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Post by jdb on Aug 3, 2024 10:14:09 GMT -5
I don’t know how I’d feel about $288M 8 yrs for Burnes. I think we go after a top FA starter(Fried,Snell also) but I don’t know about $36M.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 3, 2024 10:56:28 GMT -5
Apropos nothing, Francisco Lindor is in his age 30 season and is already over 50 WAR, and I feel like he's done it about as quietly as you can.
He's third in the majors in WAR since he arrived in the league in 2015 after Betts and Trout.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 3, 2024 11:11:44 GMT -5
I don’t know how I’d feel about $288M 8 yrs for Burnes. I think we go after a top FA starter(Fried,Snell also) but I don’t know about $36M. 36M is probably about the going rate for that type of SP. Then again how many teams are going to have that type of flexibility? I'd imagine the yankees and dodgers don't. Feels like Mets and Sox do but nobody else jumps out immediately. I'm sure I'm forgetting a team or two though.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Aug 3, 2024 13:18:09 GMT -5
Ohtani has a real shot at the 40/40 club.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 3, 2024 14:21:28 GMT -5
I don’t know how I’d feel about $288M 8 yrs for Burnes. I think we go after a top FA starter(Fried,Snell also) but I don’t know about $36M. 36M is probably about the going rate for that type of SP. Then again how many teams are going to have that type of flexibility? I'd imagine the yankees and dodgers don't. Feels like Mets and Sox do but nobody else jumps out immediately. I'm sure I'm forgetting a team or two though. The Orioles have new ownership. They could spend. As far as the Sox go, they're going to have to spend their money on some top notch free agent. They're awash in talented young cheap players. They actually have two waves. They got the Big 3 and Campbell on the way. Then eventually Montgomery, Arias, Cespedes, Bleis, and the Garcia brothers are the next wave afterwards. So pitching seems to be the one thing that they should spend their money on, top notch pitching and if so, it'll cost 300 million or so. Just the nature of the beast. I think theyll have the offense all around the diamond and unless there's a bug RH bat they need, like Manny level, then they should focus on spending the money there as they try to turn Sandlin, Priester, and maybe others into young cheap strong pitching they can incorporate onto the staff. The Sox won't have to build the core of their time around free agency but they certainly can use their financial advantage. And if not Burnes, then who? I mean Sasaki would be great, but there's not many beyond Burnes that I'd want to see them get.
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 3, 2024 14:25:10 GMT -5
36M is probably about the going rate for that type of SP. Then again how many teams are going to have that type of flexibility? I'd imagine the yankees and dodgers don't. Feels like Mets and Sox do but nobody else jumps out immediately. I'm sure I'm forgetting a team or two though. The Orioles have new ownership. They could spend. As far as the Sox go, they're going to have to spend their money on some top notch free agent. They're awash in talented young cheap players. They actually have two waves. They got the Big 3 and Campbell on the way. Then eventually Montgomery, Arias, Cespedes, Bleis, and the Garcia brothers are the next wave afterwards. So pitching seems to be the one thing that they should spend their money on, top notch pitching and if so, it'll cost 300 million or so. Just the nature of the beast. I think theyll have the offense all around the diamond and unless there's a bug RH bat they need, like Manny level, then they should focus on spending the money there as they try to turn Sandlin, Priester, and maybe others into young cheap strong pitching they can incorporate onto the staff. The Sox won't have to build the core of their time around free agency but they certainly can use their financial advantage. And if not Burnes, then who? I mean Sasaki would be great, but there's not many beyond Burnes that I'd want to see them get. I'd take fried but also as I've been pointing out sasaki if he's posted this year can't sign a big deal due to the IFA free agent rules. So I don't really count him.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 3, 2024 14:25:30 GMT -5
I don’t know how I’d feel about $288M 8 yrs for Burnes. I think we go after a top FA starter(Fried,Snell also) but I don’t know about $36M. This article says that Pete Alonso, whom ZiPS projected for 2.2 WAR in 2025 before a slightly disappointing season to date, is looking for $200 million. (He turned down a $150 million extension offer from the Mets last season.) It will shock you to learn that his agent is Scott Boras.
I predict he gets like 3/54. Though I wouldn't be surprised by a massive overpay from Cohen.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2024 16:35:04 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2024 16:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 4, 2024 16:49:07 GMT -5
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Aug 4, 2024 16:53:15 GMT -5
What are their fangraphs playoffs odds, its a shame they didnt add at the deadline, with the right additions they could have had two maybe three more wins.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 4, 2024 18:32:54 GMT -5
All those stats and they messed up the simplest one of them all. 27-87 is not 50 games under .500. It's 60 games under .500!
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2024 0:11:23 GMT -5
It's cool that the White Sox' quest for unwanted immortality is spread out to keep us following it for three more days, if it comes to that.
Now: tied for 2nd worst.
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Next loss: 2nd worst, alone
Next: tied for worst ever
Next: worst ever
Last one is home against the Cubs. If they win the last game with the A's, do fans meet them at the airport?
