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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 6, 2024 13:20:17 GMT -5
Mike Sando of the Athletic has an interesting column where's he talked to multiple front office guys about the top 10 picks in the upcoming draft. A couple of excerpts that might interest Patriots fans: |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 6, 2024 13:23:08 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if this offseason is going to be about internal housekeeping.
Hopefully, they re-sign some of their better internal free agents and getting rid of the guys that don't fit into the future plans (which will cost space via dead money if it's who I hope). Add in a couple of extensions (Barmore, PLEASE) and a chunk of that space starts to go quickly.
More importantly, I'm not sure any good FAs will want to come here given our situation (poor season, questionable QB Situation, etc). Our main selling point is the D and whatever connections the new coaching staff can use for recruiting. Otherwise, we're probably talking massive overpays to get guys and I'm not sure that makes sense given the current state of things.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 6, 2024 13:53:00 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if this offseason is going to be about internal housekeeping. Hopefully, they re-sign some of their better internal free agents and getting rid of the guys that don't fit into the future plans (which will cost space via dead money if it's who I hope). Add in a couple of extensions (Barmore, PLEASE) and a chunk of that space starts to go quickly. More importantly, I'm not sure any good FAs will want to come here given our situation (poor season, questionable QB Situation, etc). Our main selling point is the D and whatever connections the new coaching staff can use for recruiting. Otherwise, we're probably talking massive overpays to get guys and I'm not sure that makes sense given the current state of things. Although writers are often pushing this narrative (Chad Graf wrote a lazy article this week on such), I can't recall a time when a top FA rejected a similar, or better, guaranteed offer to play for More Favorable Team A vs. Less Favorable Team B. Heck, the biggest $$ FA deal ever was signed by the perennial moribund Cleveland franchise -- who has ever wanted to play there? Maybe my memory or awareness is poor but it seems to me NFL Free Agency is finding the best paying gig as quickly as possible because, like an expensive game of musical chairs, the money gets spent quickly and nobody wants to be left without a seat. Rightly, or wrongly, I have zero worries about attracting "good" players. Now identifying them, that's another story. |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 6, 2024 15:19:19 GMT -5
Also football teams can change really fast. Look at the Texans, after years of disfunction, hit on coach, hit on QB, a few key mid-range pickups, and internal development and now you'd rather be them than 25 other teams. I'd never consider punting on an NFL season when you have cap space and (a path to) a QB.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 6, 2024 15:25:34 GMT -5
Chris Simms names his Top 6 QBs in the 2024 Draft:
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 6, 2024 15:43:45 GMT -5
Chris Simms names his Top 6 QBs in the 2024 Draft: /photo/1 God bless Chris Simms. He's really committed to trolling the Patriots at every possible juncture. |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 6, 2024 15:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Mar 6, 2024 16:17:31 GMT -5
Definitely not with him on Nix being that high |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 7, 2024 9:17:13 GMT -5
But I'm not saying that they'd be taking a lesser offer. As I said above, the Patriots would have to overpay (my use of the word "massive" may have been excessive).
I guess my thought process is that the Patriots 100M in space (now in the high 80s depending on what happens following Dugger's tag) isn't that useful to an INDIVIDUAL free agent. MOST teams (including the contenders) will have enough room (or can make it) to sign ONE big time FA. So most likely, each individual FA (at the top of the list) will be comparing similar offers from teams. Given that, it WILL likely come down to "more favorable team". Maybe NE will have a leg up in some cases (maybe Wilkins wants to return to the area).
Now after the first rush of signings, some teams might not be able to make multiple moves, while the Patriots will. So NE may have an advantage when it comes to FAs in the 2nd, 3rd (and beyond) tiers. But then NE may be comparing those players to their in-house candidates anyway (FAs or extensions).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 7, 2024 11:38:36 GMT -5
Chris Simms last four QB rankings leave you shaking your head most years. 2020 his best year and made better by Loves good year. Though he's the only one to likely Rank Love over Tua. Still a ways to go for that to be right.
2021 he ranks Zach Wilson #1 over Lawrence, again he basically alone doing that. Saying he thinks Wilson is like Aaron Rodgers. Mac Jones #3, Kellen Mond #4, Fields #5 and Trey Lance #6. I'll give him credit for Lance, but that's about as bad as it gets for a so called QB expert. Kellen Mond is just garage, I watched a ton of his tape he was like Joe Milton with less arm strength.
