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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 11, 2024 6:24:48 GMT -5
Russell Wilson to the Steelers (lol) And that's the end of that chapter. 1 year, 1.2 million (league minimum). Wilson was slated to meet 3 teams (Pittsburgh, Falcons and Raiders) but signed immediately. They're saying they'll compete, but given how quickly Wilson signed I'm guessing he was promised the job. So the Steelers are clearly not enamored to Pickett, Rudolph is likely gone and Wilson will get his chance to prove he's still a starter. For the Patriots, it's Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garapollo, Jacoby Brissett, Joe Flacco or Bailey Zappe if they don't take a QB at 3. |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 11, 2024 7:49:34 GMT -5
So what do people want the Patriots to do in free agency? Depending which list you look at 10 out of 14 top free agents have signed or been franchised. A few more could sign before free agency even opens. I'd focus on Onwenu, then likely lower level deals on offense, Bourne types. It's a horrible free agent class on offense right now. Focus on the depth of very good defenders and finally take our D to elite status. Though I'd make a run at LT Smith. Then go full on offense during the draft. Also it might be good to get a new kicker. Chase McManus or Greg Zuerlein would be good choices. McManus is 8 years younger but Zuerlein does kickoffs as well. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 8:41:14 GMT -5
Chris Board to be released.
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Post by cdj on Mar 11, 2024 8:50:19 GMT -5
Certainly seems like we’re gonna throw a bag at Ridley. I have mixed feelings about it
On one hand I think he’s more of a great #2 and he will get paid like a 1, on the other hand he will easily be our best WR and beggars can’t be choosers
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 9:07:50 GMT -5
So what do people want the Patriots to do in free agency? Depending which list you look at 10 out of 14 top free agents have signed or been franchised. A few more could sign before free agency even opens. I'd focus on Onwenu, then likely lower level deals on offense, Bourne types. It's a horrible free agent class on offense right now. Focus on the depth of very good defenders and finally take our D to elite status. Though I'd make a run at LT Smith. Then go full on offense during the draft. Internal Candidate Priorities: 1. Onwenu 2. Jennings 3. Wilson 4. Brown 5. Bryant (I'm not as sour on him as most - but to be clear, I'd want him paid like a backup) Externally, we all know the positional needs. If someone is going to tell me there is a better draftee than a FA, I'm not going to argue. I do think, even IF Onwenu is re-signed, they should go after another OT in Free Agency. Then if you're drafted OT (they really should get one) is ready early, then Mike moves back inside (where some believe he's better suited, regardless of his standing as best internal tackle candidate) with the FA and the Rookie sharing the T spots. I'm all over the place on WRs. We have Bourne and Douglas. I really feel like some space should be used to get rid of either Parker or JuJu (if not both). So the top 2, a rookie (maybe a pure X) and a Free Agent? Not sure if that's Ridley (seems to be the top candidate at this point) or not. Fascinated to see who the elite D player they want to bring in might end up being. An Edge? An interior guy (Wilkins)? |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 9:08:42 GMT -5
Tee Higgins has requested a trade following his franchise tag.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 9:14:03 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but a couple of "roster building" trends have either been reported on or speculated (and I'm guessing many will like it):
1. I think it was a MassLive article but it was from direct comments from Wolf. Their grading system for drafted players will be changing. Where BB liked to grade based on how a player fit into their system (leading to a smaller board that often was very misaligned with the "public boards"), the Patriots will now use more of a value-based system. My non-expert translation is that they want to draft the better players and figure out fit later (probably a lazy translation).
2. After Board's release, Taylor Kyles (and I've seen this elsewhere) is wondering if the new regime will spend as much (and dedicate roster spots) on pure ST players.
If these ae true, it's probably music to many of our ears.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 11, 2024 9:21:24 GMT -5
Tee Higgins has requested a trade following his franchise tag. I'd rather Higgins than Ridley but I'd rather spend money on Ridley than spend money AND draft capital on Higgins. Also I hate this and draft a damn wide receiver who's actually good plz thx. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 9:26:44 GMT -5
Not sure what the trade compensation difference would be but it seems like Aiyuk would be the better acquisition between the 2.