They lost game 16 by a run. Since then, 7, 8, 4, 6, 4. That's easily the worst stretch yet. In losses 3 to 6 they lost by 4, 5, 6, 5. In fact, they had only 2 losses of 4 or more runs outside of these two streaks (an 8 and a 10).
Wow. The '61 Phillies had a single bad steak of losses by 4 or more runs, 5, 6, 4, 9, 7 and that was in losses 13 to 17. It was followed by 1, 4, 1, 3, 1, 3 , and then the win.
When the '88 O's lost their first 21, they had a single such streak starting with loss 6, of 5, 5, and 6 runs ... and the last 5 before the win were 1, 2, 2, 1, 2.
The Pale Hose seems to have had a lot less bad luck to get to this point. If they follow the same trajectory as their anti-rivals (a big if, of course), we're taking 26 or 27 straight.
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Post by bishop on Aug 6, 2024 7:38:18 GMT -5
My favorite White Sox stat is if you remove this 21 game losing streak and the 14 game one earlier in the season they'd still have the worst winning percentage in baseball. On pace for 38-124 right now!
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 6, 2024 9:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by lronhoyabembe on Aug 6, 2024 9:16:49 GMT -5
My favorite White Sox stat is if you remove this 21 game losing streak and the 14 game one earlier in the season they'd still have the worst winning percentage in baseball. On pace for 38-124 right now! Win a third, lose a third, lose two more thirds...
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 6, 2024 9:20:04 GMT -5
What I unironically like about this White Sox team is how organically they suck. This isn't a tanking situation, just a poorly built team where nearly everything (save Crochet and Fedde) went wrong. Obviously they sold a ton at the deadline and went into full rebuild mode, but their offseason wasn't a 2013 Astros "wow we're terrible, let's try to lose as much as possible." They weren't gaming anything, they found their way to being historically bad in a totally honest way.
Anyway, they can thank those Astros teams and the late-10's Orioles for the implementation of a lottery that causes them to miss out on Ethan Holliday.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 6, 2024 10:21:20 GMT -5
The full list is behind a paywall, but looks like Perales' fastball was maybe rating as the best pitch in the minors
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 6, 2024 10:39:31 GMT -5
Still recovering from that brutal Americans season...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2024 11:39:05 GMT -5
I think the White Sox will finally win today and then they will resume their losing ways on Wednesday.
I hope they dont do what the 03 Tigers did. They had the 62 Mets modern day record of 120 losses squarely in their sights. (Nobody is ever going to lose 134 games like the 1899 Cleveland Spiders did).
The Tigers were 40-119 going into the last series of the year and swept it to blow the modern loss record and wound up 43-119. 3 years later, Dave Dombrowski had them in the World Series.
The ChiSox better do this right. Lose at least 121 games. Let's see if they can win fewer than 40 games. Maybe their winning percentage can be lower than the already low league batting average, lol.
Lower than .250. Yeesh.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 6, 2024 12:14:09 GMT -5
Looks like dude is gonna make it after everything
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Post by bcsox on Aug 6, 2024 12:19:50 GMT -5
The local footnote to the White Sox historically inept season is that we were very close to losing 3/4 to them.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2024 12:24:57 GMT -5
I think the White Sox will finally win today and then they will resume their losing ways on Wednesday. I hope they dont do what the 03 Tigers did. They had the 62 Mets modern day record of 120 losses squarely in their sights. (Nobody is ever going to lose 134 games like the 1899 Cleveland Spiders did). The Tigers were 40-119 going into the last series of the year and swept it to blow the modern loss record and wound up 43-119. 3 years later, Dave Dombrowski had them in the World Series. The ChiSox better do this right. Lose at least 121 games. Let's see if they can win fewer than 40 games. Maybe their winning percentage can be lower than the already low league batting average, lol. Lower than .250. Yeesh. As of last night, they are on a pace to be the worst team in modern history. No one alive remembers the 2016 Philadelphia Athletic and their .2352 win percentage. The Other Sox are on a pace for .2346. That's 38 -124. The A's were 36 - 117.
The draft has made it much harder to be terrible. There have been 23 teams in modern history with a .300 or less percentage, and only 3 are in the draft era: the 2003 Tigers, 43 - 119 (.265); 2018 O's, 47 - 115 (.290); and the 2019 Tigers, 47 - 114 (.291).
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Post by wvusox on Aug 6, 2024 12:27:30 GMT -5
The local footnote to the White Sox historically inept season is that we were very close to losing 3/4 to them. We still have (3) games left with them at Fenway from 9/6 to 9/8
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2024 13:09:53 GMT -5
The local footnote to the White Sox historically inept season is that we were very close to losing 3/4 to them. The Wrong Sox have had two modes. They started off 6 - 26, .188. From May 4 to July 5 they were 20 - 38, .344. Since then, 1 - 25, .038.
The Royals and Twins had all their games against the .119 version and each went 12-1. That's the only reason they're ahead of us.
The Sox went 2-2 and the Guardians 5 - 5 against the .334 version; each has 3 games left.
The O's went 4 -0 vs. the better, the Yankees 3 -0, and the Astros 2 - 1 ; they all have 3 games each left.
The Mariners are done: 3 - 1 vs. the better, 3 - 0 vs. the awful.
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