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Patriots 2024 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2024 11:22:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately we have worst case scenario type crap, Mayo doesn't have the team ready to play and frankly seems clueless as a coach. I thought I'd enjoy a coach actually talking to Media after decades of Bill. Now all I want is for Mayo to stop talking. Has a coach handled a rookie QB situation worse in recent history? Maye has only taken a few first team reps all camp, actually starting him would be criminal. Yet here we are, Maye clearly out playing Brissett by a crazy wide margin, it's not even close.
He's playing the starters a full half, most of football isn't playing any starters in third preseason game. Heck some teams aren't even playing top backups. Sow gets injured and Brissett gets banged up. So what guys like Boutte who per Media are fighting to make the team, get Milton with no accuracy. Why was Zappe put in the last two minutes to hand the football to RBs? You had a great chance to run a two minute offense with Milton or Zappe, set up a legit FG kick for the competition, not a 65 yard one.
Thornton once again didn't look like he belongs with Starters.
Also not going to let the GM off, Connor Williams who's great at OG and Center signed a week back on a deal upto 6 million and is practicing already. Veteran OT are available and they aren't even bringing them in for tryouts. How can a GM watch that during practices and do nothing when you have cap space and good veteran players unsigned? Okafor can't even lineup at LT.
Maye is what we thought, but you don't want him playing till they fix that OL. The RBs as a group looked great, seems we don't need depth pieces.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 26, 2024 11:31:56 GMT -5
I’ve only loosely followed the Patriots as I’ve been focused on the Celtics and Red Sox more lately but based on what you guys are saying… I’m wondering how Mayo got picked as head coach.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 26, 2024 11:59:10 GMT -5
Yeah, it really should have been Vrabel, Kraft got too cute.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 26, 2024 12:00:36 GMT -5
Tucker Addington is the first of the [reported]roster cuts, per Doug Kyed. Pettway, Hearn, Roberts, K Baker, Chambers |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 26, 2024 12:05:13 GMT -5
Given what we [think] know, I'm hoping for but not expecting the following:
Keeping 4 QBs - makes zero sense in MOST cases but if they are trying to protect Maye (and insist on Milton making the 53), then having TWO sacrificial lambs might make sense
Keeping 7 WRs - again, if they're insisting on Thornton as the starting X and Reagor on this team for returns/etc, I'd MUCH rather keep Boutte than some of these back of the roster guys. For example, is it unreasonable to expect one of the non-Stevenson/Gibson RBs (or someone equal off waivers) to get to the practice squad?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2024 12:16:27 GMT -5
Why does everyone think Reagor for a returner? Wallis has been the better returner during the two preseason games I've watch. Then again I'm not a big fan of keeping a guy just for return abilities.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 26, 2024 12:18:02 GMT -5
Why does everyone think Reagor for a returner? Wallis has been the better returner during the two preseason games I've watch. Then again I'm not a big fan of keeping a guy just for return abilities. Whole heartedly agree. Just basing it on most projections which suggest it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2024 12:18:15 GMT -5
Given what we [think] know, I'm hoping for but not expecting the following: Keeping 4 QBs - makes zero sense in MOST cases but if they are trying to protect Maye (and insist on Milton making the 53), then having TWO sacrificial lambs might make sense Keeping 7 WRs - again, if they're insisting on Thornton as the starting X and Reagor on this team for returns/etc, I'd MUCH rather keep Boutte than some of these back of the roster guys. For example, is it unreasonable to expect one of the non-Stevenson/Gibson RBs (or someone equal off waivers) to get to the practice squad? Nope, they likely all get there. Then use the call up option for a few weeks till you sort things out. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2024 12:19:23 GMT -5
Why does everyone think Reagor for a returner? Wallis has been the better returner during the two preseason games I've watch. Then again I'm not a big fan of keeping a guy just for return abilities. Whole heartedly agree. Just basing it on most projections which suggest it. Yeah I wasn't calling you out, everyone doing 53 projections is saying the same thing. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 26, 2024 12:24:27 GMT -5
It's not ALL bad according to OL analyst Brandon Thorn:
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2024 13:06:28 GMT -5
Few things:
I’ve said since the start that Mayo needs to shut up and I still agree there. I’ll worry about him if he loses the locker room. Until then, he’s a young first year coach, he’s going to make mistakes. I’ll be worried if he doesn’t learn from them. Unfortunately, it usually takes an offseason before they can really reflect and digest so it is what it is this year. Remember how much people complained about Mazzula? He learned and adapted. All great coaches do, jury is out on if Mayo will do that and we can’t start learning that until next year if he’s still around.
