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Predicting The 2024 Opening Day Roster
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 30, 2023 1:26:27 GMT -5
Guess I'll try another pass at this: DH: Yoshida C: Wong 1B: Casas 2B: Rosario SS: Story 3B: Devers LF: Hernandez CF: O'Neill (RF against lefties) RF: Abreu/Cedanne (CF against lefties) SP1: Sale SP2: Luzardo SP3: Bello SP4: Giolito SP5: Pivetta CL: Jansen RP: Martin RP: Winckowski RP: Houck RP: Whitlock RP: Schreiber RP: Bernardino RP: 2nd Lefty (I like Brent Suter) Bench: McGuire, Reyes, Refsnyder I'm supposing Mayer, Duran, and Crawford get dealt for Luzardo, Ahmed Rosario and Teoscar Hernandez are signed as free agents and that the Sox add a 2nd lefty to the one although I haven't a clue who. It'll be some cheap guy with a questionable track record. I'm guessing Mata gets traded and Slaten returned. I'm guessing Houck, Whitlock, and Winckowski get used as starters in case of injury opening up space for Isaiah Campbell and some others at some point. This is my guess fir the remainder of the offseason, not my wishes. I'd prefer the Sox sign Montgomery, keep Mayer, Duran, and Crawford, not sign Teoscar for 4 years as I'd rather take my chances with Yoshida in LF and bring in either JDM or Soler or return Turner. I like Suter for 2nd lefty bullpen spot. If like a 3rd starter signed too as I'd like to see Paxton return in this scenario. And I dont care if they're over the luxury tax limit. I'm agnostic about 2b. Would like a trade for Polanco or Drury if possible. I also like Suter -- sort of a do-over on Bleier but I suppose just as risky (which Bleier actually didn't seem at all). I really don't like trading those three guys if you've still got lots of money to spend on pitching. Luzardo was a beast last season and is only 26 but you get only three years of him and the last two will be pricey. I might like it more if I thought that trade would make BOS real contenders in 2024 -- if not, you really only get two years of Luzardo that matter and you're down a bunch of guys that you would expect to be important contributors in 2025 and '26. I guess I'd prefer to sign Monty and see how close Crawford's ceiling is to Luzardo's present.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 30, 2023 1:44:56 GMT -5
Just adding up the totals on the fangraphs depth charts page, the WAR projection for Red Sox pitchers is now tied with the Mariners for the second highest in the AL. Twins are first.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 30, 2023 2:27:56 GMT -5
... which does read like Breslow's roadmap. They may not be done either.
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Post by chaimtime on Dec 30, 2023 3:37:15 GMT -5
Just adding up the totals on the fangraphs depth charts page, the WAR projection for Red Sox pitchers is now tied with the Mariners for the second highest in the AL. Twins are first. The bullpen should be really good next year but the rotation has a very wide range of outcomes. I could see it being bottom 5, top 5, or anywhere in between. They basically have five guys I’d be comfortable with as a number 3 with upside, so it makes sense. I do think Pivetta and Crawford are getting slept on. They both have very analytically appealing pitch mixes, and they were both solidly above average when they were on the mound. Out of the 102 pitchers who threw 120+ innings, Crawford was 6th in xERA, Pivetta 32nd. If you’re into pitch modeling, Pivetta was 6th for Stuff+ with Crawford 24th. They do well in a lot of underlying metrics—K-BB%, chase rates, whiff rates. Crawford, interestingly, was 13th in whiff rate in the zone, but in the bottom 25 for out-of-zone whiff rate. If they weren’t already on the team they’d be near the top of my list of cheap starters to target. I think they’re more than fine as 4/5 starters, I don’t think it’s a disaster if they start the year in the rotation. You can make a good case that they were both better than Bello last year. Sale is still by far the biggest question mark in the rotation. If he pitches 50 innings, they need some luck elsewhere. If Giolito stinks on top of that, it’s probably a bad rotation. But if Sale makes 25 starts, Giolito gives them 180 innings of 4ish ERA pitching, Bello adds a pitch to get lefties out, and Crawford and Pivetta build off last year, it looks like a playoff-caliber rotation. That’s a lot of ifs, though, and even if there’s a good chance any one of them happens, it’s probably unrealistic to expect all of them. Adding a guy who can bump everyone down a spot would really solidify things, though. If Breslow can pull that off and add another bat, I’d be satisfied. An infielder would be a big help, but I have a feeling they’ll go with what they have and reevaluate at the deadline.
