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Post by incandenza on Mar 7, 2024 9:42:02 GMT -5
I thought they did go to Casas already and the sides were just too far apart?
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Post by bosoxnation on Mar 7, 2024 9:46:17 GMT -5
Casas is the guy I'd have been more eager to get something done on an extension if I was Breslow but maybe there's some sort of rationale behind targeting Bello first. Maybe they went to both at the same time, Bello's # was lower than Casas so they figured they'd start there. There also is the question of Casas defense, if it doesn't get to at least slightly below average and he becomes more DH than 1st baseman then locking him in long term maybe isn't the best idea. I'd still do it anyway because I think his bat is that special but I could sort of see it. 1000%. Hes only under control for a few more years and this makes WAY more sense. |
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Post by incandenza on Mar 7, 2024 9:54:46 GMT -5
Casas is the guy I'd have been more eager to get something done on an extension if I was Breslow but maybe there's some sort of rationale behind targeting Bello first. Maybe they went to both at the same time, Bello's # was lower than Casas so they figured they'd start there. There also is the question of Casas defense, if it doesn't get to at least slightly below average and he becomes more DH than 1st baseman then locking him in long term maybe isn't the best idea. I'd still do it anyway because I think his bat is that special but I could sort of see it. 1000%. Hes only under control for a few more years and this makes WAY more sense. Casas and Bello hit free agency the same year. |
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 7, 2024 10:10:08 GMT -5
1000%. Hes only under control for a few more years and this makes WAY more sense. Casas and Bello hit free agency the same year. Details, details... |
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Post by puzzler on Mar 7, 2024 10:11:53 GMT -5
Casas is the guy I'd have been more eager to get something done on an extension if I was Breslow but maybe there's some sort of rationale behind targeting Bello first. Maybe they went to both at the same time, Bello's # was lower than Casas so they figured they'd start there. There also is the question of Casas defense, if it doesn't get to at least slightly below average and he becomes more DH than 1st baseman then locking him in long term maybe isn't the best idea. I'd still do it anyway because I think his bat is that special but I could sort of see it. 1000%. Hes only under control for a few more years and this makes WAY more sense. He's under control for the exact amount of time that Bello is I believe. I'd say it makes more sense to lock up Bello first, because there's a lot less unpredictability with Casas. If he's a stud, which I believe he is, you have more certainty of that after year 2. If Casas has a great year this year - you can throw a contract near what Olson got and get him signed for a long, long time. If Bello is a Cy Young contender, then the cost of signing him goes way up. EDIT: keeping in mind that Casas already basically confirmed that he had received an offer and that it wasn't enticing enough to pull the trigger on. That means, they aren't signing him for a really team friendly deal. It just makes more sense to wait. If he isn't great this year, the contract ceiling (Olson) doesn't increase, but you may be able to get more favorable terms. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 7, 2024 10:14:47 GMT -5
I'm not really expecting a Casas deal. He's a lot more financially secure. The spreadsheets are not going to recommend paying all that much for a 24 year old that hasn't had a 2 WAR season yet. Speculatively, he may already feel like a star after hitting the way he did in the second half.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 7, 2024 10:17:37 GMT -5
Without overthinking it, the rationale is probably that Bello is more willing to sign an extension. You don't always get to do these things in order of priority. Like, if they went to both dudes and were like "hey, any interest in 6/$60?" and Casas said "that is not close to what I'd need for an extension" and Bello said "yes that is in range" then yeah, they're going to get something done with Bello first. They're not going to spend the year negotiating with Casas, with whom they're far apart, while Bello's price goes up.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 7, 2024 10:23:05 GMT -5
Actually, given that Casas quote - “I don’t know if they’re trying to finalize (Bello), but there have really been no talks, no developments, whatsoever” - it doesn't exactly sound like he's shutting down the possibility of further extension talks. It almost sounds like he expects it.
