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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 30, 2023 19:31:55 GMT -5
Why put this out there. Just setting yourself for another Throttlegate if you don't find a good deal I'm starting to suspect Breslow knows the price it'll cost and he's bracing us for it. I just hope he finds a way to keep the big 3 out of it. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 30, 2023 19:36:44 GMT -5
Why put this out there. Just setting yourself for another Throttlegate if you don't find a good deal I'm starting to suspect Breslow knows the price it'll cost and he's bracing us for it. I just hope he finds a way to keep the big 3 out of it. I guess theoretically Mayer should be easier to deal now than before but I don't care I don't want to see any of Mayer/Teel/Anthony being dealt for a pitcher. Trading sale for a good prospect in grissom shouldn't mean let's trade one of our other prospects for a starter now. I'm worried a bad trade I'm going to hate is coming. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 30, 2023 20:22:03 GMT -5
I'm starting to suspect Breslow knows the price it'll cost and he's bracing us for it. I just hope he finds a way to keep the big 3 out of it. I guess theoretically Mayer should be easier to deal now than before but I don't care I don't want to see any of Mayer/Teel/Anthony being dealt for a pitcher. Trading sale for a good prospect in grissom shouldn't mean let's trade one of our other prospects for a starter now. I'm worried a bad trade I'm going to hate is coming. Scares the hell out of me, too. I dont want to see an aging Story at SS from 2025 to 2027, but I suspect that's what might happen. I want Mayer as I still believe in him. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 20:23:48 GMT -5
Why put this out there. Just setting yourself for another Throttlegate if you don't find a good deal They can’t stop shooting themselves in the foot with public statements. Even earlier saying they wanted a defensive 2B has been brought up against them in the Grissom deal. Why say that even if that is your preference? The market dictates what makes the most sense. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 30, 2023 20:24:43 GMT -5
I guess theoretically Mayer should be easier to deal now than before but I don't care I don't want to see any of Mayer/Teel/Anthony being dealt for a pitcher. Trading sale for a good prospect in grissom shouldn't mean let's trade one of our other prospects for a starter now. I'm worried a bad trade I'm going to hate is coming. Scares the hell out of me, too. I dont want to see an aging Story at SS from 2025 to 2027, but I suspect that's what might happen. I want Mayer as I still believe in him. Story is so good at short that I would bet on him being better than Mayer defensively even at the end of the deal. That said I do not want to trade Mayer either |
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 30, 2023 20:27:15 GMT -5
I guess theoretically Mayer should be easier to deal now than before but I don't care I don't want to see any of Mayer/Teel/Anthony being dealt for a pitcher. Trading sale for a good prospect in grissom shouldn't mean let's trade one of our other prospects for a starter now. I'm worried a bad trade I'm going to hate is coming. Scares the hell out of me, too. I dont want to see an aging Story at SS from 2025 to 2027, but I suspect that's what might happen. I want Mayer as I still believe in him. I'm just as bullish on Mayer as I've ever been I think he's going to be an excellent ML SS so yep I don't want to see him traded for just about anything. |
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 30, 2023 20:29:13 GMT -5
You can’t just be outright averse to trading any prospects
For instance as of this moment in time someone like Luzardo or Kirby is way more valuable than Mayer
I don’t want to trade any of them, but I can accept it in a deal for a 1/2 young and controlled SP
Don’t want to go crazy but saying no prospect trades at all is running a team with an arm tied behind your back
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 30, 2023 20:55:16 GMT -5
You can’t just be outright averse to trading any prospects For instance as of this moment in time someone like Luzardo or Kirby is way more valuable than Mayer I don’t want to trade any of them, but I can accept it in a deal for a 1/2 young and controlled SP Don’t want to go crazy but saying no prospect trades at all is running a team with an arm tied behind your back Which is why I feel so strongly about the Sox not signing a QO free agent this winter. More blue chip prospects are needed and I like that they will have two top fifty picks this net draft to maybe shag one. The more prospects we have like the big three, the less risky it feels to deal one. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 30, 2023 21:53:55 GMT -5
