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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 31, 2024 15:13:27 GMT -5
Astros DFA'ed Rafael Montero, who they signed to a 3-year/$34 million contract prior to the 2023 season.
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Post by cdj on Jul 31, 2024 15:49:35 GMT -5
Astros DFA'ed Rafael Montero, who they signed to a 3-year/$34 million contract prior to the 2023 season. Completely stopped missing bats
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Post by orion09 on Jul 31, 2024 16:37:19 GMT -5
Astros DFA'ed Rafael Montero, who they signed to a 3-year/$34 million contract prior to the 2023 season. That contract was signed directly by Jim Crane when he was moonlighting as GM after firing James Click.
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Post by geostorm on Jul 31, 2024 19:12:13 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 1, 2024 5:52:13 GMT -5
O's Jordan Westburg, fractured hand. Hit by pitch.
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Post by bishop on Aug 1, 2024 14:40:06 GMT -5
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 1, 2024 16:48:51 GMT -5
Mike Trout out for the year with a torn meniscus.
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Post by orion09 on Aug 1, 2024 18:42:22 GMT -5
Mike Trout out for the year with a torn meniscus. Brutal. The poor guy just can’t stay healthy.
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 1, 2024 20:13:04 GMT -5
So I get an alert on my phone today from Bleacher Report today that "sharp money" was coming in the Guardians for tonight's game. I cant ever remember getting such an alert on any baseball game before other than the playoffs. Seems like somebody sure knew something.
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Post by nomar on Aug 2, 2024 9:44:19 GMT -5
Coby Mayo called up. Orioles trying to use all of the infinity stones
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Post by seamus on Aug 2, 2024 9:51:20 GMT -5
Mike Trout out for the year with a torn meniscus. Brutal. The poor guy just can’t stay healthy. Decent chance that he'll be the best player I ever see, and it bums me out that it may not be apparent from the historical record 40 years from now.
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Post by nomar on Aug 2, 2024 9:53:48 GMT -5
After two grueling and instructive games in high A, the Angels promoted Christian Moore to AA. They rush prospects up like no other
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Post by asm18 on Aug 2, 2024 11:08:59 GMT -5
“The last time Luis Arraez struck out was on July 13. He has not swung and missed in his last 22 plate appearances and has not struck out in his last 48 plate appearances.”- Inside Edge MLB
How is this possible in 2024 with dudes throwing 100 and with pitches that bend like CGI
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 2, 2024 11:44:51 GMT -5
“The last time Luis Arraez struck out was on July 13. He has not swung and missed in his last 22 plate appearances and has not struck out in his last 48 plate appearances.”- Inside Edge MLB How is this possible in 2024 with dudes throwing 100 and with pitches that bend like CGI He's this generation's Rod Carew. Hes up there with Carew, Boggs, Gwynn, and Ichiro, just not quite as up there but in the neighborhood. I'd say Altuve would be a neighbor, too. These guys have the best hit tools of their generations.
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Post by nomar on Aug 2, 2024 12:06:12 GMT -5
“The last time Luis Arraez struck out was on July 13. He has not swung and missed in his last 22 plate appearances and has not struck out in his last 48 plate appearances.”- Inside Edge MLB How is this possible in 2024 with dudes throwing 100 and with pitches that bend like CGI He's this generation's Rod Carew. Hes up there with Carew, Boggs, Gwynn, and Ichiro, just not quite as up there but in the neighborhood. I'd say Altuve would be a neighbor, too. These guys have the best hit tools of their generations. Except Arraez walks 30% less and is a worse defender
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Post by incandenza on Aug 2, 2024 12:42:12 GMT -5
What is a hit tool, anyway?
The only way Arraez is in the same neighborhood as Carew, Boggs, or Gwynn is if "hit tool" just means something like bat-to-ball skills.
But the way I've always understood "hit tool" is that it includes stuff like selectivity, quality of contact, on-base ability, etc. By that definition Arraez is clearly below those other guys. Career OBP and wRC+"
Arraez: .372, 121 Carew: .393, 132 Boggs: .415, 132 Gwynn: .388, 132
Hey, look at that - nice wRC+ symmetry between those three. But Arraez is a clear notch below them, and this comparison is generous to him because it includes the other guys' decline phases but not Arraez'.
On the other hand:
Ichiro: .355, 104
This might actually be the best comparison, in that Arraez and Ichiro *are* both amazing in terms of their ability to put the ball in play and get hits, but that's about all they do as hitters. (And the comparison ends there - Ichiro had enough baserunning and defensive value to compile nearly 60 WAR; Arraez will do well to hit 20.)
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 2, 2024 13:10:19 GMT -5
He's this generation's Rod Carew. Hes up there with Carew, Boggs, Gwynn, and Ichiro, just not quite as up there but in the neighborhood. I'd say Altuve would be a neighbor, too. These guys have the best hit tools of their generations. Except Arraez walks 30% less and is a worse defender I'm not talking about their defense, their power or even their plate selectivity. That's all kind of irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Boggs walked a lot more than the guys I mentioned but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about bat to ball skills to consistently hit pretty well above .300 when everybody else is well below that - the pure hit tool. Arraez is doing his things when the league batting average is barely .240.