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Post by rasimon on Mar 11, 2024 9:43:36 GMT -5
Tee Higgins has requested a trade following his franchise tag. How about Parker + 6th for Tee |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 11, 2024 9:48:24 GMT -5
So what do people want the Patriots to do in free agency? Depending which list you look at 10 out of 14 top free agents have signed or been franchised. A few more could sign before free agency even opens. I'd focus on Onwenu, then likely lower level deals on offense, Bourne types. It's a horrible free agent class on offense right now. Focus on the depth of very good defenders and finally take our D to elite status. Though I'd make a run at LT Smith. Then go full on offense during the draft. Also it might be good to get a new kicker. Chase McLaughlin or Greg Zuerlein would be good choices. McLaughlin is 8 years younger but Zuerlein does kickoffs as well. Zuerlein gone. 8.4MM for 2years And McLaughlin gone |
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Post by rasimon on Mar 11, 2024 10:12:49 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Mar 11, 2024 10:51:14 GMT -5
I was worried about franchising Big Mike in case he was actually guard but apparently Guards cost $20m too... Based on how safety market has shifted, I'd rather switch to Onwenu. Too little too late. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 11, 2024 10:51:48 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but a couple of "roster building" trends have either been reported on or speculated (and I'm guessing many will like it): 1. I think it was a MassLive article but it was from direct comments from Wolf. Their grading system for drafted players will be changing. Where BB liked to grade based on how a player fit into their system (leading to a smaller board that often was very misaligned with the "public boards"), the Patriots will now use more of a value-based system. My non-expert translation is that they want to draft the better players and figure out fit later (probably a lazy translation). 2. After Board's release, Taylor Kyles (and I've seen this elsewhere) is wondering if the new regime will spend as much (and dedicate roster spots) on pure ST players.
If these ae true, it's probably music to many of our ears.It is not music to my ears. All teams have ST-specific players besides the punter, kicker, long-snapper. Some keep a returner too, which the Patriots have not since Gunnar (who, presumably, they hoped to develop as a DB). Some teams keep two kickers, one for kickoffs & one for FGs & extra points (the Colts did this for multiple years with Adam V). Slater & Schooler were ST only, and Board ended up being ST only, although in previous stops he had a LB role too. Maybe he would've chipped in here too, if needed. Former rotational safety Adrian Phillips ended up mostly ST but I believe that was due to his poor safety play in limited snaps than any grand design. Having three (mostly) ST players is not roster mismanagement. And a question I've asked before and not received an answer to: If not these three, what starters do you want running full speed down the field into collisions several times per game? I'm old enough to remember when Gronk got hurt on the extra point team & the same radio fools now calling for the elimination of ST players were then adamant that Gronk should not be taking those snaps. Again: if not him, who? There's only so many players allowed on a gameday roster. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 11:17:58 GMT -5
Dion Dawkins looks to be a free agent now (per himself).
EDIT - I guess he has weird ways of entertaining himself. He just signed an extension.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 11:19:49 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but a couple of "roster building" trends have either been reported on or speculated (and I'm guessing many will like it): 1. I think it was a MassLive article but it was from direct comments from Wolf. Their grading system for drafted players will be changing. Where BB liked to grade based on how a player fit into their system (leading to a smaller board that often was very misaligned with the "public boards"), the Patriots will now use more of a value-based system. My non-expert translation is that they want to draft the better players and figure out fit later (probably a lazy translation). 2. After Board's release, Taylor Kyles (and I've seen this elsewhere) is wondering if the new regime will spend as much (and dedicate roster spots) on pure ST players.
