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9/28-10/1 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 30, 2023 22:39:50 GMT -5
Pablo Reyes probably played himself off next year's team the last 6 weeks In a pre-game interview a couple weeks ago, AC more or less said he'll get the first shot at starting 2B next spring. Maybe his return to Earth since then will affect that calculus...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 30, 2023 22:44:38 GMT -5
Llovera has taken the place of Brasier as the pitcher I want shot into the sun but will never go away. Watch LAD turn him into Mariano Llovera next season...
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Post by asm19 on Sept 30, 2023 22:44:54 GMT -5
Meh. Entering today, they were 5th in the AL in runs. It needs to be improved upon, but still. Not interested in team batting average - not interested in runs scored. As this game showed, team can get lots of hits - but if they don't knock in runs, so what? As for runs - same thing. They don't score when they need to - or to overcome the occasional bad pitching - or they score when it doesn't matter. It was quite a mirage this year. Stats looked good - results did not. For what it’s worth the scariest hitter in the lineup was shut down two weeks ago. Since July 15th (All Star Break): Triston Casas - 207 PA’s, .313/.415/.602, 14 HR, 171 wRC+ Aaron Judge - 240 PA’s, .245/.408/.564, 18 HR, 165 wRC+ There’s quite a drop off to Bobby Dalbec striking out on 3 pitches.
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 30, 2023 22:59:46 GMT -5
Ceddanne now at 0.143/0.196/0.190 since the Yankees series. That’s why he will start 2024 in AAA. Does this mean it’s time to get back to whining about Blaze Jordan’s ranking, or demanding David Hamilton be called up to be the everyday shortstop
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 30, 2023 23:50:16 GMT -5
I do think Story will be much better with the bat. Devers too. I hope your right 67 but have my doubts. I mean Story almost has to be better but likely we will continue to lament his contract. Raffy OTOH is the guy who always leaves you wanting more and not in a good way, and I am big Raffy fan, but I feel like he is what he is at this point. All star level at times but all too often not. I think Raffy was pressing most of the year, trying to live up to the contract and suddenly the team leader with X gone. I think he'll come back next year with a level head and not try to put the team on his back every single day.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 30, 2023 23:58:14 GMT -5
I know we still have one more game to endure - but I already have a sick feeling that we will have to "put up with" players on the team next year, rather than be excited about. Verdugo is in that category for sure. Urias? Reyes? I do think Story will be much better with the bat. Devers too. I think the new FO is going to shake some things up. I think a lot of "Chaim's guys" could be changing addresses.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 1, 2023 0:04:07 GMT -5
Not interested in team batting average - not interested in runs scored. As this game showed, team can get lots of hits - but if they don't knock in runs, so what? As for runs - same thing. They don't score when they need to - or to overcome the occasional bad pitching - or they score when it doesn't matter. It was quite a mirage this year. Stats looked good - results did not. Though you post the stats in every single game, they have not in fact been a poor RISP team (until the last couple of weeks). And they did not underperform their run differential (until the last couple of weeks). They had all sorts of exciting comebacks earlier in the season - it was like a whole thing with them. They were something like 0-for-70 when it was needed most and that proved to be one of several final nails in the coffin for their playoff chances.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Oct 1, 2023 0:36:53 GMT -5
That’s why he will start 2024 in AAA. Does this mean it’s time to get back to whining about Blaze Jordan’s ranking, or demanding David Hamilton be called up to be the everyday shortstop Do you have any idea what you are talking about ? The last thing the Red Sox need is a 40% strikeout rate, low average, right handed hitter. At this point he is Bobby Dalbec with better defense. IMO, the new GM needs better pop from his RH outfield. Time will tell.
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Post by rhswanzey on Oct 1, 2023 9:09:46 GMT -5
Does this mean it’s time to get back to whining about Blaze Jordan’s ranking, or demanding David Hamilton be called up to be the everyday shortstop Do you have any idea what you are talking about ? The last thing the Red Sox need is a 40% strikeout rate, low average, right handed hitter. At this point he is Bobby Dalbec with better defense. IMO, the new GM needs better pop from his RH outfield. Time will tell. Those three players were (probably) the loudest examples throughout this season of people being upset and loud about their disagreement with SP scouting reports. I was being sarcastic since SP was somewhat recently getting heat about cautioning about Rafaela’s swing decisions while he was destroying AAA. That kind of thing got awful quiet in the last couple weeks.
