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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 26, 2024 20:56:45 GMT -5
Drafting heavily based on need rather than best available seems like a pretty radical departure from the old Patriot philosophy.
Maybe it works but it seems like a weird strategy to me for a rebuilding team with tons of needs.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 26, 2024 21:03:11 GMT -5
What are these "tons of needs" beyond a top QB, OL & WR help (which they have hopefully addressed)?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 26, 2024 21:05:34 GMT -5
We can quibble on the players but their draft so far has been as expected tbh.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 26, 2024 21:20:59 GMT -5
OT Caedan has a fan:
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 26, 2024 21:26:54 GMT -5
What are these "tons of needs" beyond a top QB, OL & WR help (which they have hopefully addressed)? The Patriots were just one of the worst teams in the NFL. Probably worse than the Commanders. They need talent all over the place.
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Post by cdj on Apr 26, 2024 21:33:29 GMT -5
Caedan says he can play every position on the line and his brother is an oyster scientist
We’re so back
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 26, 2024 21:36:30 GMT -5
What are these "tons of needs" beyond a top QB, OL & WR help (which they have hopefully addressed)? The Patriots were just one of the worst teams in the NFL. Probably worse than the Commanders. They need talent all over the place. Well, the record was bad. Although I would suggest that was due to: 1) bad QB play; 2) uneven OL play (& injuries); 3) most 1-score losses in NFL -- if the game was close (most were) they didn't win it. I don't think they "need talent all over the place." I think they need to square away the OL & get some good QB play & get back their 2 best defensive players, who they lost in Week 4 last year. Plus their all-pro PR & slot CB they lost in Week 2.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 26, 2024 21:43:54 GMT -5
It’s pretty refreshing that the Patriots are taking talent with character at positions of need.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 26, 2024 21:50:23 GMT -5
Well, we can agree to disagree. You’re not a couple moves away from a super bowl when you’re that bad and have several dead contracts.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 26, 2024 22:00:49 GMT -5
It’s pretty refreshing that the Patriots are taking talent with character at positions of need. They sure do present well. So far.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 26, 2024 22:11:25 GMT -5
Well, we can agree to disagree. You’re not a couple moves away from a super bowl when you’re that bad and have several dead contracts. I don’t think these picks are because they think they are a few picks away its more they are building the foundation so that they don’t have to be drafting for “need.”
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 26, 2024 22:35:05 GMT -5
That makes sense. I hope that’s the reason.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 26, 2024 22:47:36 GMT -5
Mel was not a fan of the Day 2 picks:
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 27, 2024 0:32:26 GMT -5
I certainly didn't love the Polk pick, as someone said it's hitting a safe double. That isn't a horrible thing though. This isn't Strange or Thornton pick. He's a good safe player that makes us better. Funny that the guy who coached both wanted Polk, not McMillan. B+
Wallace is a good solid player, tons of experience and a good solid technician. You see a pattern developing, good solid experienced players. The draft guys love to hype up upside guys with tons of boom or bust. I get it, this is much more of a reach though. Need is big, but did you even come close to getting best value? I get focusing on floor, but is he the highest floor player? It won't matter if he's great, it certainly will if you are wrong. I find myself going did they really want both LT next year converting from RT? C+
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2024 5:08:44 GMT -5
What are these "tons of needs" beyond a top QB, OL & WR help (which they have hopefully addressed)? Not in order but: RB TE DE DT LB CB FS There’s not one position on the field you can look at and say that spot is all set and secure and you don’t need anyone there other than strong safety. Edge we have Judon (who’s old) but we still need a stud opposite him and for the rotation to replace him. Jennings Uche and White do make this lower priority but upgrades are still necessary to be a top squad, maybe it comes from one or 2 of those guys. DT they have Barmore but they don’t have the bigger bodied person Godchaux needs an upgrade for both production and youth. ILB - Bentley and Tavai have played well but they are hardly studs. CB - Gonzalez seems like a stud so let’s just assume their CB1 is locked down. Your depth chart is then Jones, Jones and Wade. They need more. FS - we don’t have one Contention isn’t happening next year this roster has a lot of upgrading needed all over.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2024 5:14:26 GMT -5
Give me Jaylen Wright next pick He’s still there, I know we have Gibson but there is nothing much in our RB room after Stephenson and Gibson. This guy is explosive and can play all 3 downs. Good blocker too.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 27, 2024 5:26:51 GMT -5
At the end of the day, all that matters is if these guys can play. It’s interesting that the last 2 guys they picked were overshadowed by guys on their team that were top picks at their positions.