If these ae true, it's probably music to many of our ears.It is not music to my ears. All teams have ST-specific players besides the punter, kicker, long-snapper. Some keep a returner too, which the Patriots have not since Gunnar (who, presumably, they hoped to develop as a DB). Some teams keep two kickers, one for kickoffs & one for FGs & extra points (the Colts did this for multiple years with Adam V). Slater & Schooler were ST only, and Board ended up being ST only, although in previous stops he had a LB role too. Maybe he would've chipped in here too, if needed. Former rotational safety Adrian Phillips ended up mostly ST but I believe that was due to his poor safety play in limited snaps than any grand design. Having three (mostly) ST players is not roster mismanagement. And a question I've asked before and not received an answer to: If not these three, what starters do you want running full speed down the field into collisions several times per game? I'm old enough to remember when Gronk got hurt on the extra point team & the same radio fools now calling for the elimination of ST players were then adamant that Gronk should not be taking those snaps. Again: if not him, who? There's only so many players allowed on a gameday roster. I have no problem with 3. There are those who would argue they were closer to 5 in many years. Others would just say they were positional players who were very bad at their (non-special teams) positions. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 11, 2024 11:32:18 GMT -5
Dion Dawkins looks to be a free agent now (per himself). But now per Schefter he has an extension? Was he just messing with us?? |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 11, 2024 11:56:59 GMT -5
It is not music to my ears. All teams have ST-specific players besides the punter, kicker, long-snapper. Some keep a returner too, which the Patriots have not since Gunnar (who, presumably, they hoped to develop as a DB). Some teams keep two kickers, one for kickoffs & one for FGs & extra points (the Colts did this for multiple years with Adam V). Slater & Schooler were ST only, and Board ended up being ST only, although in previous stops he had a LB role too. Maybe he would've chipped in here too, if needed. Former rotational safety Adrian Phillips ended up mostly ST but I believe that was due to his poor safety play in limited snaps than any grand design. Having three (mostly) ST players is not roster mismanagement. And a question I've asked before and not received an answer to: If not these three, what starters do you want running full speed down the field into collisions several times per game? I'm old enough to remember when Gronk got hurt on the extra point team & the same radio fools now calling for the elimination of ST players were then adamant that Gronk should not be taking those snaps. Again: if not him, who? There's only so many players allowed on a gameday roster. I have no problem with 3. There are those who would argue they were closer to 5 in many years. Others would just say they were positional players who were very bad at their (non-special teams) positions. A role primarily on ST has been a development tool used to some advantage under BB. Due to injury Miles Bryant was able to step in this past year and contribute. He wasn't great, but he was a useful player in multiple roles they might not otherwise have had. Years past, Troy Brown & Julian Edelman emerged to fulltime offensive roles after making the team as ST players. How many titles without those two? Sure, some guys never develop but the folks griping about ST players usually want to keep extra "weapons" on the roster, like a sixth receiver or 4th running back is actually going to see the field on gameday. I might even argue in favor of more, not less, ST players. Do we really want a starting LB (75% PT) playing 360 ST snaps? Or Peppers and Duggar (210 between them) playing any, except in a pinch? Alright, on to FA & the draft -- plenty of time to debate roster construction in the summer. Carry on. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 12:18:15 GMT -5
So what do people want the Patriots to do in free agency? Depending which list you look at 10 out of 14 top free agents have signed or been franchised. A few more could sign before free agency even opens. I'd focus on Onwenu, then likely lower level deals on offense, Bourne types. It's a horrible free agent class on offense right now. Focus on the depth of very good defenders and finally take our D to elite status. Though I'd make a run at LT Smith. Then go full on offense during the draft. Internal Candidate Priorities: 1. Onwenu 2. Jennings 3. Wilson 4. Brown 5. Bryant (I'm not as sour on him as most - but to be clear, I'd want him paid like a backup) Externally, we all know the positional needs. If someone is going to tell me there is a better draftee than a FA, I'm not going to argue. I do think, even IF Onwenu is re-signed, they should go after another OT in Free Agency. Then if you're drafted OT (they really should get one) is ready early, then Mike moves back inside (where some believe he's better suited, regardless of his standing as best internal tackle candidate) with the FA and the Rookie sharing the T spots. I'm all over the place on WRs. We have Bourne and Douglas. I really feel like some space should be used to get rid of either Parker or JuJu (if not both). So the top 2, a rookie (maybe a pure X) and a Free Agent? Not sure if that's Ridley (seems to be the top candidate at this point) or not. Fascinated to see who