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Post by dmdmd on Dec 30, 2023 12:53:37 GMT -5
Just to take this in a different direction for a minute: at one point, the Phillies reportedly were looking to unload Castellanos to move salary, sounded like they would eat salary to do so, and I never heard much more on this. Dombrowski is often looking to screw the Sox, and I had wondered if there was a fit. I don’t love Castellanos, and I haven’t looked closely at numbers, but I’d bet he’s similar to Teoscar, and costs will likely be similar, though Sox could potentially get Castellanos at reduced cost, or perhaps with a prospect if they took on his full salary. Just wondering if there is any possibility of this happening? My preference of the off-season was to get Soto with a combination of trade chips, but now that I hear Teoscar is a target w the idea of trading one of the young OF (which I would have tried to do to get Soto) to fill other holes, I am wondering if Castellanos could be had on the relative cheap…
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 13:04:22 GMT -5
Just to take this in a different direction for a minute: at one point, the Phillies reportedly were looking to unload Castellanos to move salary, sounded like they would eat salary to do so, and I never heard much more on this. Dombrowski is often looking to screw the Sox, and I had wondered if there was a fit. I don’t love Castellanos, and I haven’t looked closely at numbers, but I’d bet he’s similar to Teoscar, and costs will likely be similar, though Sox could potentially get Castellanos at reduced cost, or perhaps with a prospect if they took on his full salary. Just wondering if there is any possibility of this happening? My preference of the off-season was to get Soto with a combination of trade chips, but now that I hear Teoscar is a target w the idea of trading one of the young OF (which I would have tried to do to get Soto) to fill other holes, I am wondering if Castellanos could be had on the relative cheap… Castellanos is a horrible contract, he’s a DH only making $20m a year who is probably just an average hitter now. Even if the Phillies ate the entire contract I don’t think I’d want him. Maybe for something similar to the Hosmer deal where they’d take a guy we’d cut from the 40 anyways and paid the whole thing so we could cut him for nothing? Even then it’s not that appealing
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Post by incandenza on Dec 30, 2023 13:07:35 GMT -5
Just to take this in a different direction for a minute: at one point, the Phillies reportedly were looking to unload Castellanos to move salary, sounded like they would eat salary to do so, and I never heard much more on this. Dombrowski is often looking to screw the Sox, and I had wondered if there was a fit. I don’t love Castellanos, and I haven’t looked closely at numbers, but I’d bet he’s similar to Teoscar, and costs will likely be similar, though Sox could potentially get Castellanos at reduced cost, or perhaps with a prospect if they took on his full salary. Just wondering if there is any possibility of this happening? My preference of the off-season was to get Soto with a combination of trade chips, but now that I hear Teoscar is a target w the idea of trading one of the young OF (which I would have tried to do to get Soto) to fill other holes, I am wondering if Castellanos could be had on the relative cheap… Well when you put it that way, why wouldn't the Red Sox want him?
Castellanos has so far given the Phillies 0.2 WAR for $40 million and he's not getting any younger. There are very few players I'd have less interest in.