I’m actually more concerned with Wolfe on some level. He comes from GB and they always had crappy lines holding them back and now we are seeing a repeat of last years mistakes on the line. Maybe this is a Wolfe philosophy issue. I’ll keep an open mind until next offseason on him tho.
Bolden should be their returner and Boutte should be on the team over Regor.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 26, 2024 13:31:48 GMT -5
Remember how much people complained about Mazzula? He learned and adapted. All great coaches do, jury is out on if Mayo will do that and we can’t start learning that until next year if he’s still around. I agree with you friend, just want to point out that there's a difference here. Mazz was from day one a certified great guy, while Mayo absolutely talks like an asshole. Joe's gameplan was often lacking and he got better, but he always behaved like a proper HC. Mayo hasn't earned that trust yet. Not saying he can't do that, but it's different to be inexperienced than it is to be inadequate, but Mayo could probably get better at communicating stuff. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 26, 2024 13:43:27 GMT -5
Remember how much people complained about Mazzula? He learned and adapted. All great coaches do, jury is out on if Mayo will do that and we can’t start learning that until next year if he’s still around. I agree with you friend, just want to point out that there's a difference here. Mazz was from day one a certified great guy, while Mayo absolutely talks like an asshole. Joe's gameplan was often lacking and he got better, but he always behaved like a proper HC. Mayo hasn't earned that trust yet. Not saying he can't do that, but it's different to be inexperienced than it is to be inadequate, but Mayo could probably get better at communicating stuff. everybody thought Mazzulla was an entitled dickhead last year because of how he’d treat the media, where were you? He would get snippy pretty frequently. He also has a DV charge. I’m not exactly sure how Mayo is being painted as the one who is an asshole (for the record I’ve been pro-Mazzulla all along). Mayo talks a lot, but it’s not particularly assholish. I’d prefer him to talk less because I don’t wanna hear the sports radio-level banter breaking down everything he says |
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Post by philarhody on Aug 26, 2024 14:06:18 GMT -5
I agree with you friend, just want to point out that there's a difference here. Mazz was from day one a certified great guy, while Mayo absolutely talks like an asshole. Joe's gameplan was often lacking and he got better, but he always behaved like a proper HC. Mayo hasn't earned that trust yet. Not saying he can't do that, but it's different to be inexperienced than it is to be inadequate, but Mayo could probably get better at communicating stuff. everybody thought Mazzulla was an entitled dickhead last year because of how he’d treat the media, where were you? He would get snippy pretty frequently. He also has a DV charge. I’m not exactly sure how Mayo is being painted as the one who is an asshole (for the record I’ve been pro-Mazzulla all along). Mayo talks a lot, but it’s not particularly assholish. I’d prefer him to talk less because I don’t wanna hear the sports radio-level banter breaking down everything he says Mazzulla was a stubborn asshole last year. And he got better as this year went along. Both those things are true. At no point did Mazzulla act like the best player on his team had some obstacle to climb, like we were watching some Disney sports movie. That’s what we have watched with Jerod Mayo. It’s ridiculous. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 26, 2024 14:06:45 GMT -5
More Bill makes me happy:
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Post by philarhody on Aug 26, 2024 14:12:06 GMT -5
Whole heartedly agree. Just basing it on most projections which suggest it. Yeah I wasn't calling you out, everyone doing 53 projections is saying the same thing. Wallis looks like a zero on offense. Milton hit him for a touchdown last night and he barely threw an arm up. At least Reagor makes contact with the ball before he drops it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2024 14:19:22 GMT -5
Few things Mazzula was thrown into the fire right before the season before he even spent one year as a top assistant in NBA. He didn't get to add anyone and has less experience than Mayo, with a team that was a championship contender. A big part of this year with Mazzula was getting him two top assistants and Van Gundy to help him grow as a coach.
Mayo had all offseason and brought in experienced coaches to help him, especially on offense. Mayo isn't also feeling the pressure of being a championship contender.