If Polk is a better Jacobi Meyers, that’s a home run pick at that spot. Is it the true number 1 guy we need? No but you pair that with Douglas in the slot and they are the complimentary weapons a true number 1 needs.
This offensive line needs help in every spot except the one Onwenu is playing. Center is locked down but we can all see the longer term need there. I’m pretty confident in Sow at RG but it’s not a sure thing yet. Strange and the other spot need up grades. Maybe it comes from Strange and others on the team but last year wasn’t good enough. Wallace seems to give options. If he’s a good player he will help. Can he move to LT? Being blocked by the number 2 LT in college football is a pretty good reason why he’d be playing RT.
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Post by philarhody on Apr 27, 2024 6:58:10 GMT -5
Came across a lot of whining amongst Patriots fan about the picks yesterday. I’m a little confused by it.
Polk has some of the largest hands in the draft, is very tough and a very good route runner who ran a 1.53 ten yard split in the forty (see: can actually separate). Conor Rogers had him as his 6th best receiver in this draft and compared him to Chris Godwin. Nate Tice had him as the 34th player on his big board. Peter Schraeger had him going in the first round of his mock draft.
Wallace is a guy who can actually play tackle in the league. A third round pick on a tackle is a dart throw. I thought it was a smart dart throw on a player with the physical profile and tape to match.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 6:59:07 GMT -5
On the surface, it feels like these guys were "reaches" in part bc they had teammates who were better (but also Top of the 1st rd talents).
Would Polk have been higher if Odunze wasn't there. Would Wallace have been higher if he hadn't had Fashanu on the left side.
They matched a riskier pick (Maye instead of one of the WRs or Alt) with safer picks. Were there honeruns on the board, sure? But, as UMass said, the hit doubles.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 7:02:29 GMT -5
Wonder if they trade back one of these 4ths to bridge the gap (no 5th) or keep the 2 higher picks.
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Post by cdj on Apr 27, 2024 7:27:16 GMT -5
The more I hear about Polk the more he sounds like a big culture guy- the kinda guy you want to bring into a team trying to establish an identity. One of the tougher WR in the draft and a guy teammates love.
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Post by costpet on Apr 27, 2024 8:07:04 GMT -5
Round 4 should bring us a TE, either Sanders or Stover. After that a S or CB. Lots of calls to Kickers after the draft.
ESPN said that our win rate on pass protection was last in the league. Wow, I didn't realize that it was that bad. No wonder Mac had happy feet.
Wolf using the GB playbook. I guess that's good. Better than BB's.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 27, 2024 8:14:34 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me if they take another WR. Seems to be potential starters at RB and IOL which are both positions of need (at least long term).
Many feel this is a shallower draft so, in other positions of need, there may be little difference between late round and UDFA.
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Post by cdj on Apr 27, 2024 8:33:15 GMT -5
Some guys I have interest in
Javon Baker WR UCF Khyree Jackson CB Oregon TJ Tampa CB Iowa State Javion Cohen LG Miami Brenden Rice WR USC Johnny Wilson WR/TE FSU (I’d convert him into a receiving TE) Cade Stover TE Ohio State Javon Foster T Mizzou Mason McCormick G South Dakota State Cedric Gray LB UNC Jeremiah Trotter Jr. LB Clemson Trajan Jeffcoat EDGE Arkansas Cam Hart CB Notre Dame Decamerion Richardson CB Mississippi State Malik Mustapha S Wake Forest Joshua Karty K Stanford
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 27, 2024 9:00:12 GMT -5
Generally once they make the picks I don’t feel in a great spot to judge. I liked the tackle from Yale but who knows? I liked McConkey over Polk but I’ll trust their evaluations and we’ll see. Happy about the positions they picked.
Would not mind another receiver next. I like Franklin as a guy with some speed and upside. But honestly they could use talent wherever they can get it so I’d hope someone high on their board fell and they grab them regardless of position.
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