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2023 MLB Playoffs - Wild Card Series Thread
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Post by manfred on Oct 4, 2023 15:54:31 GMT -5
Nate with a shutout through 6. Nice to see. One of my favorite Red Sox pitchers of all time, not upset he left though. He must be pleased with it these days, too.
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Post by dfwsox on Oct 4, 2023 16:07:23 GMT -5
Thats probably it for nate. Great pitched game, happy for him. Pulling for rangers in playoffs Got some great young position players.
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Post by dfwsox on Oct 4, 2023 16:09:16 GMT -5
Thats probably it for nate. Great pitched game, happy for him. Pulling for rangers in playoffs Got some great young position players. Plus how can you not pull for Bochy. Great manager
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2023 16:10:49 GMT -5
OYYYYYYY
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Post by dfwsox on Oct 4, 2023 16:11:40 GMT -5
Sorry im taking the board over here a bit but im down here in dfw and they are all over rangers and how bad their pen is. Glad they got out of that, glad they got out of that. haha
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Post by dfwsox on Oct 4, 2023 16:13:33 GMT -5
I dont really think it can be all due to the rays home park. Its a dump but if thats your team.
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 4, 2023 16:13:46 GMT -5
Love Nate, always easy to root when he's on the mound.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2023 16:19:16 GMT -5
I dont really think it can be all due to the rays home park. Its a dump but if thats your team. Nope... Attendance issue wont be fixed until they move out of FLA all together
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Post by radiohix on Oct 4, 2023 16:29:00 GMT -5
3 outs to go and these frauds will be out of the playoffs.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 4, 2023 16:41:34 GMT -5
99 wins and all you get is 27 hours of postseason baseball, a news cycle about how you can't draw any fans and possibly zero runs scored. A comment on this playoff system more than on the Rays. Because upsets didn't happen before? C'mon now.
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Post by radiohix on Oct 4, 2023 16:49:55 GMT -5
1 down, 2 to go. Go Twins! Go Rangers!
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Post by cdj on Oct 4, 2023 16:58:09 GMT -5
Rays have been mid since their hot start
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Post by terriblehondo on Oct 4, 2023 17:12:07 GMT -5
Vlad picked off of 2nd with runners at 2nd and 3rd and Bo at bat to end an inning.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 4, 2023 17:23:34 GMT -5
A comment on this playoff system more than on the Rays. Because upsets didn't happen before? C'mon now. It's not that they lost to an underdog; it's that it happened in this little dinky best-of-three series. It gives the fans no time to even savor their success. And two day games, too; if you live in central Florida and have a day job (a miniscule population, to be sure, but still) then you might not have had a chance to see a single inning of your team in the playoffs. Two games isn't even long enough for a dramatic arc to unfold.
And the other thing, of course, is that the shorter the series, the closer it is to a coin flip, and the more arbitrary the outcome, and the more the whole epic regular season is rendered pointless.
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Post by terriblehondo on Oct 4, 2023 17:32:00 GMT -5
Because upsets didn't happen before? C'mon now. It's not that they lost to an underdog; it's that it happened in this little dinky best-of-three series. It gives the fans no time to even savor their success. And two day games, too; if you live in central Florida and have a day job (a miniscule population, to be sure, but still) then you might not have had a chance to see a single inning of your team in the playoffs. Two games isn't even long enough for a dramatic arc to unfold. And the other thing, of course, is that the shorter the series, the closer it is to a coin flip, and the more arbitrary the outcome, and the more the whole epic regular season is rendered pointless.
Well that should be an incentive to not be a wild card team and there should be one.
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Post by julyanmorley on Oct 4, 2023 17:36:23 GMT -5
Because upsets didn't happen before? C'mon now. It's not that they lost to an underdog; it's that it happened in this little dinky best-of-three series. It gives the fans no time to even savor their success. And two day games, too; if you live in central Florida and have a day job (a miniscule population, to be sure, but still) then you might not have had a chance to see a single inning of your team in the playoffs. Two games isn't even long enough for a dramatic arc to unfold.
And the other thing, of course, is that the shorter the series, the closer it is to a coin flip, and the more arbitrary the outcome, and the more the whole epic regular season is rendered pointless.