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Post by Smittyw on Oct 1, 2023 9:14:12 GMT -5
i just cant cheers for draft placements. Agreed...and this is coming from someone who legitimately can't figure out why anyone cares that they were bad in the meaningless (except for stealing Marcelo Mayer) 2020 season. There's no fun or redeeming factor for me in watching this kind of utter collapse from a club that, at one time, seemed fun and scrappy and like it might actually have a chance at playing meaningful games down the stretch. It just feels lousy and I'm ready for it to end.
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Post by terriblehondo on Oct 1, 2023 9:45:49 GMT -5
i just cant cheers for draft placements. Agreed...and this is coming from someone who legitimately can't figure out why anyone cares that they were bad in the meaningless (except for stealing Marcelo Mayer) 2020 season. There's no fun or redeeming factor for me in watching this kind of utter collapse from a club that, at one time, seemed fun and scrappy and like it might actually have a chance at playing meaningful games down the stretch. It just feels lousy and I'm ready for it to end. While you might have enjoyed watching this team play. Someone like me who likes solid defense and fundamentally sound play. This was most definitely not a fun team to watch play for the whole year. Some individual performances were fun to wath but as for watching a team play it was horrible.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 1, 2023 9:50:22 GMT -5
Because sometimes embarrassing a team is the best way to get change. The Sox fest booing of Henry last December and lack of ratings/tickets undoubtedly played a role in the decision.
I’m in the short term pain for longer term gain camp. Sell at deadlines, lose meaningless game now to increase odds, etc.
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Post by Smittyw on Oct 1, 2023 9:57:31 GMT -5
Agreed...and this is coming from someone who legitimately can't figure out why anyone cares that they were bad in the meaningless (except for stealing Marcelo Mayer) 2020 season. There's no fun or redeeming factor for me in watching this kind of utter collapse from a club that, at one time, seemed fun and scrappy and like it might actually have a chance at playing meaningful games down the stretch. It just feels lousy and I'm ready for it to end. While you might have enjoyed watching this team play. Someone like me who likes solid defense and fundamentally sound play. This was most definitely not a fun team to watch play for the whole year. Some individual performances were fun to wath but as for watching a team play it was horrible. I didn't say they were great or without flaws, but there's a stark difference between the Red Sox of this summer and the joke we've watched recently.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 10:11:17 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season.
For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return.
Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season.
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Post by manfred on Oct 1, 2023 10:18:31 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season. For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return. Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season. I got what I wanted out of the season… Bloom is out. So it hasn’t been all bad. It is the most important thing if they are going to get back on top.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 10:42:58 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season. For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return. Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season. I got what I wanted out of the season… Bloom is out. So it hasn’t been all bad. It is the most important thing if they are going to get back on top. I could take or leave Bloom, but whoever they get has to be better. Not the highest bar to clear, but also not a slam dunk either. This person needs to be able to spend a lot of money wisely while being able to preserve the best of the farm, being able to extract value out of prospect surplus and being able to Judge whose value has reached its zenith. Not an easy task, but a necessary once as I'd think the first goal is to get them to be a playoff team next season, even if it's a 3rd wild card type team, they have to be playing postseason ball.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Oct 1, 2023 11:50:54 GMT -5
I got what I wanted out of the season… Bloom is out. So it hasn’t been all bad. It is the most important thing if they are going to get back on top. I could take or leave Bloom, but whoever they get has to be better. Not the highest bar to clear, but also not a slam dunk either. This person needs to be able to spend a lot of money wisely while being able to preserve the best of the farm, being able to extract value out of prospect surplus and being able to Judge whose value has reached its zenith. Not an easy task, but a necessary once as I'd think the first goal is to get them to be a playoff team next season, even if it's a 3rd wild card type team, they have to be playing postseason ball. Right. The Bloom discussion became so polarized that both sides dug in and went too far exaggerating his performance. The Red Sox have had much worse (Pinky Higgins and Haywood Sullivan, to name two) and much better. (Theo Epstein and Dick O'Connell are my top two.) And if the Red Sox do get back on top, it will invariably be with big contributions from some of the young guys Bloom brought into the organization, such as Mayer, Little Raffy, Teel, Anthony, etc. They may help us as members of the Red Sox or as trade chips, but we'll need something of value from them to get back to the top of the division.
