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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 4, 2024 10:54:43 GMT -5
For the Braves LT purposes since the Sox sent 17M and he just tore up the original deal and agreed to two years 38M would that mean on the Braves LT the next two years he would be 10.5M a year seeing how they only have to pay him 21M of the 38?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 4, 2024 10:56:33 GMT -5
It’s not the craziest thing. They already had him for this year on a 1/10 or whatever. They lock him in next year on a 1/17 which is in the realm of what he’s likely to get even if he only pitches 100 innings, maybe slightly high, but much lower than he’d get with a bigger bounce back. Then they get a 2026 option. He's basically playing for free this year now while locked up for next year with a team option. Makes sense for both sides.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 4, 2024 10:57:15 GMT -5
For the Braves LT purposes since the Sox sent 17M and he just tore up the original deal and agreed to two years 38M would that mean on the Braves LT the next two years he would be 10.5M a year seeing how they only have to pay him 21M of the 38? No it's based on his salary. Then you subtract the 17 from their CBT this year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 4, 2024 11:01:16 GMT -5
So AAV is 19m. He's basically 2m this year and 19m next.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 4, 2024 11:02:39 GMT -5
It’s not the craziest thing. They already had him for this year on a 1/10 or whatever. They lock him in next year on a 1/17 which is in the realm of what he’s likely to get even if he only pitches 100 innings, maybe slightly high, but much lower than he’d get with a bigger bounce back. Then they get a 2026 option. He's basically playing for free this year now while locked up for next year with a team option. Makes sense for both sides. It doesn’t make sense to me for ATL to give a guy his age with his injury history an extra year before he’s even gotten his Braves swag in the mail in Florida. Edit: I have to believe there was a handshake deal to get him to waive the no-trade clause.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 4, 2024 11:15:00 GMT -5
He's basically playing for free this year now while locked up for next year with a team option. Makes sense for both sides. It doesn’t make sense to me for ATL to give a guy his age with his injury history an extra year before he’s even gotten his Braves swag in the mail in Florida. Edit: I have to believe there was a handshake deal to get him to waive the no-trade clause. If I'm understanding it correctly, when you include the $17 million the Sox are throwing in it's like a 2 year/$20 million contract. Which sounds to me like exactly the sort of contract a veteran pitcher with a recent injury history would get.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Jan 4, 2024 11:16:20 GMT -5
Definitely depends on the player and the context, but given Glasnow and (likely) Sale, can we put an end to the "there's never a conditional extension agreement before a trade is made" point that comes up every time someone suggests trading for a "rental" player. I brought it up re: Burnes much earlier this offseason (before he went on the record indicating that he'd rather test the market).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 4, 2024 11:17:19 GMT -5
The Braves are good at extending players for reasonable prices, lol.
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Post by geostorm on Jan 4, 2024 11:17:22 GMT -5
A bit of rough math on my side, but with each of Giolito & Sale receiving approx $19M/year, next two years, Sox preference was Giolito + Grissom > Sale for this year and next (plus Grissom control...which I'm okay with)?
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Post by bluechip on Jan 4, 2024 11:41:21 GMT -5
That’s the only way that this makes sense to me, from the Braves’ perspective. Alex just reported this was after the trade. Dude got traded from a team that finished in last to the team that had the best record in baseball. I don't think it's crazy to assume that was enough. Eduardo Rodriguez rejected a trade from the Tigers to the Dodgers. Going to a great team is not always enough.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 4, 2024 12:40:03 GMT -5
If I were Chris Sale I think I would have told them that forfeiting the $10 million in deferred money is more than enough to give up for you to guarantee the 2025 year and told them to pound sand on the 2026 option.
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Post by geostorm on Jan 4, 2024 12:56:23 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 4, 2024 13:00:58 GMT -5
It’s always surprising to me how often spring training location gets brought up as a consideration for players. That one month really seems to matter more than I would expect it to. Has anyone explained this before?
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Post by incandenza on Jan 4, 2024 13:13:18 GMT -5
(People make such a big deal about a Japanese player potentially choosing a team because they're 5,000 miles from home rather than 6,500, and then totally discard the principle when it comes to American players who might choose to *actually* live close to home.)
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Post by bluechip on Jan 4, 2024 13:35:42 GMT -5
It’s always surprising to me how often spring training location gets brought up as a consideration for players. That one month really seems to matter more than I would expect it to. Has anyone explained this before? Chris Sale is from Florida and has a home in Naples Florida. For him, I am sure it was a very big deal. Fort Meyers is fairly close, to his offseason home. The Braves facility is farther but still not THAT far.
