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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 11, 2024 13:11:26 GMT -5
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Mar 11, 2024 13:40:24 GMT -5
Kirk Cousins to Falcons*
* which makes me reach for my phone as a very good friend is a Falcons diehard -- loves them Falcons & represents them fearlessly at all my annual draft parties (even after 28-3) -- but last week he died unexpectedly, suddenly, so no longer can I just text on a whim or call if there's a bit of news, I can only think, "He'd like this," or not & hope he's doing well wherever, and wonder how long until I stop reaching for my phone?
RIP Michael.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 13:46:23 GMT -5
Antonio Gibson to the Pats.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 11, 2024 13:51:58 GMT -5
So, are we all OK now with taking either Maye or Daniels now at 3? The best veteran available is who, Jimmy Garapollo?
I think dreams of MHJ just died.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 13:55:42 GMT -5
Troy Brown was a stud WR when Bill took over, Edelman made team as WR look at the targets and receptions versus returns. Myles Bryant made team as a DB. I'd say you're looking at the wrong players. Board just played 89% of special team snaps, those are special team only type guys, not someone playing 20%. His 1st four years in the league combined, Jules had less than 700 yards receiving total. Troy Brown was cut 8 times, the definition of a fringe ST guy. Before he was a "stud WR" for Bill he carved a role as a ST ace for the other Bill. Like Jules he had limited receiving production his 1st four year -- about 400 total yards. Myles Bryant has indeed spent more time as DB than ST. I also spelled his name wrong. A reminder it is always the superior practice to look up 1st, speak 2nd. Lol so Thornton is a special team player for you? You know because he has like 300 yards in two seasons? We're talking core special team players under Bill Belichick, your list doesn't include a single one. That was always a huge complaint of mine, use guys like Bolden drafted last year at CB. He usually kept 5 and most had no upside to become more. Keep a couple, then fill the rest with young guys deep down depth charts that have upside. I listed Bolden because he was a great returner and a great athlete, he should be a good special teams player and he has good upside at CB. We could have used him last year. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 14:00:18 GMT -5
If there decision making at the #3 pick has anything to do with what was available on the FA market, I'm going to be incredibly disappointed.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 14:11:19 GMT -5
So, are we all OK now with taking either Maye or Daniels now at 3? The best veteran available is who, Jimmy Garapollo? I think dreams of MHJ just died. Take Harrison Jr., then take a QB in the 2nd or trade back up into the first has to be an option on the table. Trade for Howell, Ridder or Fields. Less likely is they love a lower round like Rattler. Still a ton of options. I'd also say guys like Brissett, Minsew and Tannehill are also options at QB. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 14:12:31 GMT -5
Antonio Gibson to the Pats. I like it and you can tell it's a different team, Bill likely wants no part of him given his fumbles. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 11, 2024 14:28:05 GMT -5
Love the Gibson signing. Good receiver, improved pass blocker
Him and Stevenson should be a powerful duo
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Post by rasimon on Mar 11, 2024 14:37:15 GMT -5
Holy cow...Robert Hunt 5yrs/100MM
Onwenu is in the drivers seat
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 11, 2024 14:49:25 GMT -5
So, are we all OK now with taking either Maye or Daniels now at 3? The best veteran available is who, Jimmy Garapollo? I think dreams of MHJ just died. Just so I'm following, were you suggesting we might be in the mix for Cousins, or responding to the $$ that Cousins got as an indicator of what other vet QBs could receive? Because I'm still very good with a Wolfpack reunion with Brissett. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 14:49:27 GMT -5
Patriots releasing Parker.
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Post by rasimon on Mar 11, 2024 14:58:05 GMT -5
Antonio Gibson to the Pats. Mike Reiss say 3yrs Base 11.25 Max 17.25 |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 11, 2024 15:04:43 GMT -5
So, are we all OK now with taking either Maye or Daniels now at 3? The best veteran available is who, Jimmy Garapollo? I think dreams of MHJ just died. Take Harrison Jr., then take a QB in the 2nd or trade back up into the first has to be an option on the table. Trade for Howell, Ridder or Fields. Less likely is they love a lower round like Rattler. Still a ton of options. I'd also say guys like Brissett, Minsew and Tannehill are also options at QB. I don't think you're winning very many games with Minshew and MHJ, but I guess the theory here is that you're hoping a non-first round QB develops which is much riskier than an early 1st rounder. I think that's a much better play if you're taking Cousins or Mayfield. I don't think you go this route with Brissett, Garapollo or Minshew. These are guys you get to compete with a 1st round QB. So, are we all OK now with taking either Maye or Daniels now at 3? The best veteran available is who, Jimmy Garapollo? I think dreams of MHJ just died. Just so I'm following, were you suggesting we might be in the mix for Cousins, or responding to the $$ that Cousins got as an indicator of what other vet QBs could receive? Because I'm still very good with a Wolfpack reunion with Brissett. I'm suggesting that with Cousins, Wilson, and Mayfield off the board that the Patriots are going to be picking a QB early. I don't think they're trading back and risking their target guy being scooped by another team. I would be OK with either a Maye/Garapollo or Daniels/Brissett combination. I'm more confident that they're taking a QB with the 3rd pick. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 11, 2024 15:06:32 GMT -5