So while Mazzula does show you how coaches can improve, Mayo has things much easier. He's making things harder by his own actions and words. I wanted an offensive coach to help Maye and make Mayo DC, that seemed like the right plan with a young QB. So we'll see, he's certainly off to a very rocky start. So much that my win projections have gone way down.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2024 14:22:26 GMT -5
Yeah I wasn't calling you out, everyone doing 53 projections is saying the same thing. Wallis looks like a zero on offense. Milton hit him for a touchdown last night and he barely threw an arm up. At least Reagor makes contact with the ball before he drops it. Does it matter? Neither are going to see anytime at WR unless we get destroyed by injuries. At least with Wallis you can hope maybe he gets better with good coaching, that ship has sailed with Reagor at WR. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 26, 2024 14:35:11 GMT -5
I agree with you friend, just want to point out that there's a difference here. Mazz was from day one a certified great guy, while Mayo absolutely talks like an asshole. Joe's gameplan was often lacking and he got better, but he always behaved like a proper HC. Mayo hasn't earned that trust yet. Not saying he can't do that, but it's different to be inexperienced than it is to be inadequate, but Mayo could probably get better at communicating stuff. everybody thought Mazzulla was an entitled dickhead last year because of how he’d treat the media, where were you? He would get snippy pretty frequently. He also has a DV charge. I’m not exactly sure how Mayo is being painted as the one who is an asshole (for the record I’ve been pro-Mazzulla all along). Mayo talks a lot, but it’s not particularly assholish. I’d prefer him to talk less because I don’t wanna hear the sports radio-level banter breaking down everything he says I was right here friend, I even thought maybe Mazz wasn’t the right guy because the team was so championship ready. I love his interviews, so maybe that clouds my judgment lol. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 26, 2024 14:42:21 GMT -5
everybody thought Mazzulla was an entitled dickhead last year because of how he’d treat the media, where were you? He would get snippy pretty frequently. He also has a DV charge. I’m not exactly sure how Mayo is being painted as the one who is an asshole (for the record I’ve been pro-Mazzulla all along). Mayo talks a lot, but it’s not particularly assholish. I’d prefer him to talk less because I don’t wanna hear the sports radio-level banter breaking down everything he says I was right here friend, I even thought maybe Mazz wasn’t the right guy because the team was so championship ready. I love his interviews, so maybe that clouds my judgment lol. I agree and there is always a difference between situations. I just want to see growth and development from my young coaches (and players) not stubbornness in their ways. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 26, 2024 14:53:00 GMT -5
I was right here friend, I even thought maybe Mazz wasn’t the right guy because the team was so championship ready. I love his interviews, so maybe that clouds my judgment lol. I agree and there is always a difference between situations. I just want to see growth and development from my young coaches (and players) not stubbornness in their ways. Absolutely. Mayo needs to communicate stuff better and that comes with being a young coach. I just don't like him like I liked Mazz from day one as an interesting guy I'm willing to listen to lol. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2024 14:55:04 GMT -5
So who wins the kicker battle?
It's been about even. I'd pick Ryland because he's younger and showed improvement over last year, but based on results it's a coin flip.
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Post by cdj on Aug 26, 2024 15:00:47 GMT -5
So who wins the kicker battle? It's been about even. I'd pick Ryland because he's younger and showed improvement over last year, but based on results it's a coin flip. I’d pick Ryland too |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 26, 2024 15:17:31 GMT -5
14 Cuts officially made today:
RB - Fenwick
WR - K Baker
TE - Pettway, Warren
OL - Henry, Turner
DL - Bronson, Roberts, McCarroll, Bradley-King
LB - Chambers
CB - Hearn, Victor
ST - Addington
I believe that leaves us with 77 players. Bourne, Strange and Takitaki likely go to Inactive PUP. Barmore and Mapu to IR also likely.
EDIT - Not sure why Mark Daniels says it's 75 players unless he's already counting Mapu and Barmore to IR.
EDIT2 - 76 with Jotham Russell having an IPP exemption.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 26, 2024 15:49:32 GMT -5
Not sure why Patriots.com show's the Mike Purcell signing back on 8/1, has no other transaction including him but doesn't include him on their roster. Did I miss something?
It would appear neither PatsPulpit or Mark Daniels are including him in their counts (both at 75 + Jotham).
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