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Post by itinerantherb on Mar 7, 2024 10:36:34 GMT -5
A month or so ago, Casas pretty much came out and said (in so many words), "my family and I are financially comfortable, so I don't feel any great urgency about an extension." Maybe they extend him tomorrow, but I won't be surprised if, short of some monster deal, he decides to go year to year.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 7, 2024 10:40:30 GMT -5
A month or so ago, Casas pretty much came out and said (in so many words), "my family and I are financially comfortable, so I don't feel any great urgency about an extension." Maybe they extend him tomorrow, but I won't be surprised if, short of some monster deal, he decides to go year to year. Didn't he also say within these same sets of quotes (or maybe prior ones) that he wants to be in Boston forever? Now he's obviously not going to come out and say that he wants out but he also doesn't need to make that level of promise about it, either. I would like to get him locked up long-term if possible but I'm also quite confident that, barring a catastrophic lowball, he will be a Red Sox for a long time. |
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Post by itinerantherb on Mar 7, 2024 10:50:26 GMT -5
A month or so ago, Casas pretty much came out and said (in so many words), "my family and I are financially comfortable, so I don't feel any great urgency about an extension." Maybe they extend him tomorrow, but I won't be surprised if, short of some monster deal, he decides to go year to year. Didn't he also say within these same sets of quotes (or maybe prior ones) that he wants to be in Boston forever? Now he's obviously not going to come out and say that he wants out but he also doesn't need to make that level of promise about it, either. I would like to get him locked up long-term if possible but I'm also quite confident that, barring a catastrophic lowball, he will be a Red Sox for a long time. I hope you are right. Maybe it was just posturing, or maybe it was an unusual degree of candor. More than most, Casas seems to say what's on his mind, so I took him at his word. |
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Post by bosoxnation on Mar 7, 2024 11:44:36 GMT -5
1000%. Hes only under control for a few more years and this makes WAY more sense. Casas and Bello hit free agency the same year. You're right i thought Casas was through 2026 not 2028. I need glasses. 😆. Casas is just different. Hes not looking for security. He wants to get paid what hes worth and isnt going to sign an early extension that can cost him millions in my option. He knows hes just going to keep getting better. Bello being a SP with higher risks and from a country with more poverty might just want to secure some money for his family. I can see why the RS want to lock up both guys but I would prefer we lock up Free Agents first since we are a team destined for last place and these guys are both on this team until after 2028. |
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Post by ixnayexxus on Mar 7, 2024 14:36:08 GMT -5
This may be sacrilegious to say, but it's gotten to the point where i no longer care where the remaining free agents sign; I don't want to hear about who is "interested" in who or who has "talked" to who, I just want some deals to get done already.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Mar 7, 2024 15:18:30 GMT -5
I'm not concerned about free agency anymore, but for different reasons.
I'm starting to really get excited about this team. Yeah, we lost Gio's innings, but I Was a little worried about him setting the world record for dingers allowed.
I love, Love this bullpen, the backend has weapons like Slaten and Campbell, even Wiessert looks funky nasty. True guys in the farm forcing open the door like Guerero and maybe even Song. Gone is the waiver wire carocels.
I love the outfield with kids and O'neil being athletic and feisty.
I'm even bullish on the rotation which I believe will be led by Pivetta who not only showed stuff and durability last year, he could have pouted in the bullpen, but he didn't and I think it was huge for his development.
Yeah, it's Sprint Training, but I like this team with a chip on their shoulders and I'm all for giving sports writers a great big shit-burger to eat!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 7, 2024 15:37:41 GMT -5
Good to see the optimism. And the spelling malaprop is great: sprint training indeed.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 7, 2024 16:15:23 GMT -5
This would be a weird deal to get done. His first FA year probably rates to be worth under 1 WAR, can't imagine there's much money being offered.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 7, 2024 16:19:25 GMT -5
Short of getting Houck to sign something along the lines of what Whitlock signed for I don't really see the need to get an extension with him done now. Of course this comment could look really dumb a year from now if he develops the ability to make it through a lineup 3 times since he'd be a viable 3/4 starter if he can. As things stand he's a 5 starter/swing man weapon in the bullpen which does have value don't get me wrong.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 7, 2024 19:02:40 GMT -5
A month or so ago, Casas pretty much came out and said (in so many words), "my family and I are financially comfortable, so I don't feel any great urgency about an extension." Maybe they extend him tomorrow, but I won't be surprised if, short of some monster deal, he decides to go year to year. Didn't he also say within these same sets of quotes (or maybe prior ones) that he wants to be in Boston forever? Now he's obviously not going to come out and say that he wants out but he also doesn't need to make that level of promise about it, either. I would like to get him locked up long-term if possible but I'm also quite confident that, barring a catastrophic lowball, he will be a Red Sox for a long time. Come on, now. That’s a cliche as old as baseball itself. They ALL want to be in _______ city FOREVER. That is until a better offer comes along, of course. |
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Post by sxfan on Mar 7, 2024 21:31:59 GMT -5
Pedro saying Bello gained about 6-7 pounds of good weight. Said he expects a way better year with his experience he gained last year. Said he had no idea what he was doing last year.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 8, 2024 10:03:14 GMT -5
Wikelman and Perales optioned.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 8, 2024 14:44:21 GMT -5
I just discovered the season opener is gonna be a 10pm game. That's kinda weird.
And after the first 10 games of the season their only trip west of the Central time zone is @lad and @col immediately following the all-star break. That's a blessed schedule.
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Post by asm18 on Mar 8, 2024 15:23:59 GMT -5
Betting the over
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 8, 2024 22:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Mar 8, 2024 22:59:26 GMT -5
Now there's a take we haven't seen this offseason!
His only concrete suggestion is that they should sign Montgomery, and in the same column he says that Montgomery is asking for 7 years. No gracias.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 8, 2024 23:20:25 GMT -5
Starts with the NY Post as the source, and goes downhill from there! No surprise. After four titles in twenty years the knives are out. Heyman's is, naturally, pretty dull.
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