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Post by bluechip on May 6, 2013 23:03:17 GMT -5
Dempster is good to start tomorrow even though he warned up tonight? Where is Webster at rest wise? He pitched on May 3rd.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 6, 2013 23:03:42 GMT -5
Salty, WMB and Farrell's bullpen usage leads us to the win.
This team still has the best winning percentage in the MLB, so could we please stop with the "Farrell is a terrible manager" shit? Who would be doing a better job than him?
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Post by wcp3 on May 6, 2013 23:07:46 GMT -5
No one's called him a terrible manager. But his bullpen management has not been good.
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Post by godot on May 6, 2013 23:10:27 GMT -5
Let's see they knocked Farrell, said Mortensen was junk and Farrell did not know what he was doing,Middlebrooks was lost, and Salty was the worse ball player since Don Buddin. Oh yeah, Drew was recently on the firing line You never know how the worm turns. There is a reason why we are fans, and not players or a manager.
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Post by mattpicard on May 6, 2013 23:11:00 GMT -5
Great win, and I knew Drew would come around. You can tell by the type of hitter he's always been, he's not WMB or Salty status even when he's really scuffling. I've always really liked his approach and eye as a shortstop bat with average defense.
Seems like the word from most people is calling for Uehara to close with Tazawa setting up. I think Tazawa is the clear cut closer material pitcher in this pen. As Breslow contines to get stronger, him and Uehara can take care of outs in the 8th. I have confidence in Wilson and Morty to be decent middle/long relievers. The issue is just they need some rest due to a tough few games.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 6, 2013 23:19:14 GMT -5
Great win, and I knew Drew would come around. You can tell by the type of hitter he's always been, he's not WMB or Salty status even when he's really scuffling. I've always really liked his approach and eye as a shortstop bat with average defense. Seems like the word from most people is calling for Uehara to close with Tazawa setting up. I think Tazawa is the clear cut closer material pitcher in this pen. As Breslow contines to get stronger, him and Uehara can take care of outs in the 8th. I have confidence in Wilson and Morty to be decent middle/long relievers. The issue is just they need some rest due to a tough few games. +1 While I have been very pessimistic about WMB and Salty I am a Drew believer. He should be average SS both offensively and defensively.
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Post by mattpicard on May 6, 2013 23:36:54 GMT -5
Right, and sometimes ticks above average, especially offensively. Maybe he can take over 7th in the lineup and get Salty the hell out of there. Funny that it were the 5 and 6 spots I was ranting about last week, but, it really is frustrating.
Salty, I guess, had a good game though despite having some brutal moments in his at bats. I know it gets tiresome complaining about him on a near daily basis, but I strongly believe he has to go, sooner rather than later. I know he's not a useless player and offers power, but I just think he's far worse offensively and offensively than people realize, to a point where replacing him with a iffy offense, plus defense catcher would make a world of difference. It would be balanced more on defense but a combo of some catcher fitting that profile plus Ross' terrific skill set as a part timer would be tolerable, and worth the change. Try to trade Salty for a decent, even on the fence middle reliever if possible, as long as they are on the young side and have a little experience in MLB.
WMB. Man, do you think he has about 3 weeks before he gets sent down to work things out barring at least a little amount of improvement? The issue is, we don't really have immediate depth to come in and play on a daily basis. And I'm not sure I want Ciriaco playing more than 30% of the time at third.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 7, 2013 0:30:30 GMT -5
Salty, WMB and Farrell's bullpen usage leads us to the win. This team still has the best winning percentage in the MLB, so could we please stop with the "Farrell is a terrible manager" shit? Who would be doing a better job than him? Mike Trout can't be the MVP, his team didn't even make the playoffs!
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Post by Don Caballero on May 7, 2013 0:33:34 GMT -5
Salty, WMB and Farrell's bullpen usage leads us to the win. This team still has the best winning percentage in the MLB, so could we please stop with the "Farrell is a terrible manager" shit? Who would be doing a better job than him? Mike Trout can't be the MVP, his team didn't even make the playoffs!His team didn't make the post-season also in large part because Mike Scioscia is a terrible manager, so thanks for making my point for me.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 7, 2013 0:39:25 GMT -5
Oh stop. You can't judge a manager by his team's record anymore than you can judge a player by their team's record. They're a small piece of a much larger whole.
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Post by bjb406 on May 7, 2013 0:48:20 GMT -5
I havent really seen a big problem with Farrell's bullpen management. Its better the Tito's ever was.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 7, 2013 1:01:46 GMT -5
Ok... Everyone needs to go back through the thread and own up to some of the insane commentary that came off their keyboard. You can't live out a season in one game. Maybe you can try but it will drive you nuts, and the rest of us also.
It's baseball. Injuries are part of it, slumps are part of it, hot streaks are part of it. People step up, some succeed, some fail. And the season is 162 games long. Try to remember that. By the way, this was a win for the Sox.
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Post by ozebaseball on May 7, 2013 2:29:29 GMT -5
Ok... Everyone needs to go back through the thread and own up to some of the insane commentary that came off their keyboard. You can't live out a season in one game. Maybe you can try but it will drive you nuts, and the rest of us also. I very much agree Norm. BUT. How good is it that this team is actually worth giving a shit about now? 12 months ago Aceves was closing (blowing?) games and Bobby Valentine was the manager. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride for the next couple of months.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 7, 2013 5:21:49 GMT -5
With Flinstone out, who are the possible replacements?