2022 Matt Coral, Kenny Pickett, Malik Wllis, Sam Howell and Desmond Ridder. It's a bad class, but again it's not good for him unless something drastic happens in coming years. The two best QBs might be his 4th and 5th players. I won't harp much about not naming Purdy, but a lot of players have been better, like Zappe also.
2023 CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Hendon Hooker, Anthony Richardson and DTR/ Will Levis at #5. Okay it's early, give him credit for Stroud over Young, but a lot of people had that. He's again alone with Hooker #3 and DTR at 5 with Will Levis is another crazy pick. I liked DTR, Hall and Tune as developmental prospects, nothing on tape showed they were better than Will Levis.
I watched a 15 minute clip with him explaining his choices and it just leaves me shaking my head. I see he has a 2 hour podcast up, maybe that helps explain things better. I'll listen when I have the time. I agree it's an epic class, I certainly agree Williams is special. He's just overlooking things. Says Daniels will be 2nd best running QB to Fields, overtaking Jackson as a rookie. That's a very bold statement given Daniels body and the way he runs. Yeah it's special, he's also skinny. Zero talk about how when things breakdown he almost always runs. The fact he had two stud WRs or how it's his only good year. Nix he says don't blame the player for the offense and plays the coaches call. No talk about how that skill set of short passes and bombs will translate to NFL? McCarthy wasn't doing just a bunch of short passes, well that's not true against ranked teams. That's exactly what he did. With Maye a bunch of what he says his true, but he doesn't add context or talk about his 2022 tape. Maye crap OL that good teams good dominate. Lost Josh Downs and Green, got Walker. Walker tanked at senior Bowl. His team had a bad defense, repeatedly asking him to put up big points without the talent for him to do it, like he had in 2022 after his top 2 WR got drafted. Kinda hard to look great when your top WR is a deep treat that isn't crazy elite. I come away impressed how good he made Walker look. He's way better than the group above him minus Williams in his 2nd and 3rd years. He's not going to look crazy polished compared to guys with 5 and 6 years of college experience. Nevermind those teams all had better talent on offense and defense to help those QBs. You have to adjust for those things. He's trying to do too much to help his team win games because they lack the talent for him to play it safe like McCarthy. The results overall were rather good. I'm on record saying he shouldn't start game one.
He loved Josh Allen, even says he was raw, which the tape clearly showed, but he ranks him high. Then tears apart Maye who has some issues, all of these guys do, but they are way less than Josh Allen was. Doesn't like that his eyes are moving all over the place, well that's better than Fields and Daniels just locking on stud WRs. Nevermind why did that happen? No open WRs?
Nothing he says changes my mind on Maye.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 7, 2024 12:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 7, 2024 12:49:19 GMT -5
The top 3 QBs are good. I think people are getting hyper focused on the negatives because they want to hype their favorite choice. Drake Maye supposedly has terrible footwork. Jayden Daniels has a small frame. I have a feeling both guys will be fine in the NFL. Bench Drake for a year in favor of a veteran who has great footwork that can work with Maye. Maybe get Daniels on the program. Drake lost some weapons last year and tried to do too much, but he was still good. Just not awe inspiring. People are acting like he was terrible. If Maye's upside is Josh Allen then I'm all in on him. Trade up if you have to. I can be sold on JJ McCarthy as the 4th QB if there's a plan for him to get him some help and sit him for a year or 2.
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 7, 2024 13:52:53 GMT -5
Alex Austin back, and I'm very happy he is.
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Post by cdj on Mar 7, 2024 16:06:40 GMT -5
I thought he looked good, happy to have him back
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 7, 2024 16:40:34 GMT -5
This clip is an amazing recreation of the ZW Experience (should we add this guy (he does have toolz) for the minimum after he's cut?):
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 7, 2024 16:56:07 GMT -5
It's begun: Former 3rd round pick; age 26; 59 career starts:
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Post by cdj on Mar 7, 2024 18:15:33 GMT -5
This clip is an amazing recreation of the ZW Experience (should we add this guy (he does have toolz) for the minimum after he's cut?): Clock killin Zach wilson |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 7, 2024 18:28:23 GMT -5
Uggg. I hope this does not mean Onwenu is gone. Replacing Onwenu with Okorafor would be a HUGE downgrade. There is a reason PIT released him rather than pay him 8.75MM. He kind of sucks...umm modify that...he does suck. He was benched midway through last year in favor of Broderick Jones. If he is a 2MM backup plan, ok, he's better than Lowe but if they actually plan to start him...I pity the QB. Their tackle situation looks positively gruesome right now.
