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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 11:51:13 GMT -5
My late round TE sleeper is Erik All, injury concerns but has been productive at both Michigan and Iowa. Pure receiving type TE type.
If you want a late round blocker AJ Barner and Brevyn Spann-Ford. I've seen both described as best blockers in this class, but there isn't any agreements on that as a bunch of players have been called that. Just guys rated to go late 6th to 7th/undrafted.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 14:15:52 GMT -5
For those who care about such things, Onwenu will be announcing NE's 2nd Rd pick tomorrow night.
With Troy Vincent set to announce their 2nd (he's running the draft so will announce for any team not having a Legend or Active player announcing) I would imagine they just have Onwenu announce their 3rd if NE should happen to move back up into the 1st tonight.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 15:07:51 GMT -5
Not going to do my own mock but, after aggregating a bunch of other mocks (from the various ESPN, CBS, NFL reporters as well as Brugler - 17 mocks in total) and reading up on some intel from those (and other "reputable" outlets) here's what seems to be going on (with all the caveats and grains of salt that are required):
1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
3. Patriots - Drake Maye (both the consensus in the referenced mocks as well as comments by Perry, Breer, etc) suggest that this is their guy and they are unlikely to move (sans a Godfather offer). The question is what happens if Washington takes Maye. Would they take Daniels? Take McCarthy? Trade down?
4. Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr.
5. Chargers - This seems to be the prime spot for our first trade with a team looking to move up for the last of the top 4 QBs. What's interesting is that some of the mocks have LAC taking JC Latham as the 1st tackle off the board. Would make more sense at, say 11. So let's say Minny moves up for McCarthy (giving up 11 and 25).
6. Giants - Assuming they can't move up (and it sounds like they would target Maye), mocks suggest they like Nabers
7. Titans - If Alt gets past Chargers, he likely goes here.
8. Atlanta - Another interesting turning point for the draft? They are poised to get the best defensive player on the board but some are split on whether (for them) that's Turner or Byron Murphy II (who has come up a bunch here). Could they trade down (maybe with someone who wants to get ahead of Chicago or NYJ for one of the last upper echelon skill players in Odunze or Bowers)? Let's stick with the board and say they take Turner here but keep an eye out.
9. Bears - If the draft goes as above, Odunze (who some believe is only a hair behind Nabers and 1 1/2 behind MHJ) falls into their lap. Otherwise, they could go D.
10. Jets - The "consensus" suggest Bowers but have heard/read about WR.
11. Chargers - Could still get 2nd best OT. As stated above, they have interest in Latham (keeping Slater at LT).
12. Broncos- Some Denver and Nix connections but would they really take him at 12 (some say yes) or trade back and get him later in 1st. Seems like another trade spot (maybe someone coming up to get their choice of CB). Otherwise, they could go D themselves.
13. Raiders- Strong LVR and Penix connection with rumors that they would take him at 13.
14. Saints - At this point in the draft, it's not often you get such a "consensus" on a Team/Player/Spot connection but a lot of Fashanu here based on the referenced mocks.
15 - Colts with the last team for this exercise (don't want to through them all) I'll just say there is talk they want to move up for a WR. These mocks also suggest it's a worst case scenario for Bowers.
That's probably enough on pick by pick stuff. 2 other Team/Player connections coming from this exercise are Green Bay and Cooper DeJean and AD Mitchell and Buffalo (who definitely seem to target a WR).
Some other commentary about OT and WR (since NE would likely want one of those at their next pick:
Thomas seems a lock as 1st with Mitchell likely as well. Worthy (is he an X?) about 50% likely gone. The other WRs that NE could target using their 2nd pick (or a trade up) include McConkey, Coleman and Legette. Otherwise, are we looking at later in the draft?
As to OT, there will likely be a run. Alt, Fashanu and Latham have already been discussed. Fautanu (maybe a T) and Fuaga seem likely to be Top 20. Mims and Guyton seem to bottom out as late 1st rounders. So if NE wants of these guys, it's likely gonna need a trade up. Suamataia, Paul (late riser), Morgan and Rosengarten are next best?