Aceves is obvious, but might the sox go a different direction?
Bard? Chris Martin? Wright?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 7, 2013 5:51:10 GMT -5
I think they need 2 fresh arms for a while. I'd consider dropping Wilson also for a couple games and calling up Aceves and Webster. After 2-3 games send Webster back down after that. We need fresh arms badly. I could see Martin getting a call at some point.
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Post by amfox1 on May 7, 2013 6:06:54 GMT -5
I think they need 2 fresh arms for a while. I'd consider dropping Wilson also for a couple games and calling up Aceves and Webster. After 2-3 games send Webster back down after that. We need fresh arms badly. I could see Martin getting a call at some point. Martin needs some finishing school at AAA. As soon as a bullpen opening arises, either Martin or Huntzinger should be promoted, with Ruiz to follow later in the year.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 7, 2013 7:27:35 GMT -5
Amfox quote: Martin needs some finishing school at AAA. As soon as a bullpen opening arises, either Martin or Huntzinger should be promoted, with Ruiz to follow later in the year.
ME: Agreed. Martin is pretty old already right. The time is now for a promotion if he is going to help us much going forward. Probably not a call up this year except maybe in September.
It's possible at some point in the next month or more De La Rosa might be getting a call. He seems to be progressing.
I like the Sox approach of assigning top pros to help some of these premium guys. Pedro with De La Rosa. Tek with Swihart...etc. Excellent management approach. Dedicate top management talent directly to the premium guys. Swihart appears to be doing great in terms of throwing out runners so far. And he is so athletic he just looks like he will develop the hit tool. A real top athlete at the catcher position.
I just think the farm looks outstanding this year. I feel like it is just starting to hit it's stride.
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Post by Guidas on May 7, 2013 7:39:56 GMT -5
Awesome win. Time to clear a 40-man spot to bring up Martin to bolster the pen. Then again, if Ben wants to get a little bold he could bring up RDLR. I don't see Ben as the bold type, though. Not even a little.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 7, 2013 8:47:47 GMT -5
I would like Martin to pitch in the big league. Bullpen arms tend to adjust well.
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Post by soxfan06 on May 7, 2013 8:56:46 GMT -5
Ok... Everyone needs to go back through the thread and own up to some of the insane commentary that came off their keyboard. You can't live out a season in one game. Maybe you can try but it will drive you nuts, and the rest of us also. It's baseball,l. Injuries are part of it, slumps are part of it, hot streaks are part of it. People step up, some succeed, some fail. And the season is 162 games long. Try to remember that. By the wa,y this was a win for the Sox. Okay, here is my comment: Oh wait, that is still true. He still sucks.
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Post by jmei on May 7, 2013 9:01:33 GMT -5
Honestly, considering the top two closing options are both on the DL, two relievers have been demoted due to ineffectiveness (Aceves and Bard), their top lefty reliever just returned (Breslow), and their top long-man/6th starter is still shaking off a preseason injury (Morales), the Red Sox bullpen has managed to tread water so far. They're 18th in the majors in relief ERA, although they do have 6 blown saves so far (tied for 5th most in baseball). Their top three relievers (Uehara, Tazawa, and Breslow) still compare well to most other teams, but it'll be tough to avoid overusing them when the back end of the bullpen is somewhat unreliable.
A blowout tonight would be ideal.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 7, 2013 9:05:49 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why Jose De La Torre isn't part of the discussion? He was lights out during the WBC and he's been doing the same in Pawtucket.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 7, 2013 9:08:04 GMT -5
Oh stop. You can't judge a manager by his team's record anymore than you can judge a player by their team's record. They're a small piece of a much larger whole. Then you can judge them (managers) by what? Random opinion on internet boards? I just think Farrell gets more criticism than he deserves. He's team is winning after all, it's not like his decisions are costing us much.
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Post by James Dunne on May 7, 2013 9:17:28 GMT -5
With De La Torre, I worry about his control. After dialing back the walks a great deal in '12, he's back up to 5.5 per nine this year. As a short term solution they could do worse, and I think he's probably closer than Martin (though I haven't seen Martin this year). If they need someone quickly, I'd prefer Ryan Rowland-Smith. He's pitched quite well, can throw multiple innings, and as a short term option he seems pretty likely to clear waivers if they need to DFA him for 40-man space.
Martin is a 26-year-old dominating Double-A. Initial reports are promising on him, but it's 19 innings. Let's get him some Triple-A work before using a 40-man spot on him. This is the same talking last year that wanted Olmsted put on the active roster. Olmsted is really struggling against Triple-A competition, and is using up a spot on the Brewers roster. Like I mentioned in the previous paragraph, I haven't actually seen Martin yet this year, so take my opinion for what it's worth - the scouting reports on him have been much more consistently strong than they seemed to be on Olmsted last year, so the direct comparison might not be fair. If they had a little bit more 40-man flexibility I might be more open to the idea.
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Post by widewordofsport on May 7, 2013 9:59:05 GMT -5
I like the Rowland-Smith idea. He may have an out clause? I could see him being a short-term option and then jettisoning him. The Sox do still have the Hassan 60 day move to work with, right?
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