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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 22, 2024 6:09:11 GMT -5
What's depressing? Yoshida was great for 4 months and bad for two and wound up putting up decent overall numbers but nothing spectacular, especially considering that he makes 18 million per year and is pretty much a DH. He's not good defensively. Manny could get away with crappy defense because he hit like Manny. Yoshida is no Manny. Yoshida's defense relegates him to DH which puts more pressure on his bat, which is certainly better than the Dom Smith's of the world, but he's injured and who the hell knows when he returns at this point. Do you really think that if Breslow could dump that contract he wouldn't? Think about it. The Red Sox of the near future slant very lefthanded. I'm sure they would prefer a RH DH masher if all things were equal. I wouldnt be surprised if when Mayer comes up he pushes either Grissom or more likely Story to 3b with the other at 2b and pushing Devers to DH where he really belongs. Yoshida doesn't ideally fit the team's best roster construction of the near future, especially when you figure their lineup could soon feature Devers, Casas, Anthony, Mayer, Teel, and possibly both Duran and/or Abreu. Very left handed. Yoshida is kind of extraneous in all this. And they're certainly not pushing any of Duran, Abreu, or Anthony out of LF to make room for Yoshida, that's for sure. Ok ill play your game. No disrespect. When's the last time all 3 of our top 3 prospects made the ML roster? Now lets factor in Roman is 20. Mayer 21 and Teel 22. Now let's pretend that Wong hasn't been AMAZING. Why in the world would we so quick to move on from him. I know its been only 7 weeks but hes the best 2 strike hitter in all of baseball. Either way Are you expecting these kids to take over the AL east? Let's be honest here. The smartest move would be to trade Roman and more for someone like Tatis. Hes a top 50 prospect. We're so overloaded with LHH outfielders are you ready to move on from Duran or Abreu who seem like long term options? Get your RHH outfield stud and then you got Yoshi as DH and 4th OF. You also open up a spot for Nazan who imo will be our future 3rd baseman. By the time Yoshis contract is up Devers moves to DH Nazan or someone to 3rd maybe Grissom who knows. They are all still KIDs. Devers and Tatis would be the new Ortiz/Manny π. Hey maybe we even package Roman And Yoshida so a team gets a ML player with someone like Blaze. Idk it's all hypothetical just saying we paid Yoshi. Hes been above AVG player. You also have to understand there's a lot of talent coming from Japan and Yoshi gives us an in. Maybe he helps us get Munetaka Murakami π Yoshida is pals with Yamamato. How much did that influence him to come to Boston? Not at all. The "he'll get us other Japanese players" thing is overblown. The Red Sox have been trying to get to their next young core forever. Sure the Sox could trade Anthony but we have no real indication that a locked up Tatis is being dealt, nor have I said the Sox are dumping Wong and others right now. We wont see Teel, Anthony, and even Mayer really impacting the Sox until 2026. I think theyll be up before then. As far as Wong goes, he's off to a great start. Excellent. How much of that will he maintain going forward? I'm certainly not advocating dumping him, but I also dont think he will be their catcher the next five to seven years either. I think his presence will allow the Sox to break Teel in gently. Short of getting Tatis which o doubt happens, I think the Sox are pretty damn excited about Anthony. They wont rush him. They dont need to. These kids are very much in their plans going forward however. This includes Grissom as well. This doesnt necessarily include Yoshida but given his contract and status it's hard to see him elsewhere.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 22, 2024 7:25:26 GMT -5
Why canβt we get guys like that? πππ
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 22, 2024 7:28:40 GMT -5
What's depressing? Yoshida was great for 4 months and bad for two and wound up putting up decent overall numbers but nothing spectacular, especially considering that he makes 18 million per year and is pretty much a DH. He's not good defensively. Manny could get away with crappy defense because he hit like Manny. Yoshida is no Manny. Yoshida's defense relegates him to DH which puts more pressure on his bat, which is certainly better than the Dom Smith's of the world, but he's injured and who the hell knows when he returns at this point. Do you really think that if Breslow could dump that contract he wouldn't? Think about it. The Red Sox of the near future slant very lefthanded. I'm sure they would prefer a RH DH masher if all things were equal. I wouldnt be surprised if when Mayer comes up he pushes either Grissom or more likely Story to 3b with the other at 2b and pushing Devers to DH where he really belongs. Yoshida doesn't ideally fit the team's best roster construction of the near future, especially when you figure their lineup could soon feature Devers, Casas, Anthony, Mayer, Teel, and possibly both Duran and/or Abreu. Very left handed. Yoshida is kind of extraneous in all this. And they're certainly not pushing any of Duran, Abreu, or Anthony out of LF to make room for Yoshida, that's for sure. Ok ill play your game. No disrespect. When's the last time all 3 of our top 3 prospects made the ML roster? Now lets factor in Roman is 20. Mayer 21 and Teel 22. Now let's pretend that Wong hasn't been AMAZING. Why in the world would we so quick to move on