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2024 17:06:37 GMT -5
My examples are every good tight end in the league. You’d be less likely to come up with a single example of a poor athletic tester at tight end becoming an above average starter in today’s NFL. So Reiman is worth a dart throw. Edit: your best example is probably Mark Andrews, who ran a 4.67 at 6’5 256. So you have not one example to back up your claims? I just checked a bunch of the top TEs, they all had very good to great production in College. Hunter Henry 4.79 40 is a top ten TE in the NFL production wise if he has a good QB throwing to him. Edit. Zach Ertz 4.76 and Ben Coates 4.95 lol Ben Coates? You silly little goose. Mark Andrews was your best example, and even he had a 7.6 RAS. My examples are pretty much all the best tight ends. The examples of elite testers include Kittle, Kelce, Gronk etc. They all are great testers with better production in the pros. And that will be all on this topic from me. I like Erick All btw |
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2024 17:18:48 GMT -5
Drake Maye ‘about to feed a whole lotta families in Foxborough
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Post by rasimon on Apr 25, 2024 17:27:31 GMT -5
My late round TE sleeper is Erik All, injury concerns but has been productive at both Michigan and Iowa. Pure receiving type TE type. If you want a late round blocker AJ Barner and Brevyn Spann-Ford. I've seen both described as best blockers in this class, but there isn't any agreements on that as a bunch of players have been called that. Just guys rated to go late 6th to 7th/undrafted. I have strong feelings on this subject, as I used to play TE in HS (badly I would add). (1) TE is a hybrid position. You need to be able to both block and receive. Obviously, players have different balances of the two skill sets, but if a TE sucks at blocking, and he is only going to be used for receiving, then you might as well just put a WR the field. Similarly, if a TE sucks at receiving, and he is only going to be used for blocking, then you might as well just put another OT on the field. (2) the PFF blocking grades for TEs can be a bit deceiving. You have to know who the TE is being asked to block. Unlike other positions, a TE could be regularly asked to block 180 lb defensive backs, or 230 lb LBs, or 270 lb DEs. Of this years TEs: Brock Bowers - excellent receiver. Best YAC guy in the draft. As a blocker, he absolutely mauls DBs and LBs. He is a bit small to handle DEs but he does as well as a 240 lber could possibly do against a DE. I am "wicked pissed" we have so many other needs this year. He would be so much fun to have around for the next decade. JaTavion Sanders - not a blocker Ben Sinnott - a 2nd (or maybe 3rd) rate Brock Bowers. Same strengths and weaknesses (size) but less so. He is good against DBs and LBs and at least puts up a fight against DEs. HE would be ok. Cade Stover - excellent hands but not a great separator. He regularly faces DEs and does a good job. He would be ok. Theo Johnson - not sure. Have not watched his tape. lower round TEs Tip Reiman - big. Good blocker. He can face DEs. At the combine, he did very well in the movement tests. He doesn't look that athletic on the field. Was not used much as a receiver. Might possibly be ok. A.J. Barner - he is a good blocker and can handle DEs. He was not used that much as a receiver. Only 249 yards this year and 99 of those were in one game. Combine was not impressive. Brevyn Spann-Ford - he is big, but not usable as a receiver. This year: 26% drop rate. 28% contested catch rate. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 18:27:15 GMT -5
So you have not one example to back up your claims? I just checked a bunch of the top TEs, they all had very good to great production in College. Hunter Henry 4.79 40 is a top ten TE in the NFL production wise if he has a good QB throwing to him. Edit. Zach Ertz 4.76 and Ben Coates 4.95 lol Ben Coates? You silly little goose. Mark Andrews was your best example, and even he had a 7.6 RAS. My examples are pretty much all the best tight ends. The examples of elite testers include Kittle, Kelce, Gronk etc. They all are great testers with better production in the pros. And that will be all on this topic from me. I like Erick All btw This started as elite athleticism matters more than production for NFL success. Then it's good TE, now the best ones lol What are you even saying now? The conversation completely shifted. I don't disagree that if you want an elite or best TE you want a good athlete, but he needs good production also. Henry isn't close to an elite TE, but he's had a ton of NFL success and he's not close to an elite athlete. There's more like him, as you bring up Mark Andrews. There are no elite or best TEs that had Reiman production in College, it's why you can't give a single example. The best example, who's a unicorn is Kittle and his production was still way better. If you want an elite TE, athletic ability and production both matter! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 25, 2024 18:35:29 GMT -5
