roster. Please stay on topic.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2023 16:26:04 GMT -5
Do you mean the "idiot" owner Peter Seidler who just passed away from hodgkins lymphoma? Obviously they were all in to win it knowing the owner was dying. Maybe he's not an idiot, then, but if you're right he was awfully selfish: "who cares about how this is gonna go for Padres fans 5-10 years down the road; I'll be dead by then." Well, an owner pays for the players and the team. It's his or her team, not the fan's team, so yeah you can understand them wanting to see a last championship before they die and putting their desires ahead of the long term good of the team and rationalizing that there are some fans following the team that arent long for the future either. You can call it selfish if you want but it's understandable. What's my goal as a fan? To see as many Red Sox championships as I can in my lifetime. Does that make me selfish? Bet you there are a lot of "selfish" fans like me. The only difference being the span of our lifetimes. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 17, 2023 16:26:49 GMT -5
A reminder that this thread is about predicting the 2024 opening day roster. Please stay on topic. Sorry. Just saw you post after I sent my post. I'm done, now that I see your post. The topic will revive once the Sox actually make some moves. |
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Post by incandenza on Dec 18, 2023 9:39:19 GMT -5
A Jon Morosi tweet says that the Twins are willing to trade Polanco but that they want starting pitching in return. Not sure how they think anyone's going to give up MLB-ready starting pitching for 1 year of Polanco at $10.5 million plus a $12 million club option.
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Post by cdj on Dec 18, 2023 14:05:53 GMT -5
I knew the homie Joe Jacques got screwed last year! He had to get 4 outs an inning! #Jacques2024
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Post by gerry on Dec 18, 2023 14:16:56 GMT -5
That’s quite a graphic. Defense is looming as being as needy as SP. ALL the pitchers who gave us heartburn suffered from poor D.
2024? ONeill will merely replace Dugie and Story is a huge upgrade. What else? What about 2B.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 18, 2023 14:20:08 GMT -5
That’s quite a graphic. Defense is looming as being as needy as SP. ALL the pitchers who gave us heartburn suffered from poor D. 2024? ONeill will merely replace Dugie and Story is a huge upgrade. What else? What about 2B. Rafaela logging PT in CF should hopefully help and my hopes are that Casas defense improves. Doubt Casas gets to GG caliber but he's got plenty of room for improvement defensively that even average to slightly below average would be a fair bit of improvement defensively for the team. |
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Post by bluechip on Dec 18, 2023 14:49:58 GMT -5
That’s quite a graphic. Defense is looming as being as needy as SP. ALL the pitchers who gave us heartburn suffered from poor D. 2024? ONeill will merely replace Dugie and Story is a huge upgrade. What else? What about 2B. Yoshida needs to be firmly entrenched at DH. I know he is friends with Yamamoto, but that friendship developed when Yoshida was playing DH, not costing YY games. |
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Post by evanstonredsox on Dec 19, 2023 14:11:47 GMT -5
My best guess for the opening day second baseman is Nick Madrigal.
Cheap acquisition, familiarity with Breslow, elite defense, right handed, expendable for the Cubs, upside. Could create an interesting platoon with Enmanuel considering they are almost polar opposite players
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Post by nomar on Dec 19, 2023 14:21:46 GMT -5
My best guess for the opening day second baseman is Nick Madrigal. Cheap acquisition, familiarity with Breslow, elite defense, right handed, expendable for the Cubs, upside. Could create an interesting platoon with Enmanuel considering they are almost polar opposite players I don’t love it, but he probably won’t walk as little as he did this year and he did post his best xwOBAcon of the last few seasons this past year. He has only had 800 or so PAs and maybe a step forward is still in the cards for him. He shouldn’t cost much so I wouldn’t mind having him for depth. That’s a pretty low ceiling 2B tandem but I’d still much rather have that than Merrifield. |
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Post by evanstonredsox on Dec 19, 2023 14:27:11 GMT -5
My best guess for the opening day second baseman is Nick Madrigal. Cheap acquisition, familiarity with Breslow, elite defense, right handed, expendable for the Cubs, upside. Could create an interesting platoon with Enmanuel considering they are almost polar opposite players I don’t love it, but he probably won’t walk as little as he did this year and he did post his best xwOBAcon of the last few seasons this past year. He has only had 800 or so PAs and maybe a step forward is still in the cards for him. He shouldn’t cost much so I wouldn’t mind having him for depth. That’s a pretty low ceiling 2B tandem but I’d still much rather have that than Merrifield. Agreed. I don’t think it’s flashy but it’s probably the most realistic outcome given the profile they’re looking for and who is available this offseason |
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Post by gerry on Dec 19, 2023 20:20:27 GMT -5
You had me at elite defense. I had thought that Merrifield has enough in the tank with D, Bat and speed that he could be the placeholder.
I also thought Rafaella would be perfect for 2B right now with good D, and elite D in CF as a RHB backup CF and plus PR.
But you make a good case. Someone who has elite D at 2B and a good bat at a cost which allows signing top SP; that’s 2-3 steps forward. But IMO still need a BIG bat for DH, Turner or better. Above average SP, RP, D, Lineup, speed. Contender.
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Post by keninten on Dec 19, 2023 20:38:13 GMT -5
Is Debbie Downer the girl that did Dallas?