Patriots releasing Parker. That's one useless WR gone, but surprised. Isn't it costing them more to cut him? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 15:13:34 GMT -5
Cutting Parker saves you like $140,000. It makes no sense, teams trading for him only his $3.2 base salary is guaranteed, rest is per game bonuses and workout bonuses. Why wouldn't you just keep him for depth in case an injury happens? We don't need a roster spot and you save no money.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 11, 2024 15:16:50 GMT -5
Cutting Parker saves you like $140,000. It makes no sense, teams trading for him only his $3.2 base salary is guaranteed, rest is per game bonuses and workout bonuses. Why wouldn't you just keep him for depth in case an injury happens? We don't need a roster spot and you save no money. Addition by subtraction if he's not producing and they don't like his attitude. Broncos are tanking 85 million for Wilson to play for Pittsburgh when they don't have a good alternative. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 15:18:24 GMT -5
Take Harrison Jr., then take a QB in the 2nd or trade back up into the first has to be an option on the table. Trade for Howell, Ridder or Fields. Less likely is they love a lower round like Rattler. Still a ton of options. I'd also say guys like Brissett, Minsew and Tannehill are also options at QB. I don't think you're winning very many games with Minshew and MHJ, but I guess the theory here is that you're hoping a non-first round QB develops which is much riskier than an early 1st rounder. I think that's a much better play if you're taking Cousins or Mayfield. I don't think you go this route with Brissett, Garapollo or Minshew. These are guys you get to compete with a 1st round QB. Just so I'm following, were you suggesting we might be in the mix for Cousins, or responding to the $$ that Cousins got as an indicator of what other vet QBs could receive? Because I'm still very good with a Wolfpack reunion with Brissett. I'm suggesting that with Cousins, Wilson, and Mayfield off the board that the Patriots are going to be picking a QB early. I don't think they're trading back and risking their target guy being scooped by another team. I would be OK with either a Maye/Garapollo or Daniels/Brissett combination. I'm more confident that they're taking a QB with the 3rd pick. There's a ton of options, as I talked about, not just one. It's about what you think the right player is and best value is at #3. Not your take a QB at #3 no matter what. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 11, 2024 15:19:39 GMT -5
Parker doesn’t stay healthy himself and looked bad on some picks, I’m sure reliability is a big factor in the decision. Seems like purely a football decision
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 15:21:46 GMT -5
Cutting Parker saves you like $140,000. It makes no sense, teams trading for him only his $3.2 base salary is guaranteed, rest is per game bonuses and workout bonuses. Why wouldn't you just keep him for depth in case an injury happens? We don't need a roster spot and you save no money. Addition by subtraction if he's not producing and they don't like his attitude. Broncos are tanking 85 million for Wilson to play for Pittsburgh when they don't have a good alternative. Wilson is not even close to the same, go look at his contract. Keeping him meant the next year became guaranteed. It was either move on or keep he till end of the contract. Have you actually heard anything about his attitude or are you just making up stuff? If that's true okay, I haven't heard anything bad about him. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 15:26:23 GMT -5
Obviously we want next year to be a lot better than the past years. But their decision at #3 needs to impact the next 5-10. A free agent signing, outside of "maybe" Baker, has a much more limited window on it.
It would be such a mistake to say "Well we need a QB for next year and the guy we get at #3 is better than any free agent/trade options so . . . QB it is". Even if there is a guy worthy in that range.
As a matter of fact, there is an argument that for next year, there are a multiple QB options in the market that will give you a better chance in the short term. But it's not just about that.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 15:27:32 GMT -5
Who pumped all the air into Tyquan Thornton???
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Post by texs31 on Mar 11, 2024 15:31:44 GMT -5
I really hope nobody plans on connecting the dots between TT finally looking like a football player and ANY offseason decision New England plans on making. Just saw the post and was shocked at how big he looks now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 11, 2024 15:44:19 GMT -5
Thornton biggest issue wasn't his strength, it's he can't run routes and drops. In College his speed alone got him open all game long, that's not true in the NFL. Also while he's fast, he doesn't have that 2nd gear to run under deep passes like great deep threats do.
If he wants to be an NFL WR, it's all about improving his route running. He ran maybe the worst route last year I've ever seen and it was a simple sideline out play.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Mar 11, 2024 15:49:38 GMT -5
Addition by subtraction if he's not producing and they don't like his attitude. Broncos are tanking 85 million for Wilson to play for Pittsburgh when they don't have a good alternative. Wilson is not even close to the same, go look at his contract. Keeping him meant the next year became guaranteed. It was either move on or keep he till end of the contract. Have you actually heard anything about his attitude or are you just making up stuff? If that's true okay, I haven't heard anything bad about him. It was more "if they feel that way" kind of thing. I do remember hearing something about Parker missing a big catch and being rather aloof about it, but it's so far down memory lane it borderlines making it up. I don't think they cut him just to save 100k though. Either it was his attitude and performance or they thought his performance wasn't worth keeping him around regardless of any savings. |
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