from him. I know its been only 7 weeks but hes the best 2 strike hitter in all of baseball. Either way Are you expecting these kids to take over the AL east? Let's be honest here. The smartest move would be to trade Roman and more for someone like Tatis. Hes a top 50 prospect. We're so overloaded with LHH outfielders are you ready to move on from Duran or Abreu who seem like long term options? Get your RHH outfield stud and then you got Yoshi as DH and 4th OF. You also open up a spot for Nazan who imo will be our future 3rd baseman. By the time Yoshis contract is up Devers moves to DH Nazan or someone to 3rd maybe Grissom who knows. They are all still KIDs. Devers and Tatis would be the new Ortiz/Manny π. Hey maybe we even package Roman And Yoshida so a team gets a ML player with someone like Blaze. Idk it's all hypothetical just saying we paid Yoshi. Hes been above AVG player. You also have to understand there's a lot of talent coming from Japan and Yoshi gives us an in. Maybe he helps us get Munetaka Murakami π To answer your original question....it wasnt that long ago. Xander, Mookie, and JBJ, and Vazquez debuted within a year of each other. Not much later, Benintendi and Devers graduated, the core of the last great Red Sox team. Before then top prospects Youkilis, Papelbon, Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Buchholz graduated. That list could have included Hanley Ramirez and Anabal Sanchez as well but they were dealt during Theo's sabbatical. Years before them I remember Greenwell, Burks, Benzinger, and Sam Horn all being rookies together in 87 and you know the Sox had young farm generated cores in 75 and 67 so it's not outlandish for the Sox to graduate young talent together in waves. The Sox have been trying to bridge from the Mookie/X core to the Casas/Anthony/Mayer core for what seems like a long time now. They're looking to have a stable group of young regulars at each position within the next 2 to 3 years. That group now includes Grissom and in some capacity Rafaela. Guys like Zanatello, Cespedes, and Bleis are too far away at the moment. Mayer, Teel, and Anthony are much closer and will be mixed in by 2026 if not sooner. It's not that rare. In fact it's kind of overdue.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 28, 2024 17:35:04 GMT -5
Ok ill play your game. No disrespect. When's the last time all 3 of our top 3 prospects made the ML roster? Now letβs factor in Roman is 20. Mayer 21 and Teel 22. Now let's pretend that Wong hasn't been AMAZING. Why in the world would we so quick to move on from him. I know itβs been only 7 weeks but hes the best 2 strike hitter in all of baseball. Either way Are you expecting these kids to take over the AL east? Let's be honest here. The smartest move would be to trade Roman and more for someone like Tatis. Hes a top 50 prospect. We're so overloaded with LHH outfielders are you ready to move on from Duran or Abreu who seem like long term options? Get your RHH outfield stud and then you got Yoshi as DH and 4th OF. You also open up a spot for Nazan who imo will be our future 3rd baseman. By the time Yoshis contract is up Devers moves to DH Nazan or someone to 3rd maybe Grissom who knows. They are all still KIDs. Devers and Tatis would be the new Ortiz/Manny π. Hey maybe we even package Roman And Yoshida so a team gets a ML player with someone like Blaze. Idk it's all hypothetical just saying we paid Yoshi. Hes been above AVG player. You also have to understand there's a lot of talent coming from Japan and Yoshi gives us an in. Maybe he helps us get Munetaka Murakami π To answer your original question....it wasnt that long ago. Xander, Mookie, and JBJ, and Vazquez debuted within a year of each other. Not much later, Benintendi and Devers graduated, the core of the last great Red Sox team. Before then top prospects Youkilis, Papelbon, Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Buchholz graduated. That list could have included Hanley Ramirez and Anabal Sanchez as well but they were dealt during Theo's sabbatical. Years before them I remember Greenwell, Burks, Benzinger, and Sam Horn all being rookies together in 87 and you know the Sox had young farm generated cores in 75 and 67 so it's not outlandish for the Sox to graduate young talent together in waves. The Sox have been trying to bridge from the Mookie/X core to the Casas/Anthony/Mayer core for what seems like a long time now. They're looking to have a stable group of young regulars at each position within the next 2 to 3 years. That group now includes Grissom and in some capacity Rafaela. Guys like Zanatello, Cespedes, and Bleis are too far away at the moment. Mayer, Teel, and Anthony are much closer and will be mixed in by 2026 if not sooner. It's not that rare. In fact it's kind of overdue. Totally agree! Each WS championship had many homegrown core players. In 2003 to jump start the process Theo added FAs Ortiz, Millar, Mueller,β¦to existing FAs Ramirez, Damonβ¦. to home grown Garciaparra and Trot Nixon,β¦. The offense was otherworldly! Of course that was the foundation of 2004. As the contracts expired the accumulation of draft choices, because of the compensation rules then allowed the Red Sox to stuff the farm system full which helped fuel the next three WS championships. Those compensation rules, unfortunately for the Red Sox, no longer exist, so the retool has taken longer. I have no doubt that when the core is rebuilt the right FAs will be added. I just hope the recent, constant flood of injuries abates long enough to score a 5th WS in the last 20+ years.
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