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Post by awalkinthepark on Nov 29, 2023 15:53:57 GMT -5
The fact that the Rays can win 99 games and then trade away Glasnow and Arozarena the following offseason is why they are able to stay competitive year in and year out, yet it's considered off limits in Boston to ever consider trading away stars from your major league roster. It's incredibly self defeating. Where would the 2024 team be if Bloom/ownership were willing to be sellers in 2021/2022? Yes, and after checking my notes the Rays and their ways have still won 0 WS so I'm sorry if I'm not exactly going to sit here and say the Sox ought to be run like the Rays. Don't get me wrong it's very impressive what they've accomplished in the regular season the last decade+ but in the grand scheme of things winning a WS is the end goal which they've never done. They also run a bottom 5 payroll. The Red Sox shouldn't do that part. But keeping good players on mediocre teams and letting them walk in free agency is just fan service.
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Post by chaimtime on Nov 29, 2023 16:13:14 GMT -5
The fact that the Rays can win 99 games and then trade away Glasnow and Arozarena the following offseason is why they are able to stay competitive year in and year out, yet it's considered off limits in Boston to ever consider trading away stars from your major league roster. It's incredibly self defeating. Where would the 2024 team be if Bloom/ownership were willing to be sellers in 2021/2022? Probably roughly the same place. I don’t think washed JD Martinez and injured Nathan Eovaldi are bringing back a similar package to Tyler Glasnow or Randy Arozarena.
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Post by nomar on Nov 29, 2023 16:18:42 GMT -5
Steroid Mookie is about to go crazy
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 29, 2023 16:19:48 GMT -5
I don't want to shout but the Red Sox JUST DID THIS WITH MOOKIE BETTS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. The idea that the team is a) unwilling to trade talent and b) would be better off if they were.... I don't know if that's what's up.
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Post by chaimtime on Nov 29, 2023 16:22:25 GMT -5
Steroid Mookie is about to go crazy Curious why this image was hidden for potentially sensitive content…excellent website Elon
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Post by awalkinthepark on Nov 29, 2023 16:28:57 GMT -5
I don't want to shout but the Red Sox JUST DID THIS WITH MOOKIE BETTS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. The idea that the team is a) unwilling to trade talent and b) would be better off if they were.... I don't know if that's what's up. You mean 4 years ago?
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 29, 2023 16:51:13 GMT -5
Yes. In between they sold high on Hunter Renfroe, got a lot for Brandon Workman, sold low on Andrew Benintendi, and sold somewhere in between on Christian Vazquez.
Other than Bogaerts and Devers, there aren't a lot of other guys who fit what the Rays would be doing with Arozarena. I'm not talking like a JD Martinez situation where Bloom should've taken less to dump the salary, I mean guys who are on pre-FA or team-friendly deals who other teams value. There simply haven't been enough of those guys in the system - that's the problem. It's easy to talk about emulating the Rays model, but you have to have young guys who other teams want.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 29, 2023 16:54:32 GMT -5
There is almost a 0 percent chance that the Rays do the Sox any favors so if they somehow landed Arozarena it'd likely cost a pretty hefty overpay vs what other teams might offer. That being said Arozarena might be the most perfect candidate available to play LF for the Sox the next few years. I don’t think they’d trade him to Boston, and I also think he’s one of those guys where his name is bigger than his actual production, but he is a good player nonetheless. I actually think he for Soto could be the base of a fun deal where the Padres don’t completely punt on 2023 and the Rays go all out for a WS, but Soto is projected $33M in arbitration this year and the Rays owner might have a heart attack just thinking about that. Edit: This source is also pretty terrible upon further review. But I’m so bored that I won’t delete the posts They probably wouldn't but this isn't the same Redsox organization as prior years. Right now, they aren't really a threat and Aroznarena doesn't change it all that much. Now if you move Glasnow and him to the Sox that might be a different story especially if you can get some good prospects. They'd have to overpay but I doubt Tampa hesitates because of the division thing.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 29, 2023 16:59:45 GMT -5
I feel like the Rays would have no problem trading Arozarena to the Sox if the Sox offer was at least moderately better than everyone else's let's say the Giants or some other random non-AL East squad.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 29, 2023 17:03:08 GMT -5
Nobody wants to point out this report is from "at MLB Nerds"?
Am I missing why I should give it any credence?
