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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Sept 29, 2023 18:32:27 GMT -5
I don’t think the Sox are scoring any more runs this season
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 29, 2023 18:33:58 GMT -5
Means no-hitter tonight?
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 29, 2023 18:34:37 GMT -5
9 up, 9 down. 3 K's...Yup, so familiar...
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'At the end of the day, we bang. We bang. We're going to swing.' Alex Verdugo
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Post by radiohix on Sept 29, 2023 18:40:13 GMT -5
Wong's pitch framing is a real issue for this team's pitching staff.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 29, 2023 18:41:06 GMT -5
Just highlighting the big plus of the past GM, building the farm with the 7th pick
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 29, 2023 18:41:09 GMT -5
In the meantime, Pivetta has a pretty good outing going himself !
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Post by incandenza on Sept 29, 2023 18:45:19 GMT -5
Because I'm not judging him on what he was "supposed" to become or whatever. What I am saying is that he is a 2 WAR player who is going to cost $10 million and that is a bargain. Your fixation on this topic is well known, but you just aren't going to do better than that. Like yeah, Duvall might be a comparable talent; but he's going to cost more (and is older and more injury-prone, so riskier).
Trading Verdugo is totally conceivable. But saying it's a "crime" to not trade him, or that a 2 WAR veteran on a one-year contract is inherently worthless like Mr. Johnson was saying, just doesn't make any sort of sense at all.
Well, I’d rather have Abreu or whomever pushing himself than a guy who has historically underperformed on a team that struggles to reach its potential. I'd rather have the better or more valuable player.
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Post by manfred on Sept 29, 2023 18:45:40 GMT -5
Are they on a 23-inning scoreless streak?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 29, 2023 18:46:50 GMT -5
Sale, Pivetta, Bello and Crawford should be a functional of a 3-6 portion of a rotation. Get a couple guys to slot 1 and 2 and you have something going.
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Post by wildsox on Sept 29, 2023 18:49:19 GMT -5
No hit again thru 4 innings. This might be the worst stretch I’ve ever seen
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Post by incandenza on Sept 29, 2023 18:50:29 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried about the offense than the pitching for next season. The pitching is in worse shape now but the fix is straightforward: just sign a couple of starters. But the offense is not as good as it needs to be and it's very hard to see any FA signings (other than one flamingly obvious but still unlikely one) that would improve them at any position.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 29, 2023 18:51:35 GMT -5
This is simple we would of gotten our answers if Bloom just got some pitching at the deadline. In effect this let Cora off the hook to me. It's not fair to keep running bullpen games. We are the Red Sox this is our city!. LOL. Cora if he got a starter or two The front office would be able to make a fair evaluation on him. This got him a mulligan for this season. Just my opinion. The team did fight. I pointed out the problem with SS and to a lesser 2b. This wasn't dealt with either not to a satisfactory degree. Totally unacceptable. I listen to the guys on the podcast. I agreed all year with them. I know its gonna get panned in the local news I think give it internally, I already said Romero Jr. Pair these two. If this doesnt work then get new Baseball OPPS.and let him pick the manager. Clean slate. That would have been great! But, at what cost? For a couple of middling innings eaters we could have tossed in Verdugo and, take your pick, Mayer, Rafaela, Gonzalez etc. Our impending FAs would not have mattered. Sorry, that doesn't make it for me. Yeah, we would be better short term but bitching long term in mediocrity. How about a mix of the Oriole's process (sage high draft picks) and Tampa (find the off radar gems?). I hear you but we'll never know. I just think we competed good against these teams. It's over now. I love this team. there nothing here that is impossible to fix. This offseason is so important. I think they have the answer internally. Because internally they know to keep building the system but this is Boston. You have to get the top guy. I want Turner here next year. I just love his knowledge of the game.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 29, 2023 18:58:21 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried about the offense than the pitching for next season. The pitching is in worse shape now but the fix is straightforward: just sign a couple of starters. But the offense is not as good as it needs to be and it's very hard to see any FA signings (other than one flamingly obvious but still unlikely one) that would improve them at any position. could be, but i always worry less about offense, because we play half our games at Fenway. We are still 5th this year in the AL in runs scored. Consistency is an issue, for sure, but I think we need a couple of guys that other teams know they are gonna be in for it that night when they step in the box. Story...he is gonna be so important next year.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 29, 2023 18:58:56 GMT -5
Trevor Story has zero quit in him.
