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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by costpet on Apr 27, 2024 10:12:31 GMT -5
Someday I'd like to see some team name Mel Kiper as their GM. Then we'll see how good he is. Personally, I can't stand him.
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Post by rasimon on Apr 27, 2024 10:31:46 GMT -5
Round 4 should bring us a TE, either Sanders or Stover. After that a S or CB. Lots of calls to Kickers after the draft. ESPN said that our win rate on pass protection was last in the league. Wow, I didn't realize that it was that bad. No wonder Mac had happy feet. Wolf using the GB playbook. I guess that's good. Better than BB's. Yes, the Pats sucked in pass protection last year. Our IOL, as measured by a simple (Pressures/600 PassSnaps), was not good. 600 PassSnaps is approximately one year. I discussed that in a post above along with some possible draft upgrades. With respect to OTs, I assumed MOnwenu and TBrown were good, that their backups sucked, and that COkorafur was also not good. That's not quite correct...Below is (Pressures/600 PassSnaps) for last year. What do good OTs look like: TWilliams 25, PSewell 18, CDarrisaw 29, TSmith 20 OK so for OTs it looks like (Pressures/600 PassSnaps) of 20-25 is very good, although it probably depends at least a bit on the QB. Last Years Pats OTs: TBrown 29, MOnwenu 27, VLowe 79, CAnderson 49, CMcDermott 58 So Brown and Onwenu were pretty good and their backups were dreadful - which confirms observations. How much will we lose by replacing Brown with Okoafur? COkorafur last year: 24 I did not expect that. Is that possibly a figment of the Steelers QBs? I would be surprised. Steelers other OTs: BJones 48, DMoore 79 No. ChuckO was actually very good in pass protection last year. That is surprising. Has he always been this good? Year...PassSnaps...(Pressures/600 PassSnaps) 2023......272..........24 2022......686..........36 2021......683..........20 2020......682..........23 2019.......44..........54 2018.......76..........39 Yes. At least in years when he has played a significant number of PassSnaps he has been very good. Well not so great in 2022 - but not awful. If ChuckO can stay on the field better than TBrown did, and more importantly keep the bench guys off the field, that could actually be a big upgrade. How about the OT draft prospects? Top draft OT prospects: AMims 4, JAlt 8, OFashanu 16, JCLatham 19, TFuaga 21 Yeah. Mims and Alt were awesome. No surprise there. And a few of the prospects who had deficiencies in run blocking, how did they do in pass protection? Paul 11, TGuyton 20, KSuamataia 20, TFautanu 22 How about our new draftee: Caeden Wallace: 18 Surprisingly, he was not that much worse than Fashanu - although Fashanu was on the left and Wallace on the right. Previous performance is obviously not the whole picture for prospects, but it is interesting. |
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Post by mobaz on Apr 27, 2024 10:36:43 GMT -5
Someday I'd like to see some team name Mel Kiper as their GM. Then we'll see how good he is. Personally, I can't stand him. We saw that with a more highly regarded Draftnik in Mike Mayock. It was a colossal failure. Also I hated all Louis Riddicks takes too. Booger made more sense than him sometimes. |
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Post by philarhody on Apr 27, 2024 10:42:12 GMT -5
Hoping for Johnny Wilson today. Don’t think he’s a tight end at all. Great feet and potential. Freaky
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Post by rasimon on Apr 27, 2024 10:59:37 GMT -5
Some guys I like coming into today:
Christian Mahogany OG BC
Cade Stover TE Ohio St
Jaylen Wright RB Tenn
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Tyrone Tracy RB/WR Perdue - shifted from WR to RB this year and was very good. Also a good return man.
Malik Washington WR UVa - slot only. Maybe skill set overlaps Douglas too much?
Troy Franklin WR - not sure why he fell so much. Combine was ok. Good 40 and Vert. Others were average. Very light. Drop rate a bit high.
Leonard Taylor DT Miami - was not good this year at NT. But was excellent in 2022 at 3-tech. Combine was disappointing.
Cornelius Johnson WR Mich - big X.
Christian Jones OT Texas - game ready. Upside may be limited. But our bench OTs sucked last year.
Johnny Wilson TE Florida St - can he add some weight and move to TE?
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 11:26:42 GMT -5
Layden Robinson, G, Texas A&M.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:37:27 GMT -5
Finally, yes!
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Post by cdj on Apr 27, 2024 11:38:16 GMT -5
LOVE the pick
Javon Baker for those not aware yet
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 27, 2024 11:38:41 GMT -5
Yes Javon Baker!