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Post by cdj on Mar 7, 2024 19:24:25 GMT -5
I asked my Steelers fan friend to rate him 1-10 and he gave him a 6
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 7, 2024 19:36:08 GMT -5
Uggg. I hope this does not mean Onwenu is gone. Replacing Onwenu with Okorafor would be a HUGE downgrade. There is a reason PIT released him rather than pay him 8.75MM. He kind of sucks...umm modify that...he does suck. He was benched midway through last year in favor of Broderick Jones. If he is a 2MM backup plan, ok, he's better than Lowe but if they actually plan to start him...I pity the QB. Their tackle situation looks positively gruesome right now. You mean for Pick #14 in last year's draft? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 8, 2024 0:26:31 GMT -5
It's good stuff, everyone looks at things differently. Big part is the offense your team runs and what you want. I don't fully agree, you never will. But yeah I'd say that's better than Chris Simms, just wish he had more time on each prospects. He jumps around and you don't get really a strength, weakness and overview in depth on every guy. Just watched every throw Maye makes versus Virginia, Clemson and Notre Dame two years ago. His talent sucks, so many drops it's not funny, especially that Virginia game. What jumps out, big time NFL throws into small windows all over his tape. Sees the field in the pocket and on the run. Clemson game is one of his worst, I think he's rather good. Clemson is blanketing his WR, dominating his OL. He's making NFL throws, has a very good arm, he just doesn't have enough NFL talent. He runs to run and runs to pass. Yeah he misses some throws, every QB does. Yeah his footwork can get a little messed up. I'm not worried. Stats say he got worse from year one to year 2, I don't think so. His talent did. While not close to Daniels running, he's very good and zero worries about it in NFL. I then go watch every pass Daniels versus Alabama. He's tiny, the size difference between these two OBs is massive. Maye looks like a TE, Daniels a WR. First thing that jumps out isn't his arm and big time throws, it's his big time running ability. He has much more time in the pocket and his OL isn't just completely destroyed by Alabama. Mayes arm talent is better, not even close. Daniels running is just special, but where's the run to pass? He takes off, it's almost 100% take it to house type stuff. He takes a monster hit in that game running and that will only get worse in NFL. He has the worst short ball throws among the two, he makes some NFL throws but not as many. Best passes are slants. To really love Daniels you have to love that his best trait in the NFL is running. While I'm not done with my rankings, so much time needed. One thing is now 100% crystal clear. Williams is my clear #1 and Maye is my clear #2, it's not even close. Daniels kinda reminds me of Kyle Murray and his arm isn't close to my favorite. Where do you rank his arm? Williams, Maye, Penix and Rattler all clearly have better arms. He literally might have the worst arm among the top 7 QBs, at best he's 5th. I don't see it, but like the guy said it's all what you are looking for. I'm not looking for a Fields or Jackson type QB and both those guys have better arms. The talk from the former OL guy how you want to see guys struggle is right on. I want to see that. That's why I place a huge premium on the big games against top competition. Right now I like everyone's tape in those games over Daniels. Even Rattler is showing me more arm talent and big time NFL throws. Rattler biggest issue being he's a gun slinger and just like the podcast said you question his touch and leading guys on shorter throws. I get Jamie Winston/Drew Bledsoe vibes. The good is great, the bad might take most of the good away. He's just so hard because his talent was so bad. Sorry for the rant, but those podcasts got my all pumped up. Good share! |
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Post by cdj on Mar 8, 2024 10:51:49 GMT -5
Looks like Hunter Henry is back
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Post by mobaz on Mar 8, 2024 10:59:26 GMT -5
Looks like Hunter Henry is back 3/27. They really are gonna run this all back and just blame everything on BB and Mac! (I'm fine with Henry deal) |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 8, 2024 11:29:52 GMT -5
Looks like Hunter Henry is back 3/27. They really are gonna run this all back and just blame everything on BB and Mac! (I'm fine with Henry deal) It’s a solid contract and there were no other TEs available really so a necessary one to boot. |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 8, 2024 11:37:21 GMT -5
Henry 3yrs 27mm. Dont know how much is guaranteed yet. Even so...given how weak the FA class was and how weak the draft class is (after Bowers) I like this deal. Maybe they overpaid a bit, but they have $, and there were not a lot of good options. For comparion, Schultz got 3yrs 36mm with 23.5 guaranteed.
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