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Post by manfred on Oct 1, 2023 11:57:58 GMT -5
I could take or leave Bloom, but whoever they get has to be better. Not the highest bar to clear, but also not a slam dunk either. This person needs to be able to spend a lot of money wisely while being able to preserve the best of the farm, being able to extract value out of prospect surplus and being able to Judge whose value has reached its zenith. Not an easy task, but a necessary once as I'd think the first goal is to get them to be a playoff team next season, even if it's a 3rd wild card type team, they have to be playing postseason ball. Right. The Bloom discussion became so polarized that both sides dug in and went too far exaggerating his performance. The Red Sox have had much worse (Pinky Higgins and Haywood Sullivan, to name two) and much better. (Theo Epstein and Dick O'Connell are my top two.) And if the Red Sox do get back on top, it will invariably be with big contributions from some of the young guys Bloom brought into the organization, such as Mayer, Little Raffy, Teel, Anthony, etc. They may help us as members of the Red Sox or as trade chips, but we'll need something of value from them to get back to the top of the division. He did not bring in li’l Raffy.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Oct 1, 2023 12:05:50 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season. For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return. Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season. I got what I wanted out of the season… Bloom is out. So it hasn’t been all bad. It is the most important thing if they are going to get back on top. I would have rather seen Chaim get a long-term extension because they won the division going away and barnstormed through the playoffs, the likes of which we haven't seen in these parts in nigh on 5 years.
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Post by manfred on Oct 1, 2023 12:15:51 GMT -5
I got what I wanted out of the season… Bloom is out. So it hasn’t been all bad. It is the most important thing if they are going to get back on top. I would have rather seen Chaim get a long-term extension because they won the division going away and barnstormed through the playoffs, the likes of which we haven't seen in these parts in nigh on 5 years. Well, I’d like to be going for a three-peat. But in this universe…
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Post by fenwaydouble on Oct 1, 2023 12:48:36 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season. For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return. Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season. They went 12-8 in the three weeks after the Jays sweep. I know people want to make the collapse about the trade deadline (and you can certainly argue that the lack of reinforcements was what eventually did in the season), but the slide did not begin in the first week of August. It began with the Bear Claw game. Since then they've been an absolutely gutless 8-22.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 13:13:14 GMT -5
It's like once they got swept bu Toronto they knew they were done. That was the key series of the year. It's almost as if the players were upset that they got virtually no reinforcements in time for that series, got swept, and then packed it in for the season. For most of the year I thought they'd be a good team and that the fangraphs odds were being over dramatically negative, that they had a chance and they did. But once Toronto got through with them, I felt like the season was done. I cant help but wonder if the players felt that way. They shouldn't. They're professionals and I'm not. I'm just a fan. But they are human. Not getting reinforcements is no excuse to fold, but it sure feels like that's what theyve done although a more clinical explanation would be that their best hopes rested on a flimsy front 3 of Sale, Bello, and Paxton and that Sale predictably got hurt and was not dominating the way he had been immediately upon his return while Paxton and Bello hit innings walls and were far less effective, the offense which took a week off in either May or June, I cant remember which, went on an extended vacation for the remainder of the year, all while the team defense and baserunning remained constantly awful the rest of the year, excluding the obvious improvement at SS with Story's return. Either way it all went terribly wrong and at this point rooting for the 9th pick of the draft is as good as its going to get. But in typical Sox fashion I expect them to blow that and win this absolutely meaningless game, as 78-84 seems to be their go to record when channeling mediocrity. All there is left to root for on the good is a Turner grand slam to get him to 100 RBI, a Devers RBI to get him to 100, and a 30th save for Jansen if he's even pitching. When you're rooting for saves or RBIs or draft pick position and for the season to be over with so you can get onto to a hopefully more exciting offseason you know it's been a terrible season. They went 12-8 in the three weeks after the Jays sweep. I know people want to make the collapse about the trade deadline (and you can certainly argue that the lack of reinforcements was what eventually did in the season), but the slide did not begin in the first week of August. It began with the Bear Claw game. Since then they've been an absolutely gutless 8-22. Understood the free fall occurred 3 weeks later, but they were out if the race once they got swept by Toronto. Kind of like how in 2004 the brawl is credited for turning the season around but they were only 8-6 afterward until they caught fire. But I think the tone of the season shifted in 04 when Varitek stuffed his mitt in A-Rod's face and Mueller walked off Rivera. Likewise when McGuire was celebrating the walkoff victory and got doubled off instead it was obvious they'd get swept and they never became a factor in the wild card race afterwards. They were gone.
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Post by cdj on Oct 1, 2023 13:43:16 GMT -5
Team just announced Wakefield died
heartbreaking. RIP Wake
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 1, 2023 13:44:49 GMT -5
Devastating news. Horrendous. RIP Tim Wakefield. Extremely sad.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 1, 2023 13:47:09 GMT -5
Oh man, how awful. He was always one of my favorite players since he arrived out of the blue in '95.
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