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Post by nomar on Aug 2, 2024 13:28:04 GMT -5
Except Arraez walks 30% less and is a worse defender I'm not talking about their defense, their power or even their plate selectivity. That's all kind of irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Boggs walked a lot more than the guys I mentioned but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about bat to ball skills to consistently hit pretty well above .300 when everybody else is well below that - the pure hit tool. Arraez is doing his things when the league batting average is barely .240. Yeah I hear you. His hit tool is crazy. I just wish he was even average anywhere else.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 2, 2024 14:19:46 GMT -5
Ichiro’s career wRC+ was weighed down in part by playing below-average ball from ages 37-44 - which is almost a testament to how talented he was that he could still be a Major Leaguer when most dudes have already hung it up. But it does make me wonder if wRC+ can’t fully account for extreme outliers when it comes to contact - because the idea that Ichiro as a career MLB hitter is barely better than 2024 Dom Smith is kind of mind-boggling. Even if homers and strikeouts > litany of singles, Ichiro - Ichiro!!! - grading out as a merely above average MLB hitter feels like some sort of glitch
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Post by incandenza on Aug 2, 2024 14:35:19 GMT -5
Ichiro’s career wRC+ was weighed down in part by playing below-average ball from ages 37-44 - which is almost a testament to how talented he was that he could still be a Major Leaguer when most dudes have already hung it up. But it does make me wonder if wRC+ can’t fully account for extreme outliers when it comes to contact - because the idea that Ichiro as a career MLB hitter is barely better than 2024 Dom Smith is kind of mind-boggling. Even if homers and strikeouts > litany of singles, Ichiro - Ichiro!!! - grading out as a merely above average MLB hitter feels like some sort of glitch I definitely agree that "career 104 wRC+" conceals more than it reveals about what kind of hitter Ichiro was. Part of it is the inclusion of those decline years like you say. But:
Age 27-36: 115 wRC+, .331/.376/.430, 10 straight 200+ hit seasons
Even that wRC+ feels low for such an incredible run, right? A big part of it - and I think the sort of thing redsoxchamps is getting at - is that he just had an incredible talent for making contact with the baseball and getting hits. So we think of him as a superlative player in that sense; but 115 is not a superlative wRC+ because it incorporates stuff he was bad at, like hitting for power and drawing walks.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 2, 2024 16:21:10 GMT -5
Ichiro’s career wRC+ was weighed down in part by playing below-average ball from ages 37-44 - which is almost a testament to how talented he was that he could still be a Major Leaguer when most dudes have already hung it up. But it does make me wonder if wRC+ can’t fully account for extreme outliers when it comes to contact - because the idea that Ichiro as a career MLB hitter is barely better than 2024 Dom Smith is kind of mind-boggling. Even if homers and strikeouts > litany of singles, Ichiro - Ichiro!!! - grading out as a merely above average MLB hitter feels like some sort of glitch I definitely agree that "career 104 wRC+" conceals more than it reveals about what kind of hitter Ichiro was. Part of it is the inclusion of those decline years like you say. But:
Age 27-36: 115 wRC+, .331/.376/.430, 10 straight 200+ hit seasons Even that wRC+ feels low for such an incredible run, right? A big part of it - and I think the sort of thing redsoxchamps is getting at - is that he just had an incredible talent for making contact with the baseball and getting hits. So we think of him as a superlative player in that sense; but 115 is not a superlative wRC+ because it incorporates stuff he was bad at, like hitting for power and drawing walks.
Yup, you're right. That's what I was getting at - old fashioned batting average, one who could constantly keep batting averages of .310 plus consistently. I'm not talking total offense. A guy like Ichiro had little power, but man he could hit. He didnt take walks, but he could turn singles into doubles with his speed. He also had a great arm and played an excellent RF so he did have more than the hit tool, but yeah that was an overwhelming majority of his value. That guy had 262 hits in 2004. Think he batted .372. I think he won the ROY and MVP in 2001 batting .350. Gwynn wasnt known for defense. His speed dissipated as he aged but his power increased as he got older and he actually became a better hitter in his 30s. .338 lifetime. Amazing. I always said if you could combine Boggs' 20s and Gwynn's 30s, you have a higher batting average than Ted William's I think. Boggs was phenomenal. Hed bat .350 plus consistently, smash 200 hits AND walk 100 times. He was ALWAYS on base. He was never quite the same hitter after 1988. Carew was an amazing hitter. Dont think he was great at 2b, but eventually went to 1b where he didnt have the power of a hitter playing the position, kind of like Pete Rose, but Carew could hit .330 and above consistently. Didnt miss .400 by much in 1977 when he batted .388. The thing is batting average and hit tool has been marginalized and I understand why, that slugging and OBP are more important, etc. But I do miss guys that can truly hit. Especially when there's a runner on 3rd and 2 outs and there's a 3 true out one guy up who might walk but is so less likely to get that damn single that's needed to score the run, so at best they go deep, or they walk and the next guy whiffs instead, or the batter simply whiffs. That .010 to .020 difference in league BA doesnt seem like a lot but it just makes the offense feel so different. So yeah, Arraez has his issues, but I do love that hit tool, and if I had a runner in scoring position I'd like him up because to me hed be more likely to make contact and more likely to hit a needed single that can score a needed run.
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Post by kwodes on Aug 2, 2024 16:21:44 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 2, 2024 21:39:40 GMT -5
Good grief. The white sox are an affront to the game of baseball
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 2, 2024 22:09:56 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 3, 2024 9:25:16 GMT -5
Doug Creek passed away at 55 from pancreatic cancer. Thats a name I hadn’t heard in awhile- those early 2000s devil rays were something else. Apparently became an angler after his career
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