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Post by mobaz on Apr 27, 2024 11:42:27 GMT -5
I'm happy with this draft. No idea on the OL men but good to have inside and outside options, and I like the skill players so far.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:42:49 GMT -5
I do I have to mention they passed on a bunch of defensive talent I loved to pick another upside OG, Mohamed Kamara, Cedric Grey, DTD the safety and 4 very good CBs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:44:31 GMT -5
I'm happy with this draft. No idea on the OL men but good to have inside and outside options, and I like the skill players so far. Yeah it's certainly a build around Drake Maye draft. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 11:53:54 GMT -5
Now we just need another great 6th round!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 12:06:19 GMT -5
Robinson C+, very good run blocker, needs a ton of work on pass protection. Only played RG. Maybe your extra OL guy on running plays next year. Kinda opposite of Wallace, he needs work on technique.
Baker A+ You get your true X WR, big play machine. TV announcers mentioned drops, those went away after the QB change. I debated him and Walker, Baker is much more polished.
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Post by rasimon on Apr 27, 2024 12:25:48 GMT -5
DET goes big at 126 with Giovanni Manu!
Bold pick. I didn't expect anyone to pull the trigger on him that soon.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 13:13:50 GMT -5
Baker certainly talks like a number 1.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 13:15:41 GMT -5
Speaking of "talking", upon being drafted by the Bears, punter Tory Taylor got a text from new teammate Caleb Williams saying "Hey, you're not gonna punt too much here".
The old guy in me says these guys talk too much. But there is another part of me that says "Good on ya!"
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 27, 2024 13:15:51 GMT -5
What are these "tons of needs" beyond a top QB, OL & WR help (which they have hopefully addressed)? Not in order but: RB TE DE DT LB CB FS There’s not one position on the field you can look at and say that spot is all set and secure and you don’t need anyone there other than strong safety. Edge we have Judon (who’s old) but we still need a stud opposite him and for the rotation to replace him. Jennings Uche and White do make this lower priority but upgrades are still necessary to be a top squad, maybe it comes from one or 2 of those guys. DT they have Barmore but they don’t have the bigger bodied person Godchaux needs an upgrade for both production and youth. ILB - Bentley and Tavai have played well but they are hardly studs. CB - Gonzalez seems like a stud so let’s just assume their CB1 is locked down. Your depth chart is then Jones, Jones and Wade. They need more. FS - we don’t have one Contention isn’t happening next year this roster has a lot of upgrading needed all over. I consider "needs" to mean "need to upgrade because existing option is not starter quality." I don't consider "needs" to mean "Pro Bowl quality player." I would like to have many of the latter but don't consider them prerequisite to a strong winning team. Without debating all of your specific examples I'll only mention one: Godcheaux, who has led all interior DL in tackles over the last 5 years. He's a big part of the reason the Patriots D was historically good against the run last year. Here's Taylor Kyles's assessment of the roster through Round 3 (which, although I quibble with a few grades, I generally agree with): /photo/1 |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 27, 2024 13:19:59 GMT -5
I'm happy with this draft. No idea on the OL men but good to have inside and outside options, and I like the skill players so far. According to the scouting reports I've read: two slowish strongish WRs who struggle with the nowadays all-important separation. From The 33rd Team: |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 13:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 27, 2024 13:56:26 GMT -5
Round 4 should bring us a TE, either Sanders or Stover. After that a S or CB. Lots of calls to Kickers after the draft. ESPN said that our win rate on pass protection was last in the league. Wow, I didn't realize that it was that bad. No wonder Mac had happy feet. Wolf using the GB playbook. I guess that's good. Better than BB's. Yes, the Pats sucked in pass protection last year. Our IOL, as measured by a simple (Pressures/600 PassSnaps), was not good. 600 PassSnaps is approximately one year. I discussed that in a post above along with some possible draft upgrades. With respect to OTs, I assumed MOnwenu and TBrown were good, that their backups sucked, and that COkorafur was also not good. That's not quite correct...Below is (Pressures/600 PassSnaps) for last year. What do good OTs look like: TWilliams 25, PSewell 18, CDarrisaw 29, TSmith 20 OK so for OTs it looks like (Pressures/600 PassSnaps) of 20-25 is very good, although it probably depends at least a bit on the QB. Last Years Pats OTs: TBrown 29, MOnwenu 27, VLowe 79, CAnderson 49, CMcDermott 58 So Brown and Onwenu were pretty good and their backups were dreadful - which confirms observations. How much will we lose by replacing Brown with Okoafur? COkorafur last year: 24 I did not expect that. Is that possibly a figment of the Steelers QBs? I would be surprised. Steelers other OTs: BJones 48, DMoore 79 No. ChuckO was actually very good in pass protection last year. That is surprising. Has he always been this good? Year...PassSnaps...