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Post by dmdmd on Dec 30, 2023 13:43:03 GMT -5
I put it that way, because DD seemed motivated to move Castellanos and often seems motivated to stick it to the Sox. When your motivation is driven by motives other than perhaps what is best for the team, it can lead to mistakes, and sometimes you can take advantage of that. While DD’s pursuit of Song last year wasn’t necessarily a risk or mistake, it also didn’t pan out and I think part of the motivation there was to stick it to the Sox. I agree that Castellanos is not a first priority move for the Sox (or an option I necessarily particularly want), but given the Sox are pursuing right-handed power with maybe limited options, and probably dropping close to $20M a year to do so, he at least seemed a candidate. I’m Just looking at all angles to add to the team, and there are worse right-handed bats than Castellanos. I personally think WAR can be overemphasized, and I don’t think Castellanos is a replacement player, which WAR might suggest, esp if he part of a DH rotation.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 13:51:47 GMT -5
Carrabis is cryptic tweeting possibly about the extremely available Christian Vazquez
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 13:58:54 GMT -5
Carrabis is cryptic tweeting possibly about the extremely available Christian Vazquez I guess if the Twins ate 75% of his deal I would take him for almost nothing in return
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 14:05:57 GMT -5
Carrabis is cryptic tweeting possibly about the extremely available Christian Vazquez I guess if the Twins ate 75% of his deal I would take him for almost nothing in return subsequent tweets from Merloni make it seem like Carrabis may have been hinting about Sale not Vazquez
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Post by briam on Dec 30, 2023 14:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by briam on Dec 30, 2023 14:09:13 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 30, 2023 14:09:46 GMT -5
I honestly would rather they just hang on to sale.
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Dec 30, 2023 14:18:14 GMT -5
If that clears his whole contract, I love it. You can get more aggressive with FA pitching now that can actually give innings not just promise and I love the return. I won’t be mad if he wins 17 with them either. He needed the change of scenery!
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Post by manfred on Dec 30, 2023 14:40:59 GMT -5
If they go something like C Wong 1b Casas 2b Grissom SS Story 3B Devers LF Teoscar CF Duran RF O’Neill DH Masa
And start: Bello Montgomery Giolito Crawford Pivetta
I’d say they are in business. That is better than they’ve been in a few years, and they have a pretty young, controlled lineup.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 14:46:43 GMT -5
If they go something like C Wong 1b Casas 2b Grissom SS Story 3B Devers LF Teoscar CF Duran RF O’Neill DH Masa And start: Bello Montgomery Giolito Crawford Pivetta I’d say they are in business. That is better than they’ve been in a few years, and they have a pretty young, controlled lineup. Still out on Teoscar. Would rather have Duran in left, Rafaela in center, especially if we’re going bad D at second. If they trade Duran Hernandez makes a little more sense but still not wild about him. Montgomery does feel more likely now with a little extra money.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 14:57:30 GMT -5
I think there is probably some mystery as to what position we're actually going to let Grissom play
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 30, 2023 15:03:21 GMT -5
I think there is probably some mystery as to what position we're actually going to let Grissom play I'm wondering as well. My first thought was 2nd base but he's been lackluster defensively there. The braves original plan this offseason was to move him to LF. Perhaps the Hernandez negotiations broke down and grissom is actually the inside track for LF?
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 15:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Dec 30, 2023 15:41:05 GMT -5
Kinda defeats the strong defensive 2B, maybe they think he can improve there , seems like a great athlete and I know he can hit
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 19:20:19 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 30, 2023 19:27:05 GMT -5
Sounds like the IF is set. Rafi/Story/grissom/Casas sounds like it should be above average offensively.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 19:29:30 GMT -5
Why put this out there. Just setting yourself for another Throttlegate if you don't find a good deal
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 30, 2023 19:30:17 GMT -5
I dont expect Duran to stick around as time moves on, but say he does and the Red Sox act on their threat to sign Teoscar, they would have a deeper more balanced lineup.
For the first time since Ellsbury and Pedroia they'd have two old fashioned tablesetters atop the lineup which feels weird to say knowing how effective a duo Betts and Beni were but Betts often cleaned up his own table, lol.
The lineup could be
Devers Grissom Devers O'Neill Casas Hernandez Yoshida Story Wong
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