the elite D player they want to bring in might end up being. An Edge? An interior guy (Wilkins)? I want no part of Bryant. You mean Brown the TE? Bad feeling Onwenu is gone, why didn't we use transition tag on him? The safety market is stacked, it was even before the recent cut players. That's the thing with signing Bourne, it basically takes away the other options at WR. Your need is a big X WR now, only one guy left on free agent market that's high end. Most of the rest are smaller slot and Z guys. Darnell Mooney is a cheaper option that excites me. What can he do with a better QB? Below him Donovan People-Jones. Seen a bunch of Noah Brown talk. Thinking draft might be best option for a true difference maker. I wouldn't do anything with Parker and Juju, let them compete in camp and see how things go. Now a lot could happen, say you sign an X and draft one, okay trade Parker which should be easy given his modest contract. Otherwise see how they do and if they suck cut them on cut down day. I do think both can be a lot better. We need running back depth, I would love to get Harris back if he's healthy. I miss his smash mouth style runs with his burst. I'd look at a veteran OG that can play both sides as insurance. Would love a fast LB. We need an edge rusher and I'd love another DT. With Wilkins, do you believe he's the pass rusher he was last year or his first 4 years? Good thing about Edge and DT, you have many different options. Bills AJ Epenesa is a young player just coming into his own at edge. I wouldn't rule out a CB |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 12:27:25 GMT -5
I have no problem with 3. There are those who would argue they were closer to 5 in many years. Others would just say they were positional players who were very bad at their (non-special teams) positions. A role primarily on ST has been a development tool used to some advantage under BB. Due to injury Miles Bryant was able to step in this past year and contribute. He wasn't great, but he was a useful player in multiple roles they might not otherwise have had. Years past, Troy Brown & Julian Edelman emerged to fulltime offensive roles after making the team as ST players. How many titles without those two? Sure, some guys never develop but the folks griping about ST players usually want to keep extra "weapons" on the roster, like a sixth receiver or 4th running back is actually going to see the field on gameday. I might even argue in favor of more, not less, ST players. Do we really want a starting LB (75% PT) playing 360 ST snaps? Or Peppers and Duggar (210 between them) playing any, except in a pinch? Alright, on to FA & the draft -- plenty of time to debate roster construction in the summer. Carry on. Troy Brown was a stud WR when Bill took over, Edelman made team as WR look at the targets and receptions versus returns. Myles Bryant made team as a DB. I'd say you're looking at the wrong players. Board just played 89% of special team snaps, those are special team only type guys, not someone playing 20%. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 11, 2024 12:31:22 GMT -5
Raiders just gave Christian Wilkins a giant bag
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 12:32:33 GMT -5
Yes, UMASS. I meant Pharaoh.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 12:54:58 GMT -5
I think one of the more underrated things is our two new OL coaches, they need to be good.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 12:56:20 GMT -5
Raiders just gave Christian Wilkins a giant bag He's only been that player for one year. If he repeats last year that's a good deal, if he goes back to his first four as an elite run stuffer and only okay pass rusher, that's a horrible deal. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 11, 2024 13:09:29 GMT -5
A role primarily on ST has been a development tool used to some advantage under BB. Due to injury Miles Bryant was able to step in this past year and contribute. He wasn't great, but he was a useful player in multiple roles they might not otherwise have had. Years past, Troy Brown & Julian Edelman emerged to fulltime offensive roles after making the team as ST players. How many titles without those two? Sure, some guys never develop but the folks griping about ST players usually want to keep extra "weapons" on the roster, like a sixth receiver or 4th running back is actually going to see the field on gameday. I might even argue in favor of more, not less, ST players. Do we really want a starting LB (75% PT) playing 360 ST snaps? Or Peppers and Duggar (210 between them) playing any, except in a pinch? Alright, on to FA & the draft -- plenty of time to debate roster construction in the summer. Carry on. Troy Brown was a stud WR when Bill took over, Edelman made team as WR look at the targets and receptions versus returns. Myles Bryant made team as a DB. I'd say you're looking at the wrong players. Board just played 89% of special team snaps, those are special team only type guys, not someone playing 20%. His 1st four years in the league combined, Jules had less than 700 yards receiving total. Troy Brown was cut 8 times, the definition of a fringe ST guy. Before he was a "stud WR" for Bill he carved a role as a ST ace for the other Bill. Like Jules he had limited receiving production his 1st four year -- about 400 total yards. Myles Bryant has indeed spent more time as DB than ST. I also spelled his name wrong. A reminder it is always the superior practice to look up 1st, speak 2nd. |
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