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Post by manfred on Nov 29, 2023 17:28:26 GMT -5
The fact that the Rays can win 99 games and then trade away Glasnow and Arozarena the following offseason is why they are able to stay competitive year in and year out, yet it's considered off limits in Boston to ever consider trading away stars from your major league roster. It's incredibly self defeating. Where would the 2024 team be if Bloom/ownership were willing to be sellers in 2021/2022? Maybe it helps explain their attendance?
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Post by cba82 on Nov 29, 2023 18:31:44 GMT -5
That and the worst facility in baseball (that’s also hard to get to).
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Post by bosox904 on Nov 29, 2023 18:33:39 GMT -5
The fact that the Rays can win 99 games and then trade away Glasnow and Arozarena the following offseason is why they are able to stay competitive year in and year out, yet it's considered off limits in Boston to ever consider trading away stars from your major league roster. It's incredibly self defeating. Where would the 2024 team be if Bloom/ownership were willing to be sellers in 2021/2022? Yes, and after checking my notes the Rays and their ways have still won 0 WS so I'm sorry if I'm not exactly going to sit here and say the Sox ought to be run like the Rays. Don't get me wrong it's very impressive what they've accomplished in the regular season the last decade+ but in the grand scheme of things winning a WS is the end goal which they've never done. Did you pay attention to the playoffs this year?
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 29, 2023 19:20:46 GMT -5
Yes, and after checking my notes the Rays and their ways have still won 0 WS so I'm sorry if I'm not exactly going to sit here and say the Sox ought to be run like the Rays. Don't get me wrong it's very impressive what they've accomplished in the regular season the last decade+ but in the grand scheme of things winning a WS is the end goal which they've never done. Did you pay attention to the playoffs this year? You mean the playoffs where the Rays still didn't win a WS? Yes I did catch that. Yes the Rays deserve a lot of credit for their regular season success with their lack of financial might. That being said the end goal should be to win the WS not just be perennial post season fixtures.
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Post by radiohix on Nov 30, 2023 13:23:00 GMT -5
I thought I couldn’t hate the MFY more but…
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2023 13:31:51 GMT -5
I thought I couldn’t hate the MFY more but… Wait till they land Soto, lol.
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Post by cdj on Nov 30, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -5
They’re the evil empire for a reason!
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Post by radiohix on Nov 30, 2023 13:44:58 GMT -5
They’re the evil empire for a reason! I visited the killing fields in Cambodia and the Handicap International Center in Vientiane Laos, you can’t be more evil than this man…If there’s an afterlife, I hope he’s in a very very hot place right now. I’ll leave it at that and sorry about derailing the thread.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 30, 2023 18:49:57 GMT -5
They’re the evil empire for a reason! I visited the killing fields in Cambodia and the Handicap International Center in Vientiane Laos, you can’t be more evil than this man…If there’s an afterlife, I hope he’s in a very very hot place right now. I’ll leave it at that and sorry about derailing the thread. Oh no buddy, this tangent doesn't end until I get to post one of the best pop songs ever. The lyrics about a woman getting her husband home after the war only to lose him to PTSD is extremely powerful and it makes me wish pop music wasn't so braindead today.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 1, 2023 10:45:41 GMT -5
Marlins are hiring Kapler as assistant GM. Would have liked his voice and experience in our front office. I suppose it doesn’t close the door on a GM role with us after the season (if Craig even has him on his radar), but I thought he’d be a good fit here as Craig’s GM “thought partner”, as he put it, or in another role.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 1, 2023 17:24:04 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 1, 2023 17:40:21 GMT -5
Not too surprised on Soto he's kind of not a great fit with this roster but at the same time his bat is so dang good I'd still like to see them get him.
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Post by asm19 on Dec 1, 2023 17:42:10 GMT -5
I’m genuinely flummoxed what % of this is the Padres trying to hold the Yankees over a fire, vs the possibility that a Blue Jays package might actually be better than what the Yankees might give. Would you prefer Alek Manoah (a cy young finalist at 24 years old literally a year ago!) compared to Clarke Schmidt?
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 1, 2023 17:54:40 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 1, 2023 17:56:09 GMT -5
Manoah's trade value is an interesting question. I think I'd take Schmidt over him. Soto on 1/33 + a QO isn't worth the moon. Schmidt + Drew Thorpe sounds like a reasonable deal to me
edit: That last report is grim. Wanting cash and being eager to trade Grisham making $5 million suggests things are real bad there.
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