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Post by nomar on Jan 4, 2024 13:48:28 GMT -5
After asking me for permission, Grissom is getting #5.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 4, 2024 14:01:12 GMT -5
It’s always surprising to me how often spring training location gets brought up as a consideration for players. That one month really seems to matter more than I would expect it to. Has anyone explained this before? Chris Sale is from Florida and has a home in Naples Florida. For him, I am sure it was a very big deal. Fort Meyers is fairly close, to his offseason home. The Braves facility is farther but still not THAT far. I guess 6 weeks closer to home is worth something, especially with a family, and everybody's different, so I'm probably under-thinking it, just not something I personally would care much about. I wonder if there's also a tax thing, if he's able to be in Florida fully 6 months of the year he might be able to just pay Florida state income tax, unsure.
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Post by geostorm on Jan 4, 2024 15:19:41 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 4, 2024 16:37:42 GMT -5
It doesn’t make sense to me for ATL to give a guy his age with his injury history an extra year before he’s even gotten his Braves swag in the mail in Florida. Edit: I have to believe there was a handshake deal to get him to waive the no-trade clause. If I'm understanding it correctly, when you include the $17 million the Sox are throwing in it's like a 2 year/$20 million contract. Which sounds to me like exactly the sort of contract a veteran pitcher with a recent injury history would get. Okay, so now you’ve given up six years of a top prospect straight up for two years of a former ace who can’t stay healthy at market value (i.e 2/$20m). I still like the Sox side of the trade.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 4, 2024 17:29:55 GMT -5
If I'm understanding it correctly, when you include the $17 million the Sox are throwing in it's like a 2 year/$20 million contract. Which sounds to me like exactly the sort of contract a veteran pitcher with a recent injury history would get. Okay, so now you’ve given up six years of a top prospect straight up for two years of a former ace who can’t stay healthy at market value (i.e 2/$20m). I still like the Sox side of the trade. Dan Szymborski mentioned during his chat today that it is clear a lot of teams are comfortable having an injury-plagued pitcher on their roster and then just plugging in depth arms when that inevitable injury crops up. The Dodgers and Glasnow, the Braves and Sale. I get why fans would be frustrated with that strategy, but I also don't think it's the worst idea in the world when there aren't a whole lot of alternatives available.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 4, 2024 17:36:04 GMT -5
Okay, so now you’ve given up six years of a top prospect straight up for two years of a former ace who can’t stay healthy at market value (i.e 2/$20m). I still like the Sox side of the trade. Dan Szymborski mentioned during his chat today that it is clear a lot of teams are comfortable having an injury-plagued pitcher on their roster and then just plugging in depth arms when that inevitable injury crops up. The Dodgers and Glasnow, the Braves and Sale. I get why fans would be frustrated with that strategy, but I also don't think it's the worst idea in the world when there aren't a whole lot of alternatives available. I get that and it’s fine for 2/$20m to see if you catch lightning in a bottle. But I don’t get it for 2/$20m plus six years of a top prospect with a can’t-miss bat.
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Post by chaimtime on Jan 4, 2024 18:07:33 GMT -5
Dan Szymborski mentioned during his chat today that it is clear a lot of teams are comfortable having an injury-plagued pitcher on their roster and then just plugging in depth arms when that inevitable injury crops up. The Dodgers and Glasnow, the Braves and Sale. I get why fans would be frustrated with that strategy, but I also don't think it's the worst idea in the world when there aren't a whole lot of alternatives available. I get that and it’s fine for 2/$20m to see if you catch lightning in a bottle. But I don’t get it for 2/$20m plus six years of a top prospect with a can’t-miss bat. I like the deal for the Sox but i do think there’s something to be said for Atlanta getting him for $0 this year. Not having to pay Sale until they’re done paying Charlie Morton is huge for a team that’s both ready to go all in on the upcoming season and pushing up against the upper limits of its budget. Sounds like there’s a mutual understanding that this is probably their last run with Max Fried, too, so all the more reason to try to push in the chips now.
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Post by tookme55 on Jan 4, 2024 18:32:29 GMT -5
After winning the world series, the Braves have won close to 200 games but got knocked out twice in the playoffs.
They are looking for 'good Sale' to show up when it matters.
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Post by cmax on Jan 4, 2024 19:09:47 GMT -5
I love this site and not trying to be nitpicky but wondering why Vaughn Grissom is listed as a SS on the Depth Chart here. Feels clear given Breslow's remarks that Grissom is being seen as #1 on 2B depth chart.
Exciting trade. Eager to see what they do next to add a starter or two as well as another bat.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 4, 2024 21:34:09 GMT -5
I still like the trade. Sale was useless here. He couldn't stay healthy and the Sox aren't making the playoffs. Grissom fits the timeline and the team more. I personally would like for them to work out an extension with Grissom that buys out his ARB years but something tells me that isn't happening anytime soon.
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