My late round TE sleeper is Erik All, injury concerns but has been productive at both Michigan and Iowa. Pure receiving type TE type. If you want a late round blocker AJ Barner and Brevyn Spann-Ford. I've seen both described as best blockers in this class, but there isn't any agreements on that as a bunch of players have been called that. Just guys rated to go late 6th to 7th/undrafted. I have strong feelings on this subject, as I used to play TE in HS (badly I would add). (1) TE is a hybrid position. You need to be able to both block and receive. Obviously, players have different balances of the two skill sets, but if a TE sucks at blocking, and he is only going to be used for receiving, then you might as well just put a WR the field. Similarly, if a TE sucks at receiving, and he is only going to be used for blocking, then you might as well just put another OT on the field. (2) the PFF blocking grades for TEs can be a bit deceiving. You have to know who the TE is being asked to block. Unlike other positions, a TE could be regularly asked to block 180 lb defensive backs, or 230 lb LBs, or 270 lb DEs. Of this years TEs: Brock Bowers - excellent receiver. Best YAC guy in the draft. As a blocker, he absolutely mauls DBs and LBs. He is a bit small to handle DEs but he does as well as a 240 lber could possibly do against a DE. I am "wicked pissed" we have so many other needs this year. He would be so much fun to have around for the next decade. JaTavion Sanders - not a blocker Ben Sinnott - a 2nd (or maybe 3rd) rate Brock Bowers. Same strengths and weaknesses (size) but less so. He is good against DBs and LBs and at least puts up a fight against DEs. HE would be ok. Cade Stover - excellent hands but not a great separator. He regularly faces DEs and does a good job. He would be ok. Theo Johnson - not sure. Have not watched his tape. lower round TEs Tip Reiman - big. Good blocker. He can face DEs. At the combine, he did very well in the movement tests. He doesn't look that athletic on the field. Was not used much as a receiver. Might possibly be ok. A.J. Barner - he is a good blocker and can handle DEs. He was not used that much as a receiver. Only 249 yards this year and 99 of those were in one game. Combine was not impressive. Brevyn Spann-Ford - he is big, but not usable as a receiver. This year: 26% drop rate. 28% contested catch rate. I don't agree, heck I'd say most TE in NFL aren't both good receivers and blockers. Plenty of great, good and even average guys had long careers basically being one or the other. You just better be really good at receiving or blocking if that's all you do. Just receiver TE go higher, just blockers should be low picks. You don't put a WR on the field over just a receiving TE because you want the mismatch. CBs can't cover huge TEs, so you get them on safeties and LBers. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 25, 2024 19:20:53 GMT -5
Caleb Williams went first?! No way!
Why doesn't the first overall have a 10 second clock?
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 25, 2024 19:22:57 GMT -5
Come on Washington. COME ON.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 19:25:54 GMT -5
Come on Washington. COME ON. Daniels it is |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 25, 2024 19:26:55 GMT -5
ALL TIME CLUTCH MOVE, COME ON BABY.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 25, 2024 19:27:47 GMT -5
I think I’m going to die. Oh my God!
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Post by mobaz on Apr 25, 2024 19:28:13 GMT -5
Thank God! Be smart, Wolf/Mayo/Krafts!
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2024 19:28:48 GMT -5
I can’t believe Drake Maye is falling to NE.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 25, 2024 19:30:31 GMT -5
Happy Maye Day!!!
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 25, 2024 19:31:30 GMT -5
I think I’m going to cry. We made it guys! We made it!
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 25, 2024 19:33:46 GMT -5
Feel like pats got a good one there with maye but we'll see.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 25, 2024 19:34:27 GMT -5
He doesn't look 223 lbs
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 25, 2024 19:35:18 GMT -5
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 25, 2024 19:35:30 GMT -5
Mobile Justin Herbert. That’s who we got.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2024 19:37:50 GMT -5
Drake Maye is both incredibly confident and humble.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 25, 2024 19:38:15 GMT -5
LFG they did the right thing just watched the GOAT break him down too.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 25, 2024 19:39:19 GMT -5
This is my very amateur scouting report of Drake Maye.
Drake Maye
Floor Comp: Blake Bortles with a fastball
Ceiling Comp: John Elway
Scheme dependent: No
The Tape:
Plays like he’s on a sandlot. Footwork and mechanics are a mess, but was typically the best athlete on the field in the ACC. Big throw merchant who can get preoccupied by tight windows and timing. That said, he regularly makes all the NFL throws. Can throw 60 yard bombs while barely moving his feet. Dangerous runner with surprising elusiveness and long speed for a player his size. Most UNC games are littered with Maye making big time NFL throws and missing NFL gimmes. Unafraid to throw the middle of the field. Often becomes more accurate the less open his receiver is.
Advanced Stats:
Due to some accuracy issues, Maye currently grades out better as a runner (where he’s elite) than as a passer (where he’s only above average to good). His heat maps show that he struggles throwing to the outside of the field, but is very good in the intermediate middle. This jives with his surprising lack of accuracy on curls, outs and screens.
My thoughts:
The team that wins the Super Bowl is typically the team with an elite quarterback. Maye’s ceiling is only rivaled by Caleb Williams in this draft class.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 25, 2024 19:43:30 GMT -5
This is my very amateur scouting report of Drake Maye. Pretty much spot on how I view him. His throwing mechanics are not ideal, but the fact he was so good while being raw is just crazy. His delivery will improve. I love his demeanor and how BIG he plays. That arm is positively INSANE. |
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