Finished 9 games ahead of the #2 seed, too
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Post by scottysmalls on Oct 4, 2023 17:37:32 GMT -5
The league has to balance between the most fair possible system and the most entertaining one. I almost think the three game playoff series swings too much towards more fair and less entertaining than the one-and-dones did. That said, I still think they should balance the schedules and scrap division winners as a seeding mechanism.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 4, 2023 17:39:48 GMT -5
It's not that they lost to an underdog; it's that it happened in this little dinky best-of-three series. It gives the fans no time to even savor their success. And two day games, too; if you live in central Florida and have a day job (a miniscule population, to be sure, but still) then you might not have had a chance to see a single inning of your team in the playoffs. Two games isn't even long enough for a dramatic arc to unfold. And the other thing, of course, is that the shorter the series, the closer it is to a coin flip, and the more arbitrary the outcome, and the more the whole epic regular season is rendered pointless.
Well that should be an incentive to not be a wild card team and there should be one. A wild card is fine. The correct number of playoff teams in a 15-team league, imo, is four. But the other dumb thing about the current system is the seeding, where being the third wild card is almost invariably better than being the second. And some mediocre team in the worst division gets home-field advantage.
Two divisions, two division winners, two wild cards, straight to a best-of-seven divisional series, home-field advantage based solely on record. That's the way to go.
ADD: Oh sorry, misread your comment. Yeah I don't care that much about incentives to not be a wild card I guess. The incentive should be to win as many games as possible; I'm not interested in punishing the Rays for only winning 99 games in a division where another team won 102.
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Post by manfred on Oct 4, 2023 17:50:14 GMT -5
Well that should be an incentive to not be a wild card team and there should be one. A wild card is fine. The correct number of playoff teams in a 15-team league, imo, is four. But the other dumb thing about the current system is the seeding, where being the third wild card is almost invariably better than being the second. And some mediocre team in the worst division gets home-field advantage.
Two divisions, two division winners, two wild cards, straight to a best-of-seven divisional series, home-field advantage based solely on record. That's the way to go.
ADD: Oh sorry, misread your comment. Yeah I don't care that much about incentives to not be a wild card I guess. The incentive should be to win as many games as possible; I'm not interested in punishing the Rays for only winning 99 games in a division where another team won 102.
Then why not scrap divisions altogether? Balanced schedule+1st place doesn’t matter = pointless to have divisions. It sort of seems like people are saying they are alright with upsets but when upsets happen it is a sign there is a problem. There are teams that have great regular seasons that are limping into the playoffs or get cold or whatever. The Rays have found a way to lose 100% of the time. I’m unbothered by the current system.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 4, 2023 18:02:24 GMT -5
Yeah, and playing devil's advocate, it's a game in the middle of a weekday. One could argue that the team that has a hard time drawing probably shouldn't get the early game. But what do I know? I get not trying to reward them but throw them a bone maybe to keep from making that kind of headline? Given how that club fell apart late (and is now missing numerous key players due to injury and legal issues), I get not being pumped for their playoff run. Something needs to be done. Fair question whether it's moving them or getting them a park people want to go to. I can't overstate how bad a place it is to see a game. I appreciate what you’re saying, but I note that these games had lower attendance than mid-week, mid-day postseason games played during the Great Depression and WW2 (when all games were midday). I’m sure they’d have better attendance if they played at night in a more convenient location, but historically every other fan base has made the effort to get to the games under similar circumstances.
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Post by bluechip on Oct 4, 2023 18:06:46 GMT -5
Because upsets didn't happen before? C'mon now. It's not that they lost to an underdog; it's that it happened in this little dinky best-of-three series. It gives the fans no time to even savor their success. And two day games, too; if you live in central Florida and have a day job (a miniscule population, to be sure, but still) then you might not have had a chance to see a single inning of your team in the playoffs. Two games isn't even long enough for a dramatic arc to unfold. And the other thing, of course, is that the shorter the series, the closer it is to a coin flip, and the more arbitrary the outcome, and the more the whole epic regular season is rendered pointless.