You can’t just be outright averse to trading any prospects For instance as of this moment in time someone like Luzardo or Kirby is way more valuable than Mayer I don’t want to trade any of them, but I can accept it in a deal for a 1/2 young and controlled SP Don’t want to go crazy but saying no prospect trades at all is running a team with an arm tied behind your back I think most people when they say they wouldn't trade a prospect don't mean they actually wouldn't but that it is so unlikely as to not seeing any deal that makes sense. As a GM you have to have a completely open minded and not harbor any absolutes. I know some mean it when they say it but I really think most, myself included, don't actual mean it. |
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 30, 2023 22:57:12 GMT -5
I’m open to trading Mayer, but it has to be the absolute right deal. Grissom and Story for at least 4 more years. He makes the most sense out of our elite guys to move if we have to and go that route
I don’t want to trade Teel or Anthony
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Dec 30, 2023 23:18:03 GMT -5
You can’t just be outright averse to trading any prospects For instance as of this moment in time someone like Luzardo or Kirby is way more valuable than Mayer I don’t want to trade any of them, but I can accept it in a deal for a 1/2 young and controlled SP Don’t want to go crazy but saying no prospect trades at all is running a team with an arm tied behind your back You can absolutely be averse to trading excellent prospects for high end pitching. It's a horrible risk. Pitchers are so finicky and so injury prone. Why lose prospects to take on that risk when you can simply risk money and not worry about top 20 MLB prospects being lost? |
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 30, 2023 23:22:23 GMT -5
You can’t just be outright averse to trading any prospects For instance as of this moment in time someone like Luzardo or Kirby is way more valuable than Mayer I don’t want to trade any of them, but I can accept it in a deal for a 1/2 young and controlled SP Don’t want to go crazy but saying no prospect trades at all is running a team with an arm tied behind your back You can absolutely be averse to trading excellent prospects for high end pitching. It's a horrible risk. Pitchers are so finicky and so injury prone. Why lose prospects to take on that risk when you can simply risk money and not worry about top 20 MLB prospects being lost? Because spending a bunch of money on high end pitching that is probably 29+ is what tore our 2018 team apart over the following years You also aren’t discounting that a prospect is still a prospect and is far from a guarantee of success at the MLB level |
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Post by wanderingdude on Dec 30, 2023 23:31:16 GMT -5
You can absolutely be averse to trading excellent prospects for high end pitching. It's a horrible risk. Pitchers are so finicky and so injury prone. Why lose prospects to take on that risk when you can simply risk money and not worry about top 20 MLB prospects being lost? Because spending a bunch of money on high end pitching that is probably 29+ is what tore our 2018 team apart over the following years You also aren’t discounting that a prospect is still a prospect and is far from a guarantee of success at the MLB level Obviously both have their risks. Paying for pitching usually gets you 30+ olds who aren’t going to age well. You’re right prospects aren’t a guarantee for success. I also remember hearing that same argument when the phillies were asking for mookie betts and xander bogaerts for cole hamels. Also, there are several factors that lead to the 2018 being a flash in the pan instead of sustainable. Paying pitching was one, but trading prospects and not replacing them was another. |
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 30, 2023 23:32:39 GMT -5
I’m open to trading Mayer, but it has to be the absolute right deal. Grissom and Story for at least 4 more years. He makes the most sense out of our elite guys to move if we have to and go that route I don’t want to trade Teel or Anthony Mayer's value is at a relative nadir right now. Not a great time to deal him. Also, Story has a player option for the last two years of his deal, so no guarantees that he stays after 2025 (although there's a weird Bloomian club option that affects that somehow). If Story stays healthy and takes advantage of the Monster, we could be needing Mayer to be fully grown by the end of next season. I don't want to deal any of them as long as there's plenty of money to spend and useful players out there who can be bought, which is currently the case. |
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Dec 30, 2023 23:34:01 GMT -5