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Post by asm19 on Dec 19, 2023 22:45:40 GMT -5
My best guess for the opening day second baseman is Nick Madrigal. Cheap acquisition, familiarity with Breslow, elite defense, right handed, expendable for the Cubs, upside. Could create an interesting platoon with Enmanuel considering they are almost polar opposite players Huh. That’s a heck of a guess. The trade fit works for all the reasons you mention - Breslow Cubs connection especially. I hadn’t realized the Cubs had moved him to 3B in spring training this year - he had been a middle infielder all through college and the pros - and the results were phenomenal. Madrigal was 5th in defensive runs saved at 3B (in only 500 innings) and 96th percentile in Outs Above Average. So he give you some extra defense there too on occasions when Devers gets a day off at 3B/needs to DH. The bat ain’t great aside from an elite k-rate/whiff rate - but you can say the same for Whit Merrifield, and Madrigal is eight years younger, is estimated for only a 2 mil salary, and still has three arb years to go. |
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 22, 2023 22:50:50 GMT -5
I’m going to try again with Yammamoto off the market. This time I will also try to be UNDER the luxury tax threshold - personally I think it makes more sense to go over next year (with Sale off the books and another year of prospect development) rather than this year with a team that looks like it still has a long way to go. Per Red Sox Payroll, $47M to spend.
MOVES:
• Red Sox acquire Brandon Drury ($8.5M AAV) for Brayan Mata
• Red Sox sign Jordan Montgomery 6/$150M w. Opt Out after Y3 ($25M AAV)
• Red Sox acquire Braxton Garret (pre-arb) for Jarren Duran, Nick Yorke, and Tanner Houck
• Red Sox sign Justin Turner (to the same exact contract he had last year, ~$12M AAV)
LF Yoshida
CF O’Neil
RF Abreu
C Wong
1B Casas
2B Drury
SS Story
3B Devers
DH Turner
BN McGuire
BN Reyes
BN Refsnyder
BN Rafaela
SP Montgomery
SP Garrett
SP Bello
SP Sale
SP Crawford
RP Pivetta
RP Whitlock
RP Schriber
RP Martin
RP Jansen
RP Slaten
RP Winchowski
RP Bernardino
RP Murphy
(I added one extra pitcher since we’re bound to have at least 1 on IL at any given time)
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Post by levi on Dec 22, 2023 23:35:30 GMT -5
I’m going to try again with Yammamoto off the market. This time I will also try to be UNDER the luxury tax threshold - personally I think it makes more sense to go over next year (with Sale off the books and another year of prospect development) rather than this year with a team that looks like it still has a long way to go. Per Red Sox Payroll, $47M to spend. MOVES: • Red Sox acquire Brandon Drury ($8.5M AAV) for Brayan Mata • Red Sox sign Jordan Montgomery 6/$150M w. Opt Out after Y3 ($25M AAV) • Red Sox acquire Braxton Garret (pre-arb) for Jarren Duran, Nick Yorke, and Tanner Houck • Red Sox sign Justin Turner (to the same exact contract he had last year, ~$12M AAV) LF Yoshida CF O’Neil RF Abreu C Wong 1B Casas 2B Drury SS Story 3B Devers DH Turner BN McGuire BN Reyes BN Refsnyder BN Rafaela SP Montgomery SP Garrett SP Bello SP Sale SP Crawford RP Pivetta RP Whitlock RP Schriber RP Martin RP Jansen RP Slaten RP Winchowski RP Bernardino RP Murphy (I added one extra pitcher since we’re bound to have at least 1 on IL at any given time) I think this is quite reasonable. Only a few minor changes I would try to make: - Sign Imanaga to 5/100 instead of Montgomery to 6/150 - Acquire Garrett and Edwards (more versatile/tooly) for Duran, Houck, and Valdez - Sign Stephenson to 2/12 You could also make the argument that Hoskins on a 2/32 with an option would have more upside than Turner. |
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Post by jimoh on Dec 23, 2023 9:34:35 GMT -5
I’m going to try again with Yammamoto off the market. This time I will also try to be UNDER the luxury tax threshold - personally I think it makes more sense to go over next year (with Sale off the books and another year of prospect development) rather than this year with a team that looks like it still has a long way to go. Per Red Sox Payroll, $47M to spend. MOVES: • Red Sox acquire Brandon Drury ($8.5M AAV) for Brayan Mata • Red Sox sign Jordan Montgomery 6/$150M w. Opt Out after Y3 ($25M AAV) • Red Sox acquire Braxton Garret (pre-arb) for Jarren Duran, Nick Yorke, and Tanner Houck • Red Sox sign Justin Turner (to the same exact contract he had last year, ~$12M AAV) [...] Thinking you can get Brandon Drury for an unproven relief pitcher with injury concerns and no options who had a 6.33 ERA and ten walks per 9 in AAA last year is interesting. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 23, 2023 9:41:07 GMT -5
I’m going to try again with Yammamoto off the market. This time I will also try to be UNDER the luxury tax threshold - personally I think it makes more sense to go over next year (with Sale off the books and another year of prospect development) rather than this year with a team that looks like it still has a long way to go. Per Red Sox Payroll, $47M to spend. MOVES: • Red Sox acquire Brandon Drury ($8.5M AAV) for Brayan Mata • Red Sox sign Jordan Montgomery 6/$150M w. Opt Out after Y3 ($25M AAV) • Red Sox acquire Braxton Garret (pre-arb) for Jarren Duran, Nick Yorke, and Tanner Houck • Red Sox sign Justin Turner (to the same exact contract he had last year, ~$12M AAV) [...] Thinking you can get Brandon Drury for an unproven relief pitcher with injury concerns and no options who had a 6.33 ERA and ten walks per 9 in AAA last year is interesting. Drury makes all sense in the world for a rebuilding team to move but the Angels often don't make much sense so I'm not convinced he's even available but I agree certainly not for Mata alone. |
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