Some of these posts however demonstrate major projection.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 29, 2023 19:08:57 GMT -5
No you arent imagining things.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 29, 2023 19:11:25 GMT -5
No you arent imagining things. wow. that is pretty stark.
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 29, 2023 19:13:02 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried about the offense than the pitching for next season. The pitching is in worse shape now but the fix is straightforward: just sign a couple of starters. But the offense is not as good as it needs to be and it's very hard to see any FA signings (other than one flamingly obvious but still unlikely one) that would improve them at any position. could be, but i always worry less about offense, because we play half our games at Fenway. We are still 5th this year in the AL in runs scored. Consistency is an issue, for sure, but I think we need a couple of guys that other teams know they are gonna be in for it that night when they step in the box. Story...he is gonna be so important next year. Our opponents play half their games at Fenway too, though
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Post by incandenza on Sept 29, 2023 19:23:32 GMT -5
Do we extend the logic that "he's a cheap 2 WAR player with only one year of control remaining so we should trade him" to Pivetta?
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 29, 2023 19:24:01 GMT -5
Oh, they're not just bringing him back. It's a perquisite that the GM have a positive relationship with Cora since he's going to be forced upon whomever takes the job. The most important role of an organization and they're going to make sure they get the best GM for the manager, not the best GM available. What a colossal disaster waiting to happen, but because they're going to spend this off-season (which I always felt like was the plan regardless of Bloom), they'll win games and make the Wild Card and everyone will think it's because of this new dynamic when in reality they just spent a bunch of money and likely traded good/great prospects to get there. Which I think anyone could have done (being a little harsh, would need to see the actual trades to fairly critique it). For the 10000th time we are all freaking out over nothing. CORA IS TECHNICALLY UNDER CONTRACT FOR NEXT YEAR! Just like bloom was. Until Bloom was no longer with the team. Good christ its like Weei here. Cora can be fired just like Bloom was if the FO chooses!
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 29, 2023 19:26:12 GMT -5
I'm actually more worried about the offense than the pitching for next season. The pitching is in worse shape now but the fix is straightforward: just sign a couple of starters. But the offense is not as good as it needs to be and it's very hard to see any FA signings (other than one flamingly obvious but still unlikely one) that would improve them at any position. could be, but i always worry less about offense, because we play half our games at Fenway. We are still 5th this year in the AL in runs scored. Consistency is an issue, for sure, but I think we need a couple of guys that other teams know they are gonna be in for it that night when they step in the box. Story...he is gonna be so important next year. Here is a weird stat. BA RISP Bos .265 #11 ( from Baseball Reference) Atl . 267 #10 Based on the eyeball test, I would have expected the Sox to be somewhere down in the 20s. It is all about the pitching !!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 29, 2023 19:29:40 GMT -5
could be, but i always worry less about offense, because we play half our games at Fenway. We are still 5th this year in the AL in runs scored. Consistency is an issue, for sure, but I think we need a couple of guys that other teams know they are gonna be in for it that night when they step in the box. Story...he is gonna be so important next year. Our opponents play half their games at Fenway too, though sure, but it isn't the same thing. they gotta travel to get here, stay in hotels....etc...etc. You don't think Fenway is an advantage for the offense, relative to their yearly offensive output ?
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Post by soxfaninnj on Sept 29, 2023 19:37:43 GMT -5
Complete game would be nice
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Post by greenmonster on Sept 29, 2023 19:39:32 GMT -5
anyone else having issues with the server?
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Post by yuchangclan on Sept 29, 2023 19:39:49 GMT -5
Meanwhile… no Verdugo in the lineup. He is almost out of chances to get his wRC+ to 100. It’d be a shame to end his Sox career on such a low note. But it would be a crime to extend his Sox career into next season. It will take a late flurry this weekend to save him from 3 straight years of declining BA, OBP & OPS+. 54 RBI’s for Verdugo this year. 54! I remember when people were saying this guy was an all-star. I’m not sure where it all went wrong.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 29, 2023 19:40:33 GMT -5
Hopefully we find a way to blow this.
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