You can absolutely be averse to trading excellent prospects for high end pitching. It's a horrible risk. Pitchers are so finicky and so injury prone. Why lose prospects to take on that risk when you can simply risk money and not worry about top 20 MLB prospects being lost? Because spending a bunch of money on high end pitching that is probably 29+ is what tore our 2018 team apart over the following years You also aren’t discounting that a prospect is still a prospect and is far from a guarantee of success at the MLB level No one is a guarantee in MLB, including the pitchers that you'd be getting by trading these young stud prospects. Also, signing free agent starters when you have money coming off the books is very different from having one of the highest payrolls in MLB, signing multiple injury prone starters to extensions, and leaving your core unsigned long term. |
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Dec 30, 2023 23:55:37 GMT -5
This seemed super definitive, but Cotillo walked it back, saying he simply thinks it's very likely. So, an interesting couple of comments.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 30, 2023 23:59:28 GMT -5
If we get something for Kenley then I will allow them to waste the moeny on Teoscar I won't even care at that point.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Dec 31, 2023 0:01:23 GMT -5
I don’t get a Jansen trade unless they eat a ton of money which I guess after Sale they prob will. Getting Grissom + Jansen return would definitely soften the blow of an extremely painful trade for a frontline starter. Creative way to get there. Something like Sale, Jansen, Rafaela, Yorke doesn’t sound as bad
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 31, 2023 0:06:31 GMT -5
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 31, 2023 0:08:03 GMT -5
But what teams? Padres? Os? There doesn’t seem like too many great fits here
Eating $7 million makes him valuable enough. Jansen would for sure get more than a 1 year deal at $9 million in the open market
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 31, 2023 0:11:24 GMT -5
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Dec 31, 2023 0:15:00 GMT -5
The Red Sox should absolutely eat money to trade Kenley if it can bring something of value back. The bullpen looks excellent so far, and you can just turn around and sign someone like Robert Stephenson to a longer term deal and make an even better bullpen.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 31, 2023 0:41:35 GMT -5
Guess I'll try another pass at this: DH: Yoshida C: Wong 1B: Casas 2B: Rosario SS: Story 3B: Devers LF: Hernandez CF: O'Neill (RF against lefties) RF: Abreu/Cedanne (CF against lefties) SP1: Sale SP2: Luzardo SP3: Bello SP4: Giolito SP5: Pivetta CL: Jansen RP: Martin RP: Winckowski RP: Houck RP: Whitlock RP: Schreiber RP: Bernardino RP: 2nd Lefty (I like Brent Suter) Bench: McGuire, Reyes, Refsnyder I'm supposing Mayer, Duran, and Crawford get dealt for Luzardo, Ahmed Rosario and Teoscar Hernandez are signed as free agents and that the Sox add a 2nd lefty to the one although I haven't a clue who. It'll be some cheap guy with a questionable track record. I'm guessing Mata gets traded and Slaten returned. I'm guessing Houck, Whitlock, and Winckowski get used as starters in case of injury opening up space for Isaiah Campbell and some others at some point. This is my guess fir the remainder of the offseason, not my wishes. I'd prefer the Sox sign Montgomery, keep Mayer, Duran, and Crawford, not sign Teoscar for 4 years as I'd rather take my chances with Yoshida in LF and bring in either JDM or Soler or return Turner. I like Suter for 2nd lefty bullpen spot. If like a 3rd starter signed too as I'd like to see Paxton return in this scenario. And I dont care if they're over the luxury tax limit. I'm agnostic about 2b. Would like a trade for Polanco or Drury if possible. Well that version is already out the window, lol |
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 31, 2023 0:49:19 GMT -5
I am probably in the minority here in that out of Mayer/Anthony/Teel/Bleis, I would prefer Anthony to be the one dealt if the return is good. I still give Mayer the edge because of the position, and having Bleis means we would still have a young high ceiling CF prospect in the system. Anthonys stock is also high right now while Mayer and Bleis are low, and id rather sell high. There is a not crazy chance that Anthony regresses next year, we have seen it happen many times before.
Again, all depends on what we get back, but if I had to pick one to go in a package for a pitcher it would be Roman. Ideally we keep all though.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 31, 2023 3:03:35 GMT -5
Problem is there really isn’t stand out SP prospects in these organizations. The only one that sounds appealing is Yu-Min Lin w/ the DBacks org, but he’s their top SP prospect and it would hard seeing them part with him for just Jansen. |
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