(Pressures/600 PassSnaps) 2023......272..........24 2022......686..........36 2021......683..........20 2020......682..........23 2019.......44..........54 2018.......76..........39 Yes. At least in years when he has played a significant number of PassSnaps he has been very good. Well not so great in 2022 - but not awful. If ChuckO can stay on the field better than TBrown did, and more importantly keep the bench guys off the field, that could actually be a big upgrade. How about the OT draft prospects? Top draft OT prospects: AMims 4, JAlt 8, OFashanu 16, JCLatham 19, TFuaga 21 Yeah. Mims and Alt were awesome. No surprise there. And a few of the prospects who had deficiencies in run blocking, how did they do in pass protection? Paul 11, TGuyton 20, KSuamataia 20, TFautanu 22 How about our new draftee: Caeden Wallace: 18 Surprisingly, he was not that much worse than Fashanu - although Fashanu was on the left and Wallace on the right. Previous performance is obviously not the whole picture for prospects, but it is interesting. Adding to your thoughtful analysis: It seemed to me many (not all) of the OL pass protect problems were caused by teamwork breakdowns (blown assignments), rather than lack of physicality/skill (either agility or strength). I attribute this to many new faces, new places & lots of injuries. A cohesive functioning group never developed. Losing their OL coach for the year (around Thanksgiving?) surely didn't help. It doesn't mean they all can't play in this league. |
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Post by rasimon on Apr 27, 2024 14:22:23 GMT -5
Yes, the Pats sucked in pass protection last year. Our IOL, as measured by a simple (Pressures/600 PassSnaps), was not good. 600 PassSnaps is approximately one year. I discussed that in a post above along with some possible draft upgrades. With respect to OTs, I assumed MOnwenu and TBrown were good, that their backups sucked, and that COkorafur was also not good. That's not quite correct...Below is (Pressures/600 PassSnaps) for last year. What do good OTs look like: TWilliams 25, PSewell 18, CDarrisaw 29, TSmith 20 OK so for OTs it looks like (Pressures/600 PassSnaps) of 20-25 is very good, although it probably depends at least a bit on the QB. Last Years Pats OTs: TBrown 29, MOnwenu 27, VLowe 79, CAnderson 49, CMcDermott 58 So Brown and Onwenu were pretty good and their backups were dreadful - which confirms observations. How much will we lose by replacing Brown with Okoafur? COkorafur last year: 24 I did not expect that. Is that possibly a figment of the Steelers QBs? I would be surprised. Steelers other OTs: BJones 48, DMoore 79 No. ChuckO was actually very good in pass protection last year. That is surprising. Has he always been this good? Year...PassSnaps...(Pressures/600 PassSnaps) 2023......272..........24 2022......686..........36 2021......683..........20 2020......682..........23 2019.......44..........54 2018.......76..........39 Yes. At least in years when he has played a significant number of PassSnaps he has been very good. Well not so great in 2022 - but not awful. If ChuckO can stay on the field better than TBrown did, and more importantly keep the bench guys off the field, that could actually be a big upgrade. How about the OT draft prospects? Top draft OT prospects: AMims 4, JAlt 8, OFashanu 16, JCLatham 19, TFuaga 21 Yeah. Mims and Alt were awesome. No surprise there. And a few of the prospects who had deficiencies in run blocking, how did they do in pass protection? Paul 11, TGuyton 20, KSuamataia 20, TFautanu 22 How about our new draftee: Caeden Wallace: 18 Surprisingly, he was not that much worse than Fashanu - although Fashanu was on the left and Wallace on the right. Previous performance is obviously not the whole picture for prospects, but it is interesting. Adding to your thoughtful analysis: It seemed to me many (not all) of the OL pass protect problems were caused by teamwork breakdowns (blown assignments), rather than lack of physicality/skill (either agility or strength). I attribute this to many new faces, new places & lots of injuries. A cohesive functioning group never developed. Losing their OL coach for the year (around Thanksgiving?) surely didn't help. It doesn't mean they all can't play in this league. Agreed. That probably contributed as well |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 14:41:49 GMT -5
I had 29 players a thought were good value top of the 4th round, 3 players are still left Brendan Rice, Malik Washington both WR and Mekhi Wingo DT.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 14:46:44 GMT -5
Other players I like Caelen Carson CB, DJ James CB, Cedric Johnson DE, Gabriel Murphy DE.
Then RBs Isaiah Davis, Kimani Vidal and Carson Steele.
I also really like Isaiah Williams WR.
So we know they won't take any of these players lol.
Add in DT run stuffers Khristian Boyd and Fabien Lovett.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 14:54:51 GMT -5
Caught the backend of a discussion on the radio and, if I understood it correctly, AD Mitchell has diabetes and is quite terrible at managing it.
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