I still Disagree. The former one game playoff rounds had some of the best atmosphere and drama going. Yes, it stunk to play a whole season then go home after one bad game, but not everyone was subjected to that. That format and the current format actually does put more importance on the regular season because avoiding the first round is a big deal. That one game wild card round was fun for baseball fans in generally because the whole season depended on every pitch. Yes there is luck, but so what. If you wanted to avoid being unlucky be better in the regular season.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 4, 2023 18:07:03 GMT -5
A wild card is fine. The correct number of playoff teams in a 15-team league, imo, is four. But the other dumb thing about the current system is the seeding, where being the third wild card is almost invariably better than being the second. And some mediocre team in the worst division gets home-field advantage.
Two divisions, two division winners, two wild cards, straight to a best-of-seven divisional series, home-field advantage based solely on record. That's the way to go.
ADD: Oh sorry, misread your comment. Yeah I don't care that much about incentives to not be a wild card I guess. The incentive should be to win as many games as possible; I'm not interested in punishing the Rays for only winning 99 games in a division where another team won 102.
Then why not scrap divisions altogether? Balanced schedule+1st place doesn’t matter = pointless to have divisions. It sort of seems like people are saying they are alright with upsets but when upsets happen it is a sign there is a problem. There are teams that have great regular seasons that are limping into the playoffs or get cold or whatever. The Rays have found a way to lose 100% of the time. I’m unbothered by the current system. Well, again, upsets are okay; it's just too trivializing of the regular season to reduce it to a best-of-three series for a 99-game winner. If the Rays get swept in four games, that's an epic disaster and a failure by the team and there's time to digest that. A two-game sweep is just like, poof, they're gone.
Winning the division would still matter as a way to guarantee you'd make the playoffs; i.e., all four teams couldn't come from the same division. But whatever, I'm not dying on that hill; if people want divisions to retain their importance that's fine. But there should be two of them because when there are three, one of them (usually the central) is liable to be weak, and the advantage for the winner of that division is too much.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 4, 2023 18:10:02 GMT -5
It's not that they lost to an underdog; it's that it happened in this little dinky best-of-three series. It gives the fans no time to even savor their success. And two day games, too; if you live in central Florida and have a day job (a miniscule population, to be sure, but still) then you might not have had a chance to see a single inning of your team in the playoffs. Two games isn't even long enough for a dramatic arc to unfold. And the other thing, of course, is that the shorter the series, the closer it is to a coin flip, and the more arbitrary the outcome, and the more the whole epic regular season is rendered pointless.
I still Disagree. The former one game playoff rounds had some of the best atmosphere and drama going. Yes, it stunk to play a whole season then go home after one bad game, but not everyone was subjected to that. That format and the current format actually does put more importance on the regular season because avoiding the first round is a big deal. That one game wild card round was fun for baseball fans in generally because the whole season depended on every pitch. Yes there is luck, but so what. If you wanted to avoid being unlucky be better in the regular season. I actually don't hate the one-game playoff so long as it's actually between, say, the 4th and 5th best teams in the league to decide who makes it to the divisional round. Here again the three divisions are a problem, though, because that game might be between a 98-win team and a 92-win team while an 86-win team gets a free pass to the divisional round.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 4, 2023 18:13:10 GMT -5
Buh bye jays
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 4, 2023 18:13:29 GMT -5
I still Disagree. The former one game playoff rounds had some of the best atmosphere and drama going. Yes, it stunk to play a whole season then go home after one bad game, but not everyone was subjected to that. That format and the current format actually does put more importance on the regular season because avoiding the first round is a big deal. That one game wild card round was fun for baseball fans in generally because the whole season depended on every pitch. Yes there is luck, but so what. If you wanted to avoid being unlucky be better in the regular season. I actually don't hate the one-game playoff so long as it's actually between, say, the 4th and 5th best teams in the league to decide who makes it to the divisional round. Here again the three divisions are a problem, though, because that game might be between a 98-win team and a 92-win team while an 86-win team gets a free pass to the divisional round. And here comes my soap box speech.. Get rid of divisions all together and do seeing East vs west Top ___ teams in west and east make the playoffs... If that means an entire division gets shutout than so be it
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